peter J Posted August 28, 2023 Author Share Posted August 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Dave F said: just my opinion - Unless it's the blurriness of the pictures, it looks fake. The doves should show more details. They look more like turtles. Again, maybe it's the quality of the pictures. Here's some pics of mine showing details. That first fret, 15th and 17th is really telling. two years ago,i sent the picture to the gibson,they said this is a indeed 2014 doves in fight model . now my problem is the back pattern,it is different with others,i upload a video in the facebook, how is the sound sounds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanvillRob Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 12 hours ago, Dave F said: just my opinion - Unless it's the blurriness of the pictures, it looks fake. The doves should show more details. They look more like turtles. Again, maybe it's the quality of the pictures. Here's some pics of mine showing details. That first fret, 15th and 17th is really telling. Stunning! Dave, I'd say Compared to Peter J's photos, Matthew Brady's place in history is safe! Ren's initials are still on your pickguard......so I don't think Peter's question is about that. So you have a natural top and red stained maple back & sides.... Peter has an all black DIF.... I have a natural top and natural maple back & sides....guess it's all in our personal preference! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 59 minutes ago, DanvillRob said: Stunning! Dave, I'd say Compared to Peter J's photos, Matthew Brady's place in history is safe! Ren's initials are still on your pickguard......so I don't think Peter's question is about that. So you have a natural top and red stained maple back & sides.... Peter has an all black DIF.... I have a natural top and natural maple back & sides....guess it's all in our personal preference! So, what's the final judgement - Real or Memorex? Is peter J's a faker ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanvillRob Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, fortyearspickn said: So, what's the final judgement - Real or Memorex? Is peter J's a faker ? Looks legit to me....but the photos suck, so hard to tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanvillRob Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Let me try these photos.... were sent to me before I bought the guitar from Guitar Center, (many years ago): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 6 hours ago, DanvillRob said: Let me try these photos.... were sent to me before I bought the guitar from Guitar Center, (many years ago): I got mine in a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Here’s a black doves in flight from 2014 for comparison: https://reverb.com/item/61144619-2014-gibson-doves-in-flight The back strip on Peter’s is too blurry to make a judgment alone , but if you look at the doves on the headstock they look similar to the ones Peter’s has. Don Ruffato at Gibson has mentioned that each one of those doves was hand done and so they will not all be exactly the same . JC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter J Posted August 29, 2023 Author Share Posted August 29, 2023 1 hour ago, JuanCarlosVejar said: Here’s a black doves in flight from 2014 for comparison: https://reverb.com/item/61144619-2014-gibson-doves-in-flight The back strip on Peter’s is too blurry to make a judgment alone , but if you look at the doves on the headstock they look similar to the ones Peter’s has. Don Ruffato at Gibson has mentioned that each one of those doves was hand done and so they will not all be exactly the same . JC https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0rXYZu7bJeUpRDECm46nGek4mVjrN1V3RHMSePNKyQTtLVtDjQkiuoZUaHtsgaTG2l&id=61550784387634&mibextid=Nif5oz there are some photos mine,clearly back strip in there.only my problem now is about that.i never saw the same back strip like it. PJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 If Gibson verified it for you, I would accept it as authentic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanvillRob Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 14 hours ago, Dave F said: I got mine in a trade. Dave, Don't know what you traded....but you did good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Maybe it is just a fig newton of my imagination but it appears Gibson buyers today have a tendency to be overly suspicious that what they have acquired is somehow not kosher. The difference between now and then just might be access to too much information. But while Gibsons are not what I would call hand built there is enough hand finishing to result in a bit of quirkiness and yeah, possibly some imperfections. Maybe I am just a bit odd but I find this stuff kind of endearing. Gives the guitars an individuality rather than the flip side of the coin which is a precision cookie cutter instrument. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanvillRob Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 1 minute ago, zombywoof said: Maybe it is just a fig newton of my imagination but it appears Gibson buyers today have a tendency to be overly suspicious that what they have acquired is somehow not kosher. The difference between now and then just might be access to too much information. But while Gibsons are not what I would call hand built there is enough hand finishing to result in a bit of quirkiness and yeah, possibly some imperfections. Maybe I am just a bit odd but I find this stuff kind of endearing. Gives the guitars an individuality rather than the flip side of the coin which is a precision cookie cutter instrument. ZWolf....you're right.... it's the same difference as between a photo and a painting.... small imperfections make paintings 'art'. Since I worked in manufacturing all my career, I recognize how many products are 'production-made', but still have a lot of 'hand-fitting'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingJames78 Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 8 hours ago, JuanCarlosVejar said: Here’s a black doves in flight from 2014 for comparison: https://reverb.com/item/61144619-2014-gibson-doves-in-flight The back strip on Peter’s is too blurry to make a judgment alone , but if you look at the doves on the headstock they look similar to the ones Peter’s has. Don Ruffato at Gibson has mentioned that each one of those doves was hand done and so they will not all be exactly the same . JC awesome guitar but 7 grand? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 23 hours ago, zombywoof said: Maybe it is just a fig newton of my imagination but it appears Gibson buyers today have a tendency to be overly suspicious that what they have acquired is somehow not kosher. The difference between now and then just might be access to too much information. But while Gibsons are not what I would call hand built there is enough hand finishing to result in a bit of quirkiness and yeah, possibly some imperfections. Maybe I am just a bit odd but I find this stuff kind of endearing. Gives the guitars an individuality rather than the flip side of the coin which is a precision cookie cutter instrument. Couldn't agree more ! Glue Drops Be Damned, Full Speed Ahead ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 On 8/27/2023 at 3:45 PM, DanvillRob said: I'd like to see a pic of the guitar just 'cause I like looking at them! That's the Forum spirit 🔥 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBSinTo Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 I'm late to this party, but it seems to me that one of the most important criterion for a MUSICAL INSTRUMENT would be the quality of the sound it produces. And if this particular guitar was not a genuine Gibson, shouldn't that be very apparent just by playing it? RBSinTo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter J Posted September 3, 2023 Author Share Posted September 3, 2023 2 hours ago, RBSinTo said: I'm late to this party, but it seems to me that one of the most important criterion for a MUSICAL INSTRUMENT would be the quality of the sound it produces. And if this particular guitar was not a genuine Gibson, shouldn't that be very apparent just by playing it? RBSinTo https://www.facebook.com/stories/122096974160026146/UzpfSVNDOjY3ODU3OTEwNzE4MDE2Nw==/?view_single=1&source=shared_permalink&mibextid=Nif5oz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, peter J said: https://www.facebook.com/stories/122096974160026146/UzpfSVNDOjY3ODU3OTEwNzE4MDE2Nw==/?view_single=1&source=shared_permalink&mibextid=Nif5oz Peter, I don't do Facebook - what, in general, does this link say ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 On 8/29/2023 at 9:10 AM, DanvillRob said: Dave, Don't know what you traded....but you did good! Jackson Browne A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter J Posted September 4, 2023 Author Share Posted September 4, 2023 11 hours ago, fortyearspickn said: Peter, I don't do Facebook - what, in general, does this link say ? that a video,about this special guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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