Rocky4 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Mac user since 1999. Currently using a Power PC iMac and two Dell Mini 9 hackintoshes. Mac OS works better on the Dells than the XP they shipped with. The iMac is in the basement, I can access its entire iTunes library with the Dell upstairs and play it on my home sound system via Airtunes. Sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichCI Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 ^ Ha! Well it is my industry' date=' so I guess I have an excuse....i don't hate PC's in general though....though i do hate my Lenovo laptop that I have to use at work. Gahhh! As far as mac's go....if you're just internettin n stuff, you don't need to spend that kinda dough....[/quote'] It's my industry too (web designer) but I still prefer a PC. The problem I have with Macs is that it's a pain in the *** to find the advanced features and I am a diehard right-click kind of guy and there ain't no right mouse button on a Mac. My PCs run Adobe CS4 just fine. It used to be if you were a graphics or design person, Mac was the way to go but that point seems to have been completely blurred. In the end, I think it really just boils down to whatever you started with or feel most comfortable using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 ... there ain't no right mouse button on a Mac. Yes there is... all mine have two button mouses and they right click just fine. And on my laptop without a mouse control+click is the same as right click. It isn't really that hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichCI Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 This was a difficult lesson for me to learn back in the days of NT' date=' they (MS) released NT Vr4 SP6 and being a newer Server guy I updated all the production servers at United Health Care (Medicare Provider for CT at the time) and when the back ups were completed all the production servers died........................ I did a full tape restore of my boxes (4 of them) and was up and running the next day; complained to Microsoft and we received the "Its not our software it must be your servers" excuse. Two days later Service pack 6 was removed from Microsoft website/downloads and within 3 days Servicepack 6a was released and it removed or undid everything that Service pack 6 did. Do ya remember that one Rich? [/quote'] Can't say I do but I'm not a hardware pro; I started out in mainframe programming and moved into web design. These days, I don't even really keep that up to date on the latest stuff coming out; I used to be into it but there's not enough time in the work day and the only computer stuff I do at home is surf the web. I learned my lesson when MS first came out with IE4... not that it still wasn't a LOT better than IE3, but it was still a mess compared to Navigator 3. I remember being able to edit the HTML in Outlook Express and drop JavaScript into it; I used to annoy the hell out of my boss by throwing stuff into emails I'd send him like alert('i have h@X0r3d ur computer! p43@r!!!'); No sense of humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichCI Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Yes there is... all mine have two button mouses and they right click just fine. And on my laptop without a mouse control+click is the same as right click. It isn't really that hard. Yeah, I heard that rumor from the Apple propaganda machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Robot Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 This is a good conversation. I am in a real dilimma here. I am trying to build a little music studio. i have an old PC that I am going to have to replace - this will be a dedicated computer - no internet surfing, no internet hook up. So do I stay with the PC and go for Windows 7 or do i make a radical change and go for mac. The problem is Apple are getting just as arrogant. They have reduced the warranty life on their hardware, and they have designed their new version of Logic so that it will ONLY work on an Apple. Their computers are also DOUBLE the price of PC's in Australia. If I add the software, i am looking at $3K. And of course, then i will have to learn a whole new system. But I also know the problems with PCs and Microsofts approach too. They should have had their backsides sued off them when they moved to Office 2007 and the associated compatibility problems with the previous version of Office. They seem to be universally despised, but they just dont care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Yeah' date=' I heard that rumor from the Apple propaganda machine. [/quote'] Just sayin' I've been right-clicking for years on both platforms. I'm sure I'm not knowledgeable enough to understand the advanced Windows features of which you speak, but right slicking is not the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slogold Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I bet it has the tightest security by far. Until somebody found a hole in the program. Just sayin...coz it's always like that with Microsoft now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jantha Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I'm a reverse switcher. I used a Mac for almost 2 years.. now I have a Mac that runs Windows HAH! The best thing they have going for them is that OS X is built on BSD Unix... which was great for me. However, they ultimately have as many problems as PC's