nikko18 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 um hello' date=' i didnt say i wouldnt defend myself-or serve in the military if there was a draft-what i said was that i wouldnt shoot anybody, as in, gimme a job doing something useful, something that suits my talents, something that takes advantage of my brain and skills.............. which [b']isnt[/b] to say that footsoldiers dont have thoose skiller something like...... being a ninja assasin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundergod Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 No other country on the planet matches what we have here. Really? And what is that exactly? (those are 2 questions up there) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I bet the liberals would beat the conservatives in a poker game. Liberals are just smarter. :D and they don't pay their taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 Really? And what is that exactly? (those are 2 questions up there) Don't wanna get into a pissing match with you TG. Suffice it to say this nation was created with a sure cause as its focus. The American Experiment has never succeeded before in any other similar attempts. Looks like its failure will be hurried along with the direction the Socialists here are pushing it. No other citizens anywhere on Earth have the personal freedoms we enjoy, the middle class we have, or the opportunities for personal prosperity. The American dream is within reach of ANYBODY here. We've liberated hundreds of millions of people while asking only enough land to bury our dead. (See France and our massive graveyards from two World Wars.) When wars are complete we do our best to go home - leaving as small a force as possible to secure our win. Don't want us in YOUR country? Don't fxck with us - very simple. We led the world to the industrial age, the aviation age, the jet age, the computer age, the space age, information age.... We've fed people around the world for over 100 years, and shown the rest of the world ways to feed themselves. People from around the globe have risked their all to get here since the 16th century. Name another country that can match that. Not bragging, simply stating facts. Of course, none of this is good enough for Socialists in this country or others. It's time the USA got what's coming to it, eh? THIS is why I'm such an irritating ***-hole to people who want us to "pay" some cost for our "mistakes" around the world. I say we pack our sh!t and take home with us everything we brought to the party. Let the Socialists destroy each other until they sink to the depths of corrupt Communism and then cannibalism. I apologize to no man for my statements here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Nahum Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 No other citizens anywhere on Earth have the personal freedoms we enjoy' date=' the middle class we have, or the opportunities for personal prosperity.[/quote'] No other citizens in Western Europe? Japan? Canada? Australia? New Zealand? We've liberated hundreds of millions of people while asking only enough land to bury our dead. (See France and our massive graveyards from two World Wars.)......Name another country that can match that. Not bragging' date=' simply stating facts.[/quote'] I have unqualified respect and gratitude for the heroic efforts of American and other allied servicemen who fought the Axis on the Western Front and in the Pacific in WWII and I certainly do not hold a brief for the totalitarian former Soviet regime nor the present one. In the interests of having a more balanced perspective however, you might find it interesting to read some of the books that are now being published about the Eastern Front in WWII as Soviet documents of the period are declassified. A few were reviewed in Atlantic Monthly about a year ago. The statistics cause one to draw breath. Where battles in the West were fought on fronts of 10s of kilometres with 15 divisions on each side, in the East they were fought on fronts of hundreds of kilometres with more than 100 divisions on each side. Over 80% of German casualties were inflicted in the East and the Soviet Union bore a correspondingly terrible human cost - in the millions. RN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 I've been all over the UK, lived in Okinawa for three years. My stepmom is from Japan, my little sister lived there, and Germany for 4 years too. In the power biz, the oil biz (my family's been in THAT since WW II) and chemical plants and refining I've met and worked closely with people from all over the world. My former employer had facilities in Singapore, Maylasia, Saudi Arabia, Canada, and all over Europe. Being in a heavily military family, I've been an apt pupil of the world since my first breath. Dated women who were from Iran, Spain, Puerto Rico, Cuba, New Guinea - even an Eskimo. Yes, I can call startling contrasts up between many countries and the USA - especially what passes for Middle Class. Australia lost ALL credibility in my book when the last Great Frontier on earth was robbed of its most basic Essential Liberty. When you guys let your gov't butt-fxck you out of legal gun ownership, all my desire to live in Oz vanished. By