jrsdws Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Considering a used purchase....lots available it seems. Please give me advantages and disadvantages between the 2x12 version and the 4 x 10 version. I assume the 410 produces more sound due to more speaker area, but speaker replacements would be more costly. And vice versa with the 212....probably a bit less sound (but sure its way loud) but cheaper speaker replacements. Please give pros and cons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanMan Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 I know that Neoconman said buy the 4x10 or you'd wish you had. I believe he was speaking from experience. Personally, I'd go play though them and see. I find I like the tone from larger speakers better than smaller ones, but sound is so subjective. Good Luck and enjoy the hunt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepblue Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 More speakers push more air, thats pretty much it in a nut shell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturn Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 I recently borrowed a friends Deville 2x12. I took it as back-up in case my B-52 crapped out at a gig. IMO it is too loud for home use. I imagine that a 4X10 would be at least just as loud. Maybe I didn't play with it enough to work out the nuances, but it went from being barely audible to extremely loud with no in-between. I found the volumes controls to be wierd also. Master Volume controls the Drive Channel and Volume controls the Clean Channel. I thought maybe there was a problem with his amp but talked to another owner who said, no that's the way it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky4 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 It will be interesting to test them out to their full potential. I have a 2-12 and am amazed at how loud it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Tens put out a lot more bass than people think, also. My last stint as a bassist lasted nearly 2 years and my favorite rig was/and is a Carvin 4;10T cab pushed by their R1000 (yea, 1000 watt) head. I never ran it at 1000 watts, because I only had the 1 cab, because it was all I needed. The Fender Bassman was a 4;10 design, as well as the "Super Reverb" which is also a killer sounding amp when Bruce Brown (CDB) is kicking his "wide arsed open". My Fender Prosonic (Bruce Zinkey design) combo has 2;10s. Never underestimated good 10's if you have never really cranked them in a live situation. Best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrsdws Posted January 31, 2010 Author Share Posted January 31, 2010 Going to check out a used 410 tonight....1997 model...one owner....all original...has never left the house since purchased and only played about once a month by an adult for his own pleasure. He claims it sounds the same as it did new...soo...it could be a winner at a great price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Going to check out a used 410 tonight....1997 model...one owner....all original...has never left the house since purchased and only played about once a month by an adult for his own pleasure. He claims it sounds the same as it did new...soo...it could be a winner at a great price. It's probably American made too, if it's a '97. My Prosonic is a '96. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrsdws Posted January 31, 2010 Author Share Posted January 31, 2010 Yes it is most certainly US made.....and about half the price of new!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrosion of conformity Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Either of the Devilles would be a great purchase, but I like the 4x10 better. It has better bass response and a brighter sound to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 I thought those were made in Mexico but I'm probably wrong. Anyways they're cool amps. I have noticed that they go from almost no volume to ridiculously loud with no in between volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrosion of conformity Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 I thought those were made in Mexico but I'm probably wrong. Anyways they're cool amps. I have noticed that they go from almost no volume to ridi****usly loud with no in between volume. They started making them in Mexico in the early 2000s. The 1997 model would be American made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 They started making them in Mexico in the early 2000s. The 1997 model would be American made. Oh that's interesting. Didn't know that. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 I know that Neoconman said buy the 4x10 or you'd wish you had. I believe he was speaking from experience. Indeed. At lower volumes' date=' the 4x10 sounds a bit more lush and shimmery. Kind of a chorus effect with more speakers. Cranked up, they sound very similar to me - LOUD! I have the 2x12, partly because I thought the bigger cones [i']must[/i] be better. Just ain't so in this case. I've found mine works pretty good with the master and drive both around 4. Any higher with either knob and it just gets meaner sounding with no additional output. Did I mention that this setting makes it LOUD? A good used one - USA built - is probably a fantastic choice. At worst it might need some tubes. I smoked a preamp tube within two years of buying mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzboy Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Fender is mostly good for the clean sound not their distortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky4 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Fender is mostly good for the clean sound not their distortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Fender is mostly good for the clean sound not their distortion. Not true. Fender has some of the sweetest distortion there is. I love some warm Fender overdrive. Mmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzboy Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 and which amps are those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrsdws Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 Picked up a 97' Deville 410...Made in USA...perfect condition...he bought it new and it never left this guy's little spare bedroom/music room. It had been so long since he'd used it he couldn't even remember how to change channels....only played clean anyway...and volume never past 2. A great buy I think at half the price of a new MIM model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 BRAVO!!! Great honest little amp. With no pedals, I always used the drive channel except for quiet/blues stuff. Lets all the different guitars I own shine through. Never had the gain over 4, any more was a waste of time. The More Drive channel is worthless - sounds like ***. I now have the Fulltone OCD plugged in and I leave it on the clean channel. After 25 years, I've finally found a cool pedal to use full time. Still, the HRD by itself is a great versatile tube amp even for the new price. Enjoy it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 and which amps are those? Check out the dual cascading gain channel on the Bruce Zinky designed Prosonic sometime. It's a tube rectifier, Mesa Boogie sounding machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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