pohatu771 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Also' date=' weren't the big "Jazz Boxes" more popular, at that time, because (early on, at least) the 330-335's weren't made, yet?[/quote'] That's also true... the thinline guitars weren't released until 1958... before that, the ES guitars were acoustic archtops with a pickup installed. They were "more popular" in the sense that they were the only option, other than the solidbodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 <...> What I'm curious about' date=' is IF there's any real difference in a "Long neck" 330, compared to the normal variety 330, in tone or "fullness" given the smaller neck joint area, of the long neck version. Probably not...but...??? CB[/quote'] Since my "long neck" 330 and Casino sound very close plugged in, I don't think there would be a significant difference. But that's a guess. If someone knows for sure, I'd be interested as well. Notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Yeah, I heard the term "Jazz Box" from Jazz players, as a matter of fact...and it was within the last few years. I've always loved the tone, of those guitars, but they felt unwieldy to me...except the Byrdland! It's still thin for a "Jazz Box!" LOL! So, I think if I was going to go that way, that would be the guitar for me...either the Elitist or...If I won the "Power Ball," the Gibson! But...my Sheraton, and Gibson "Lucille" do more than a credible job, as it is. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 I am guessing that Gibson coined the term "Jazz Box" in order to sell those guitars. I don't think Chuck Berry or Scotty Moore thought of them as jazz guitars ;-) And remember, Les Paul is a jazz guitarist. I like the slim Casino myself, and if I had the money, I'd try an ES-339. An LP Ultra seems like something I'd be interested in too. I like Leilani's Parker PM-10 and enjoy playing that one. Personally, I like lighter guitars. I prefer the P-90 sound, but I like the sound of my ESP/LTD humbuckers (for what it is) and some day I'd like a real Strat because it also has a different sound. Oh noooo, why did I ever decide to get serious about playing the guitar. I was happy to have one tenor sax, one alto sax, one acoustic guitar, one archtop electric and one bass for most of my life. Now I have GAS --- I'm helpless --- it's hopeless --- I find myself wanting, wanting, wanting. Please, everybody buy my Band-in-a-Box styles, buy my fake disks, hire my duo, go to my music book page and buy some more, send me money, help me feed the beast ;-) Please don't let little Bobby go to bed guitar hungry tonight. Insights, incites, and mad ravings by Notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabar Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Jeffery Smith opined: and Fender seemed like a surf guitar and little more) If you're talking about Strats, Jaguars, Jazzmasters and the like, so they largely were --- until some feller from Seattle named Hendrix took them to Jupiter and back. (Although the Beatles' "Nowhere Man" wasn't exactly surf, even played with two strats.) But don't forget the Telecaster --- neither country music nor R&B as we know them would be the same without it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubstar Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Buddy Holly!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 I just read through the Sophisticats website, Notes... I didn't know you went to Berklee. A friend of mine is starting in the fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefferySmith Posted June 2, 2008 Author Share Posted June 2, 2008 Jeffery Smith opined: (Although the Beatles' "Nowhere Man" wasn't exactly surf' date=' even played with two strats.) [/quote'] I had to go back and re-edit this response. I just turned on the third Beatles DVD, and it wasn't two strats that I saw during the playing of Nowhere Man, but two sunburst finish Casinos. Did all three of those guys have Casinos? One disappointing thing about the anthology series is the number of "dubbed in" videos of the Beatles playing. And something that was even more startling to me was a tape of them in a live concert playing "I Feel Fine" and the guitar riff appears to have been dubbed in while John just strummed chords. I wasn't aware that they did that sort of thing back in the 60's, but the riff was there with none of the Beatles playing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Yeah, I've seen that video, too...but John played that riff, starting out of the bar "D" chord position, down to C, then G. So, it's possible he WAS playing it, but it just doesn't look like it. ??? They DID dub a lot of things, with all bands, back in those days. Some things never change! ;>) CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefferySmith Posted June 2, 2008 Author Share Posted June 2, 2008 I can understand the silly promotional stuff and the scenes in "Help". But it looks ridiculous when Ringo is just pretending to hit drums and cymbals. What makes it pretty obvious is that Paul, who is generally hyperactive to the point of nearly exploding, looks bored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Did all three of those guys have Casinos? Paul has his 1962, with Gibson headstock, in sunburst with a Bigsby. John had a 1965, as everyone knows, and stripped the finish later on (but only after spray-painting the backside). George had one, in sunburst, also with a Bigsby. He also stripped the finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrds1965 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 I had to go back and re-edit this response. I just turned on the third Beatles DVD' date=' and it wasn't two strats that I saw during the playing of Nowhere Man, but [b']two sunburst finish Casinos[/b]. Did all three of those guys have Casinos? One disappointing thing about the anthology series is the number of "dubbed in" videos of the Beatles playing. And something that was even more startling to me was a tape of them in a live concert playing "I Feel Fine" and the guitar riff appears to have been dubbed in while John just strummed chords. I wasn't aware that they did that sort of thing back in the 60's, but the riff was there with none of the Beatles playing it. You saw parts of the 1966 tour where they did Nowhere Man on Casinos as those are the guitars they took on tour. The Beatles did not seem too concerned with playing what exact guitar they did live as they did on the recordings. Unless it was the Shea Stadium concert I know of no other concerts wheare they went back and fixed them in the studio. The Beatles live were live and the film clips and some TV apperances were mimed or prerecorded. Watch Help during the Another Girl sequence and you will see John start to goof off at one point and Paul grabs him around the neck. Laugh ever time I see that sequence. Yes all three had Casinos. Also the first apperance of the strats was on