default, my last stand will be in the USA. Nobody else grants me what I have here. Not my salary, not my taxes, not my vehicles I own, my vast deserts, mountains and prairies to explore. Not the home I own, not the job opportunities I've had, not the hobbies. Try getting a pilot's license in any other nation on a blue collar wage. Try owning and shooting dozens of weapons any time I feel like it. Try owning a gun store in any other nation. I take no issue with any citizen proud of their country, that's how it should be. But when I hear the USA get pounded relentlessly when the rest of the world benefits from us, even immitates us in dozens of ways, I gotta speak up. Name a country that has attracted as many immigrants as the USA, both thru homesteading and illegal border crossing. Why would that be? you might find it interesting to read some of the books that are now being published about the Eastern Front in WWII as Soviet documents of the period are declassified. You're assuming I know nothing of the subject? Think this is the first I heard of it? My Dad and several uncles were stationed in Germany during the height of the Cold War. It still is studied by us all to this day. Over 80% of German casualties were inflicted in the East and the Soviet Union bore a correspondingly terrible human cost - in the millions. Wrap your mind around Stalingrad first. When you think you fully grasp the horrors of that single battle, then cast your net a little wider. My Dad told me in the early seventies that he fully understood what motivated the Soviets. After the pounding those people had taken from the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, all the Lenin/Trotsky/etc. stuff that followed, WW II was just another chapter in their book. They never saw the peace time between the Great Wars. By the time nuclear weapons were created, the Soviets decided they would NEVER AGAIN be suffering such despair. If I was a Soviet in the 1950's I would have felt the same way. One major difference - the USA never sought to conquer anybody, much less subjugate them. I find those barking loudest in political discussions these days have no clue about ANY of this, certainly not an understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bscott Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Careful now boys!!! You know this is all fun except when someone loses an eye!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myspace.com/jessenoah Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 why does this even exist LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homz Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Just a minor point. If there were such a volunteer service as you describe it would be under the direction of the Defense Dept. and thus subject the lawful orders of the Commander-in-Chief. You would be taking orders from your new President Obama. Are you prepared to do that? If not then this whole exercise is pointless. Perhaps it is a given that your all prepared to follow the lawful orders of the Obama, but you didn't answer the question that I noticed. So again. Are you willing to do so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstMeasure Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 The authority of the Attorney General to administer the oath of allegiance shall be delegated to Immigration Judges and to the following officers of the Service: The Commissioner; district directors; deputy district directors; officers-in-charge; assistant officers-in-charge; or persons acting in behalf of such officers due to their absence or because their positions are vacant. In exceptional cases where the district director or officer-in-charge determines that it is appropriate for employees of a different rank to conduct ceremonies, the district director or officer-in-charge may make a request through the Commissioner to the Assistant Commissioner, Adjudications, for permission to delegate such authority. The request shall furnish the reasons for seeking exemption from the requirements of this paragraph. The Commissioner may delegate such authority to such other officers of the Service or the Department of Justice as he or she may deem appropriate. I'll not take an oath from anyone who doesn't fit the above description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 Perhaps it is a given that your all prepared to follow the lawful orders of the Obama' date=' but you didn't answer the question that I noticed. So again. Are you willing to do so?[/quote'] This is rich! YOU want somebody to answer a question? That's like you wanting to borrow a dollar when everybody here has been giving you a place to live and food to eat... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'll not take an oath from anyone who doesn't fit the above description. Ah' date=' an "individualist" and non-conformist, eh? :-) Doing it 'your way' is more important than actually doing anything at all? Unless YOU deem something worth doing, you'll not participate - or you'll even passively undermine the effort? This is the mindset I spoke of when I created the thread. People struggle by the millions to enter this nation and can't wait for the day they can swear that oath of citizenship. What fools they are, each and every one, when all they hafta do is ride the gravy train. Nobody really expects anything of them once they're legal, from that point forward they can [i']choose[/i] to be dead weight. Is this more your ideal? Unless you're drafted, you ain't doing sh!t, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homz Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 This is rich! YOU want somebody to answer a question? That's like you wanting to borrow a dollar when everybody here has been giving you a place to live and food to eat... :-) I will assume you are not willing to follow the lawful orders of President Obama. This being the case I think I'd rather be on the good guys side. If uncle Sam wants me he can just call me back. He has my number from when I was with him once before. You should probably write a new Oath that makes it clear that you are not prepared to follow Oboma's lawful orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Nahum Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Australia lost ALL credibility in my book when the last Great Frontier on earth was robbed of its most basic Essential Liberty.When you guys let your gov't butt-fxck you out of legal gun ownership' date=' all my desire to live in Oz vanished.[/quote'] Unlike the US Constitution, the Australian Constitution is silent on gun ownership and gun laws are a state matter. Following the murder of 35 people by Martin Bryant at a tourist spot in Tasmania in 1996, "....Australian State and Territory governments placed tight restrictions on semi-automatic center-fire rifles, high-capacity repeating shotguns and high-capacity rifle magazines. In addition to this, heavy limitations were also put into place on low-capacity repeating shotguns and rim-fire semi-automatic rifles. The Tasmanian state government attempted to ignore this directive but was threatened with a number of penalties from the federal government. Though this resulted in stirring controversy, most Government opposition to the new laws was silenced by media opinion and mounting public opinion in the wake of the shootings...." From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant Very few Australians from either side of the political spectrum saw themselves as being robbed of their "most basic essential liberty" by these measures. RN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 I will assume There's your first mistake. you are not willing to follow the lawful orders of President Obama. Lawful orders are just that. Obummer has nothing to do with the reason I posted this thread - beyond MY belief that he wouldn't take one either. POTUS oath is very short and simple' date=' leaves room for Ivy League lawyers to interpret it. Obummer could never pass the background check required to work in my facility due to his connections with terrorism. Shady business and finance deals would finish him off. I'm serious. This being the case I think I'd rather be on the good guys side. Good guys? Hah!!! Homz, who are the "good guys" in your opinion? Oh, I forgot - you don't answer questions.... :-) If uncle Sam wants me he can just call me back. I think that's just dandy. Would you bomb civilians and air-raid villages for Obama? He has my number from when I was with him once before. Lovely.... Maybe they'll put you in charge of licking his boots. You should probably write a new Oath that makes it clear that you are not prepared to follow Oboma's lawful orders. Makes what clear? See Homz, that's how smart you are. By golly, you're WAY ahead of me again! By the way, I wrote NONE of the oaths I posted. I'd love to take the credit, but I can't. It's the whole honesty/integrity thing ya know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 Very few Australians from either side of the political spectrum saw themselves as being robbed of their "most basic essential liberty" by these measures. Good to see you're not bothered by it. Australians must be a very compliant flock of sheep, somehow I expected more. If your government knows best, I suppose it's for your own good and all..... Like I said, I lost all desire to live down there, how silly of me to think I could live miles from nowhere and take care of myself and my property without worrying about some distant bureaucrat worrying I might hurt myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstMeasure Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Ah' date=' an "individualist" and non-conformist, eh? :-) Doing it 'your way' is more important than actually doing anything at all? Unless YOU deem something worth doing, you'll not participate - or you'll even passively undermine the effort? This is the mindset I spoke of when I created the thread. People struggle by the millions to enter this nation and can't wait for the day they can swear that oath of citizenship. What fools they are, each and every one, when all they hafta do is ride the gravy train. Nobody really expects anything of them once they're legal, from that point forward they can [i']choose[/i] to be dead weight. Is this more your ideal? Unless you're drafted, you ain't doing sh!t, right? Taking such an oath from you wouldn't be binding and I find you asking me or any other