have. I guess... both systems are cool and have their own strengths. One is no better than the other IMO though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmurray Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 what I have seen in white papers and other reviews its Vista with corrected issues rushed out and renamed. Microsoft are sneaky bastards. Windows 7 by all accounts is just Vista with SP3' date=' and we have to pay for it as if it were an entirely new operating system! I'll bet the 32bit version still contains MSDOS/WIN95 code in some parts. They should start with an entirely clean sheet. First off' date=' not to sound like a broken record, but [b']get a Mac[/b]. I'll seriously consider this option if and when the software support is there. At the moment, it's a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmurray Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 You brought up a fantastic point' date=' 64 bit OS, now thats a total scam right there and MS and the MFG of boards know this. For you to be in a true 64 bit OS everything needs to be 64bit and unless something has come out recently majority of the mother boards parts might be 64bit but if there is one 32bit hardware item guess what you just wasted all that moneys and your running 32 bit. And this is 99% of the time, big offenders of 32bit are soundcards..[/quote'] Yes, and what a waste it is. Windows 7 should have been 64bit only imo, and only compatible with 64bit hardware (i.e. no drivers allowed for 32bit hardware). Then the developers can focus on 64bit software and we'll finally be moving out of the dark ages. 32bit systems have been around since, what, 1985? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dacookster Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 ****cough cough****** Linux anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmurray Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 ****cough cough****** Linux anyone? Thanks but no thanks. I don't enjoy compiling source code just to get a program to run. Linux is great for servers, not so great for PC's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Okay.... I'm an old guy, but I've been "computering" since the late 1970s; built my own machines since 1981, first 8-bit jobbies, then "pc compatibles," learned to write code and hadda teach people how to use early Macs almost before I had seen one in the wild. Sheesh. A disclaimer first: My "baby" bro, 28 years younger, is a MS employee and AV specialist. He's doggone bright and incredibly capable. But since we weren't brought up together, obviously, we argue about all kinds of stuff, especially music and operating systems. <grin> Big time discussion on OS's and how they work with what we wanna do. (You wanna go to sleep in a cafe, have lunch with us. We'll have you snoring in minutes.) I have been functionally a small network mgr on both Mac and PC platforms. Neither are what they're cracked up to be. Graphics arguments are ludicrous. I was handling photos on a PC long, long ago and did a full graphics mag cover while Mac guys in the same era were seldom trying, and sent stuff instead to service bureaus with Unix or proprietary graphics stuff. I watched Mac and Quark Express "experts" and "bigwigs" wiggle in embarrassment when they did a big city rollout and couldn't keep the machines running. Crash, Crash. Mac is overpriced when comparing capability to capability and software prices are worse. They fib too. Snow Leopard has a glitch that can wipe out all your files. Granted, it's obscure, but... There were raid units that crashed and stopped mirroring, refusals to print from standard Quark files, unexplained changes in program defaults, etc., etc. Apple makes its money on selling stuff that doesn't work well with anything else. Been there, done that, both in terms of hardware and software. Unfortunately the same is true in ways with PCs. It's like the little girl with the curl in the middle of her forehead. When they are good, both are very, very good; when they are bad, they are horrid. Apple's worse; imagine buying a Gibson that wouldn't work with any other sort of amplifier... To show I'm not just anti-Mac, I refused Vista. Period. But if I now have a Mac project, I have to figure an increase of 25-50 percent in time, even using the "same" software. Right now all my work and home machines are XP. But if you looked at them, you'd wonder if it weren't a half Mac OS9 operation with windowshades, etc., that OSX didn't have. There are a dozen little program gizmos that didn't cost a nickel and convert music files and text files, record directly from Internet audio, download, play or convert Flash, and... Current Mac OS's are not really Mac OS anyway. They're nothing more than frequently updated proprietary graphic interfaces on versions of Unix. I've had to rescue Mac friends from their own disasters with/without upgrading operating systems. They seem only too willing to spend more on "upgrades" to slow processor Macs than it'd cost to get a new PC with equivalent software. "Safer on the Internet." Okay. Whatever. I can't afford to update all my software at home that cost far more than all my computer hardware put together. It's not just dollars, either. It's time. Lots of time customizing and messing with everything that makes a difference in handling photos professionally, newsletter and newspaper materials professionally, music kinda advanced amateur for recording, etc... Mac doesn't tend to have the options, even if you know what you're doing. But then, maybe I like to mess with the things more than I should, too. More than most folks. It's good advice to "wait," I've been killed by some "wonderful new stuff" on both platforms. I don't know if this'll cause moderator "cuts" or not, but seriously, you pays your money and takes your choice. I'd not be likely to use a top-end Mac right now if I were given one - and I have an offer for free Win-7 that I'll not take up until some very, very serious questions are answered. Linux? Heck, nowadays that's just Xwindows on a non-Mac version of Unix, right? <chortle> m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 milod...... You are the man..