Ticket to Ride playing the open A string. So they might also be other places on the Help album. I have always thought the solo on Your Going To Lose That Girl sounds more like a strat than a Country Gent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 I have always thought the solo on Your Going To Lose That Girl sounds more like a strat than a Country Gent. Well, could be...but, I have a Country Gent, and through a Vox AC-30, you can get that exact tone, in the lead (bridge) pickup. In fact, I can get pretty close to it, with my "Hot Rod Deluxe" Fender amp, and the Gent. Now.."Nowhere Man" really sounds like a Strat...probably because IT WAS! ;>) CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubstar Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 "and it wasn't two strats that I saw during the playing of Nowhere Man" but it was two you heard on the record... also, keep in mind that film of live appearances (where they are actually playing) can be deceiving... for a variety of reasons during multi-cam shoots, sometimes when editing the final version (after the performance is recorded live and sometime transmitted live) it is necessary to substitute a shot from another moment during the performance to cover a technical error (camera out of focus,panning, not aiming at the right place, etc)...when this is done well, it is seamless...when it is done in haste or sloppily, the results can create a false impression of what actually happened... and the beatles were one of the 1st bands to acknowledge and poke fun of lip-synching and miming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrds1965 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Well' date=' could be...but, I have a Country Gent, and through a Vox AC-30, you can get that exact tone, in the lead (bridge) pickup. In fact, I can get pretty close to it, with my "Hot Rod Deluxe" Fender amp, and the Gent. Now.."Nowhere Man" really sounds like a Strat...probably because IT WAS! ;>) CB[/quote'] My bandmate had a Gent a long time ago, but it was one of his "divorce" guitars that went. I used to play Your Going To Lose That Girl and Don't Bother Me through his AC30, not lost in the divorce, until he would take it from me and put it away. It's been a long time now but remember playing it several times and coming closer to the solo with my strat. That was the last time Harrison seemed to use the Gent though and the the only sequence in Help it is used, so it probably is. Some of the great stuff on the Beatles is you will never know for sure how they got some of the sounds they did. Most of their stuff seems simple until you really try to duplicate it and then you know just how well thought out and executed it really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron G Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Some of the great stuff on the Beatles is you will never know for sure how they got some of the sounds they did. Geoff Emerick's book Here There And Everywhere does tell some really good stuff about how a lot of it was done. A must-read for all Beatles fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Yeah, and even The Beatles, themselves, don't remember everything they did...or how. That's quite apparent, in the last disc, of the Anthology...but, it's to be expected, given their amazing output, and the quality, and inovation of such. AND...it was the '60's, after all. I was pleasantly surprised there was as much, live footage as there was. Ringo and Paul both have repeatedly stated, that precious little exists, on film, of The Beatles, especially given their fame, and unbelievable impact, on music and culture, the world over! Nowadays, even the lamest act, seems to have unprecedented media! Scary, as that is. (Oh, Gosh... there I go, AGAIN..."Editorializing!") ;>) CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrds1965 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Yeah' date=' and even The Beatles, themselves, don't remember everything they did...or how.That's quite apparent, in the last disc, of the Anthology...but, it's to be expected, given their amazing output, and the quality, and inovation of such. AND...it was the '60's, after all. I was pleasantly surprised there was as much, live footage as there was. Ringo and Paul both have repeatedly stated, that precious little exists, on film, of The Beatles, especially given their fame, and unbelievable impact, on music and culture, the world over! Nowadays, even the lamest act, seems to have unprecedented media! Scary, as that is. (Oh, Gosh... there I go, AGAIN..."Editorializing!") ;>) CB[/quote'] I own the Emerick book and it is a great read. Yeah the Beatles were not the best with remebering what was what and what they did or played on what. Tom Hartman who is in the Beatles Gear book and in many Google posts remembers asking Harrison questions about certain things in 69 and he could not remember some things they did then. The strats according to Harrison made their debut on Nowhere Man, but Martin's wife while cleaning out closets found a pile of track sheets for Help and on the Ticket To Ride multi track sheet it lists the strats as Fender, so they got them prior to the Help album. We all know where Rocky is, but even the Beatles Gear book never mentions what happened to Lennon's strat. Wonder where that went? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Most of their stuff seems simple until you really try to duplicate it and then you know just how well thought out and executed it really is.Or perhaps they just picked up a guitar and plugged it in somewhere, and then liked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Well, whatever they did, it certainly WORKED! "Genius, is mysterious!" CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Flick Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 We all know where Rocky is' date=' but even the Beatles Gear book never mentions what happened to Lennon's strat. Wonder where that went?[/quote'] From the canteen: "1965: 1961 Fender Stratocaster, Sonic Blue, rosewood fingerboard: One day in the studio, during the Help! sessions, Lennon and Harrison sent roadie Mal Evans out to "get a couple Strats," and Ever-Smiling came back from Grimwoods in Kent with two '61 models in a rare color (reportedly, Brian Epstein had agreed to pay for them if they were the same color). They later put them to work on "Nowhere Man," and used them regularly, including a Sgt. Pepper session (below). Whereabouts unknown, although a similar model with a maple fretboard is seen during the Imagine sessions." Lennon's Guitars - The Canteen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 He could have given it away, to someone...George was always doing that. So, maybe John did, too? Or, it may have "walked away," from the infamous Abbey Road Closet?! Who knows? CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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