American to take an Oath at you or any other Citizens request is Arogant and Insulting. Who the Hell do you think you are asking me to Pledge anything to anyone. The only qualified people to administer the oath you so Arogantly want us to take are the Officials refered to in my previous Post. You are way out of line asking anyone for their allegiance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 Taking such an oath from you wouldn't be binding and I find you asking me or any other American to take an Oath at you or any other Citizens request is Arogant and Insulting. Get mad. Tell me a thing or two. Line me out Big Man. Now' date=' tell me what this country means to YOU. Don't jump my ***, insult me and call ME names. Participation in this thread is voluntary, so participate or STFU. Who the Hell do you think you are asking me to Pledge anything to anyone. Number One - Back the fxck up. Number Two - I didn't ask YOU to pledge anything. Number Three - Being from California, I can EASILY presume you have a way of thinking vastly different than other states. Number Four - I was BORN in California, I live right next door, and all YOUR people are fleeing HERE to escape THERE. Number Five - My question (had you bothered to READ it) was wondering if anybody cared enough to consider it. The only qualified people to administer the oath you so Arogantly want us to take are the Officials refered to in my previous Post. Does that matter? Would you do ANYTHING for the greater good of this nation if it meant you might need a fresh manicure afterwards? With the Looney Toon Left running rampant in Kalifornia - where Ahnold is considered 'conservative' - what the fxck do YOU know about what it takes to ensure the survival of a normal society and the attendant personal liberties? I KNOW what your state allows its citizens to do - breathe and pay taxes. That's it. As a business owner in Arizona' date=' I got all kinds of bullsh!t from the People's Republic of Kalifornia telling me how I would conduct business in THEIR state. I sent it ALL back with a smoking letter telling them to go fxck themselves like Patrick Leahy and added that I would like to be removed from their mailing list. Worked like a charm.... You are way out of line asking anyone for their allegiance. Get mad. Okay, that was easy.... Now, do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstMeasure Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Look NeoCon, when Marine Recruiter asked me "What does it mean to you to live in this country?" I answered him for an hour, because I felt he deserved to hear how I loved this country, why and when I'd die for it. When an Armchair Conservative Pundit askes me to Take an Oath of Citizenship, I don't, because you don't deserve to know my feelings on my country. What would you do with my answer? You've already formed your opinion about me based on where I live (BTW, Californians are moving to AZ for cheap property, not running from here), You're sure everyone in California gets a manicure and lives in Hollywood. You think every tatooed person with Dark skin is a Gang Memeber. You're sure we live under oppresion because Pete Wilson outlawed Big Clips. You forget about the Redwoods, you forget tha California is 163,707 square miles and only a shirt Patch of that is "Hollywood". We have some of the Best Deer and Turkey Hunting in the Country, and it's way easier to get a hunting license here than in the "Who's You're Friend" system Arizona has, and while you have Dog racing (which I had a blast doing with my Grampa that used to live out there), it's nothing on the Horse racing we have out here. Oh, and hows that Arizona Wine Country? World Class yet? Arizona has Skiing I here, too. I'm sure it blows Lake Tahoe away. Honestly, if I were you, I'd move to Nevada. Arizona's A nice place to live, but I wouldn't want to live there. And you have a business in Arizona, why don't you explane the Sign Ordinences all over that Free Land of yours. Arizona is a nice state and the Superstition Mountains are a very nice place to hike, but it's no California. Why did you leave again? BTW, I didn't Jump your ***, I told you off. Big difference. And Telling you off for your arrogance was my Civic Duty, I love my Country and I don't like it when someone anoints themselves "Most Patriotic" and feels they have the right to question the patriotism of others. And then pass judgment on Who is and Who isn't worthy of being a True American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homz Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Just for the record Neo, when I swore my oath it was while under a president that I couldn't stand. Yet I still swore the oath to the country and to follow the orders of a president who's politics I still think nearly ruined this country. So while your pondering how much more of a real man you are then us bleeding heart liberals consider how many people did actually sware an oath and one that required us to muster on the red line at 4am. You are not qualified to judge anyone on the level of their commitment to country, although I admit it amuses me to see you trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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