pohatu771 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Looking closer, this is what I've decided... The headstock inlay is too big - the truss rod cover shouldn't touch it. The headstock isn't symmetrical. The neck pickup knobs (closer to the bridge) should line up with the pickguard screw. The two sets of knobs should create a parallel line - these do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebb Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 The headstock doesn't look right. A closer photo of the headstock would close the book on this one. A close shot of the truss rod cover would be useful too. Also pop the back cover, the 3-way switch should be branded epiphone along the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegadeMaster Posted December 16, 2008 Author Share Posted December 16, 2008 Isn't it possible you're looking TOO much into it? Looking for faults so you find them? You've got to remember that headstock picture is on a slant, I don't think I could get anymore pictures until Christmas day, when I'm actually allowed the guitar, haha But I will try get it out again, where is the truss rod thingy? Sorry if that seems like a stupid question But I will try get more pics :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 It's not the slant that bothers me - the two sides appear to be different shapes. From the front, the top of the left side (bass) appears to be more curved than the treble side. Besides, a slant wouldn't make up for the oversized inlay. The best way to tell is to start taking it apart - truss rod cover, control cavity, and pickup routs. Scratch off some paint and see what kind of wood is underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebb Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 The truss rod cover (or TRC as it is commonly called) is the little piece of plastic on the headstock that says "les Paul". Often the TRC is hard to fake, the writing can be fuzzy and indistinct or even the plastic can be cut in the wrong shape slightly. Check the switch, four screws and a peek for the epi logo and put ur mind at rest. I'd sure loose some sleep over it between now and christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP_CS336 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Hey Dude' date=' Sorry but I say it may be fake. In looking at the headstock, the corners are cut in a straight line. My EE LP standardhas a slight inward curvature on the headstock corner cuts. And if you look at the photo of the back of the headstock, looks as if the corners have been touched-up. But, I am a newbie. So..........[/quote'] That's the first thing I noticed when I saw the back of the headstock. I thought, "My EE LP standard has a slight inward curvature on the headstock corner cuts" just like you did.:) . But, then again, we have LP Standards, he's talking about a Custom, so I don't really know if there's a difference on the corner cuts between the two different headstocks. Seems nothing's "standard" anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acewarslave Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 I was going to put up some photos of my fake ace frehley eppi but photo bucket must have changed since last time i used it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyushPresley Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Looks real to me but the E on the logo is too fat did any one recognize that..?? Well but i wouldn't say fake because of that E.. every thing else tells me it's authentic. could anyone tell me..." doesn't the Custom Epi's have Custom Workshop or something stamped somewhere on the back of the headstock" I have a mind of a gold fish ... I'm sure i've seen it somewhere on these Custom Epi's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generation zero Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 "alot" isn't a word (I figured that since you're criticizing......) It's not a "real" word... And I figured that since this thread is about fakes... Nah, I got nothing. You got me. *sulks* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Looks real to me but the E on the logo is too fat did any one recognize that..?? Well but i wouldn't say fake because of that E.. every thing else tells me it's authentic.could anyone tell me..." doesn't the Custom Epi's have Custom Workshop or something stamped somewhere on the back of the headstock" I have a mind of a gold fish ... I'm sure i've seen it somewhere on these Custom Epi's. That's on the custom, limited edition guitars (like the Casino with Bigsby)... this is just a regular Les Paul Custom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegadeMaster Posted December 17, 2008 Author Share Posted December 17, 2008 I removed the humbucker and it had Epiphone printed into it, like stamped into the metal, like engraved but I wouldn't say engraved haha, Does that say anything about the authenticity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyushPresley Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I removed the humbucker and it had Epiphone printed into it' date=' like stamped into the metal, like engraved butI wouldn't say engraved haha, Does that say anything about the authenticity?