charlie brown Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 OK...I have a LP that I've owned for 32 years, and I've never experienced this, before. So, I'm thinking it must be a bad set of strings? Intonation is fine, and when using a tuner, it says it's in tune. However, when playing open or barre chords, NOTHING seems in-tune. Make adjust ments, by ear, and it seems OK in open chords (for awhile) but not in barre chords. Plus, it seems to go in and out of tune while you listen to it. The nut is fine...there's never been any problem, until now...same guage (10's) and even brand stings, that I've always used, but man...I'm stumped! Anyone had any similar experiences, and/or what did you determine to be the culprit. HELP! CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stan 58 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Oh ya, i think you should send it to me for a closer look. But i would try restringing it first. Never had that happen to me. Have you played it lately, before the change? Stan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricochet Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Extreme fret-wear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted December 4, 2008 Author Share Posted December 4, 2008 Oh ya' date=' i think you should send it to me for a closer look. But i would try restringing it first. Never had that happen to me. Have you played it lately, before the change? Stan.[/quote'] Well, one thing I'm wondering is...since it was "inactive" for a while, that maybe the strings went bad... stretched as far as they will, and not cannot be tuned properly? It is acting, as though the strings are at that "dead" point, BUT...they sound almost "new" in tone...just won't stay tuned. I noticed, again, just now...that when tuning with the electronic tuner (fresh battery), that when proper pitch is indicated, it will then go 'sharp,' a bit...so, they may be stretched beyond any reall accurate tuning possibilities, now? I have NO idea...as this is a new one, on me. The weather has cooled off (and dried up) a lot, too.. so maybe that's another factor. Problem is, it's not a factor, with any of my other guitars...even the Ricky 12 string is staying in tune, weather change and all...and that almost never happens! LOL! So..??? CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron G Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Charlie, it's the LP's way of giving you the finger because you've spent so much time with the new SG and P93. Seriously, I think you should try a fresh (not past the "good til" date) set of strings before exploring other possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted December 4, 2008 Author Share Posted December 4, 2008 Extreme fret-wear? No, I don't think so...Richochet...the frets look good, still. It's probably like Ron said...bad strings/cranky guitar. LOL! It's just so Weird!! Usually, when something like this happens, the strings are obviously bad...no tone, dead, etc. But, in this case, they still sound "new" like (tone wise)...just won't hold tune...especially the G, B, and high E. But, even the lower strings don't seem all that accurate, either. Guess I'll change them out, and see if that helps...? Thanks, guys... CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis G Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I'm not expert, but I say strings. I had a similar experience a few months ago with a G string (it's always a G string isn't it?). Just wouldn't stay in tune no matter what. Changed strings, problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg3333 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Sounds like your strings are flat. Send it my way and I will test this theory for you. I won't even charge for the service! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stig Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 If you do the old-school tuning routine of starting at the low string and working your way across the guitar, 5th fret to open, etc. does THAT work? I find that my Casino tunes better that way. And like Dennis G mentioned, the G string is a real problem on this guitar. I need to try some new strings. I just recently got the guitar, and it's still got whatever they put on them at the factory. (Anyone know what that is?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carverman Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 No' date=' I don't think so...Richochet...the frets look good, still. It's probably like Ron said...bad strings/cranky guitar. LOL! It's just so Weird!! Usually, when something like this happens, the strings are obviously bad...no tone, dead, etc. But, in this case, they still sound "new" like (tone wise)...just won't hold tune...especially the G, B, and high E. But, even the lower strings don't seem all that accurate, either. Guess I'll change them out, and see if that helps...? Thanks, guys... CB[/quote'] Bad strings..sometimes you get a set that won't stay in tune. Toss them and get another different set is all I can suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layboomo Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Yup .....a bum set of strings is my call too. A guitar that's been stable all these years shouldn't just go nutty without something extreme happening and you would know it if that were the case. I've had it happen more with acoustics I don't play often....one day you just take them out of the case and the strings are dead! Oh well that's life...which reminds me....time to put a fresh set on my martin d-35! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted December 5, 2008 Author Share Posted December 5, 2008 Thanks guys! I think you're right, about needing different strings, at this point. I've tried everything from "old school," to high tech (electronic tuners) tuning...and the result is the same...plus, even minute changes in the tuning keys, produces pitch changes that are beyond what would be expected (proportionally) to the key turns. So...that says to me, too...that the strings are either bad to begin with, or have gone bad, stretched beyond hope, so that they won't go to correct pitch and stay there. Quite often, even one strum...and several are out, already. Very frustrating! Another strange thing, is they seem to have some weird harmonic, almost metallic sounds, especially in the upper 3 strings, that drive me, and the electronic tuner crazy! So, I'll try a fresh set, and see what happens. Thanks, for the help/responses! CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Strings are a $3 troubleshooting tool if you buy them in bulk. Drop a set on it and see, Charlie!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stan 58 Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 So, What happened? Stan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted December 6, 2008 Author Share Posted December 6, 2008 So' date=' What happened? Stan.[/quote'] Well, interesting you should ask, Stan... I waited a day...picked the guitar up, and it was in tune, and stayed there...without changing strings... (just hadn't done it, yet). I was actually getting ready to do just that, when I plugged it in...to check one more time, and it was fine. NOTHING like the day before, when I posted this original querry. That's even stranger...but, I'm wondering if it's prior inactivity, then being tuned up and active again... it needed a bit of "settling down" time. I've noticed that very thing, on my Fender guitars, when they've not been played in awhile. It's an interesting phenomena, for sure! Maybe the more "tech" people here, can enlighten me/us? Neck tension, Truss Rod settling down, etc?? CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stan 58 Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Good news, either you or it were probably a bad day!!Stan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted December 6, 2008 Author Share Posted December 6, 2008 Good news' date=' either you or it were probably a bad day!!Stan.[/quote'] LOL! Yeah, possibly...but, it's happened before, as mentioned. I have a feeling it's being played, after a longer period of inactivity, that's responsible. But, who knows? I guess what I'm curious about, is if any other's here, have experienced the same thing, beyond the normal "the damn "G" string won't stay in tune," sort of thing. LOL CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron G Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 This article from the current issue of Premier Guitar touches upon just the phenomenon you encountered, Charlie. An interesting read.... http://digital.premierguitar.com/premierguitar/200812/?folio=60&fm=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted December 6, 2008 Author Share Posted December 6, 2008 Thanks, Ron... CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Hey CB I've had the same problem with my natural casino. Pick it up and no matter what I do its out of tune. If its in tune in the F position Its out playing a bar C. Adjust the strings so the C chord is perfect and go down to the F position and thats off. So frustrating that I put the guitar down and walk away. Two days later play it again and everything is perfectly in tune up and down the fret board. Pretty weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted December 6, 2008 Author Share Posted December 6, 2008 Hey CB I've had the same problem with my natural casino. Pick it up and no matter what I do its out of tune. If its in tune in the F position Its out playing a bar C. Adjust the strings so the C chord is perfect and go down to the F position and thats off. So frustrating that I put the guitar down and walk away. Two days later play it again and everything is perfectly in tune up and down the fret board. Pretty weird. Well Cookieman, I'm sorry you have the same experiences, but glad to know I'm "not alone!" ;>p When I initially posted, I had never experienced this, on a "Gibson," or "set neck" guitar. I have, with bolt on (Fender) guitars, to a certain degree...but, it seems like it corrected itself, a bit sooner. So, whatever that correction IS, I guess it takes a bit longer, with a set-neck guitar? Who knows?? LOL! It could be (and probably IS) directly effected by humidity changes. Temps, too...but I keep my guitars in temps that I'm comfortable in, so...in this case, I think it may be more due to humidity...which here in the mid-west, can fluctuate pretty drastically, at times. Especially in the Winter months. Thanks, CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Sounds to me like you had a senior moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted December 6, 2008 Author Share Posted December 6, 2008 Sounds to me like you had a senior moment. Well, nothing would surprise me, there ;>)...but, In this case...I don't think it was that. There was a noticable improvement, a day later... after sitting out. And No, I wasn't imagining it...of that I'm quite sure! CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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