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dacookster Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 ********************* bravo!!!!!!!!!!! ************************* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmurray Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Intesting story Milod. Just out of interest, did you have anything to do with the Commodore Amiga back in the 80's/early 90's? That machine was way ahead of its time for home computers imho. It's a pity that the bigwigs at Commodore couldn't run a company if their life depended on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jantha Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Milod.... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShredAstaire Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Yeah' date=' I heard that rumor from the Apple propaganda machine. :-[/quote'] Oh thats not a rumour...right click is legit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 This one computer store I did business with tried to get me to use an Amiga - I actually was on the cover of one Commodore mag years ago. The 64 had the ability to do some stuff with videotape that I liked for the money and was doing a little bit of at the time. That's why they thought I'd be a good test. Hell, this is 25 years ago??? For "business" you pretty well needed a different kind of machine. Even the Apple II (6502 cpu) had a CPM emulator and could run Visicalc and I recall WordStar... <grin> that quickly gave way to Lisa that was a trial balloon for the Mac. I think the emulator used the Zilog z80 which was like a fast 8080. It's been a while. Reason I didn't get into Amiga was that i thought it was at the wrong time. The market wasn't ready at all. PC and Mac were too strong and developers were going nuts to get program "solutions" for them - most of which are gone - and there just wasn't a place for the Amiga concept, as I saw it. It was too expensive for a hobby guy and not the applications for enough pros to make/keep it viable. That's just my opinion. Like the Mac, it was based off the Motorola 68xxx cpu. I think some later could use a RISC chip. Note that Mac ended up with Intel. There were some advantages in memory addressing the Mac kept for quite a while, but... I think the "NEXT" machine and a nicely windowed Unix in a "don't mess with me" format was obviously where Apple would go kinda like Lisa was a precursor to the Mac. The PC and Mac platforms had their kinda specialties, but seemed to offer a degree of more broad "concept" in that you still could do a spreadsheet or database on a Mac or do a technical manual on the PC, but... there just wasn't that kind of "feel" to the Amiga regardless... Certainly there weren't the developers sold on it either. As I recall, oops programming was just getting going too, and I think most of those folks at first were busy enough with the Mac and early Windows iterations. Win 2.1 wasn't bad, nor 3.1 as I recall, but the Internet pretty much made Win95 mandatory. Once that hit, and decent graphics/publishing software.... Commodore also tried a PC clone, but it never clicked. I think that's because it didn't have an "image" that would encourage much in the way of serious sales. I don't recall that they even went into the second generation of Intel chips (80286) that first claimed they were great multi-taskers. Yeah, right. But they did let you use a "high memory" ram disk, and... I loved it as a standalone 'cuz it ran much faster that way than an 8088 or 8086.. Hmmmm. Whatever. Marketing? Business sense? I dunno. Commodore never had a high end rep like Apple and IBM had in terms of helping create marketplace or a stronger developer community. Nowadays? Heck, PC or Mac, the music software is plenty good enough and... m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alekseriator Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Milod u r a machine yourself dam im tired of reading your "not for normal people" posts!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeVeeWee Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I'm with you' date=' got a mac a year ago and have not looked back. Not for gamers though, but that is what my XBOX 360 is for.[/quote'] +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Hey, the question was asked... I just answered. Besides, what is a normal person anyway? How does one define "normalcy?" Uhhhhh. Hey, how much more normal can you get than an ex rocker and folkie who works for a living and uses a computer, likes rodeo and little town saloons with live music and drives a Jeep? m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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