[/quote'] i think thats fair enough... fake ones don't even have that stamped EPIPHONE written on it... I say Authentic !! but i still cant get that FAT "E" out of my head. it's way too thick .. anyone on that ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyushPresley Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Na !! I think it's authentic.. some "E's" i checked out are thin even on the real one and some look like your's...I'd probably give it a green light.. it's OK at least to me it looks o.k. now.... i checked out lot of pics from different sites some have thin "E" and some fat... both authentic though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricochet Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I removed the humbucker and it had Epiphone printed into it' date=' like stamped into the metal, like engraved but I wouldn't say engraved haha, Does that say anything about the authenticity?[/quote'] No... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty3693 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Actually the printed Epiphone on the pickups does mean it's authentic because if you take the part of the Stop Tailpiece off that should also have Epiphone stamped on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicester35 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Looks like you should talk to antwhi2001...he's bought one too and thinks his is the real deal... http://forums.epiphone.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=6894 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Actually the printed Epiphone on the pickups does mean it's authentic because if you take the part of the Stop Tailpiece off that should also have Epiphone stamped on it. If you can build a near-perfect copy of a major-manufacturer's guitar, what's stopping you from stamping a piece of metal? I've seen fakes that have it stamped on there. I'd much prefer to say that your guitar is authentic, but at this point, I'm still not convinced. I've said it before, but scratch some paint off from inside a cavity and you'll see exactly what it's made out of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegadeMaster Posted December 17, 2008 Author Share Posted December 17, 2008 I'm leaving it for now, could people who are suggesting me to look places please be more specific about where I am looking, I don't know the anatomy of a guitar very well, pictures of what I'm looking for would help alot if you are suggesting to me look for an Epiphone logo, show me where it is by using another picture please :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant7629 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I almost bought from this guy too. I think he is selling them on ebay also. I ended up buying from a dealer (got a good price £300) because I have always thought if something is too good to be true, then it usually is. With regards to your guitar, I can certainly see a difference in the cut offs and the logo as mentioned previously. Also, as mentioned, taking a look at the parts and chambering is always a good idea. How does it play and sound? Most copies I have seen are pretty damn close, but there is a difference. Here are some pics of mine, which is brand new and definitely genuine, to help: Sorry about the quality, I couldn't get the light quite right. I really hope yours is genuine. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron G Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Anybody notice the crooked tuning machines? Things are adding up to a verdict of counterfeit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricochet Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Actually the printed Epiphone on the pickups does mean it's authentic because if you take the part of the Stop Tailpiece off that should also have Epiphone stamped on it. Nonsense. FWIW I've seen the stamped PU backplates more often on fakes than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricochet Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I'm sorry, I don't like the look of the headstock. It looks off. The A and B-tuners are supposed to be in the middle of the headstock. Either they're too low, or the headstock is too 'tall'. A detailed pic of the innards would reveal more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegadeMaster Posted December 17, 2008 Author Share Posted December 17, 2008 What would everyone say is the sure fire way to spot a fake Because so far we havn't got anything that hundred percent proves it is a fake and in everyone giving opinions on scale of things and that, I don't think that is a very effective way what so ever, It is leant on the bed So its not at a straight angle, just so everyone is aware of that, I havn't got it fully straight on the bed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I put the two pictures together... see the difference? The angle of the photo won't make the inlay appear to be a different size. It's far too big. As I've said, open up the cavity and scratch the paint off. You take the plate off the back of the guitar, where you can access the controls. Scratch off a bit of paint from the side of the cavity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicester35 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I don't know whether there is a 100% fool-proof test to spot a fake....Epiphone will tell you the only 100% way to be sure is to buy from one of their authorized dealers. One thing does occur to me though.... Here is the headstock from a definitely genuine Epi LP Custom: And here is the photo of your headstock, which you posted: Is it just me, or does the diamond design in the centre of the headstock look misaligned on your guitar? (especially when you look at how it points towards the top screw in the TRC?) You know, these sell from that company for 200 quid less than they cost from an authorized UK Epi dealer, such as http://www.imuso.co.uk I'm not being rude...but have you considered that this might be a 2nd, rather than a fake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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