LedZep2112 Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Hey everyone, I have a few questions. I have a epi special II and am looking to upgrade to an epi les paul standard. ihave looked and i want the most versitile guitar out there. I have looked tirelessly on these forums for an answer to a question no one has asked. Can the 57/57+ be turned from 2 to 4 conductor pickups? Thats what ive heard you have to do to acheive coil split, if not, if you could tell me how thatd be great. I want to go from Communication Breakdown to Roll the bones(Rush) in a pull of a knob. any info would help. I wanted to post this again in a different spot, just to get the question out there. Im sure a lot more people besides me would like this answer too. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordy01 Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 My opinion is that if you want a versatile guitar, one that will go from blues to country to rock, humbucker to single coil sound, you should buy an Ultra 2. I know that some people are going to jump all over me for that opinion, but I own an Ultra 2, and it is a great guitar. The Nanomag pickup at the base of the neck can be used like a single coil. It can be blended in with the humbuckers to give a nice thick clean sound also. It does not have a coil split built in, but with the Nanomag you won't need that. It is true that some people have had trouble with their Ultra 2's, mine has been trouble free. And I suspect there are more happy owners out there than unhappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZep2112 Posted September 6, 2010 Author Share Posted September 6, 2010 All right, something to think about, but I think you get that with all epi guitars, you cant make everyone happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordy01 Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 All right, something to think about, but I think you get that with all epi guitars, you cant make everyone happy. I think you get that with all brands of guitar, not just Epi's. There are a lot of guitars with big names out there that are dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSDx Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 ihave looked and i want the most versitile guitar out there. Not an Epi, not a LP, even, but the the BMG Special is incredibly versatile (3 Tri-Sonic single coils, wired in series so when you switch 2 on, they act as a 'bucker, plus with phase reversal for each....chambered body....a huge tonal variety at your disposal), and built incredibly well - MIK, 18:1 locking Grovers, ebony fretboard, Wilkinson vibrato that actually stays in tune with use...all around great guitar, although a lil pricier than an Epi LP. But I love mine..... BMGs truly are overlooked - they're not just for fanboys of Dr May, they are versatile instruments in their own right. BrianMayGuitars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeks Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 At least try a Epi LUCILLE before leaving the store... put the Vari-Tone 6-position switch through its paces... You may be pleasantly surprised! CHEEKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSDx Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 At least try a Epi LUCILLE before leaving the store... put the Vari-Tone 6-position switch through its paces... You may be pleasantly surprised! CHEEKS Indeed - those are quite nice in their own right - my daughter's boyfriend has one, it's a nice player, for sure!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeks Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Not an Epi, not a LP, even, but the the BMG Special is incredibly versatile (3 Tri-Sonic single coils, wired in series so when you switch 2 on, they act as a 'bucker, plus with phase reversal for each....chambered body....a huge tonal variety at your disposal), and built incredibly well - MIK, 18:1 locking Grovers, ebony fretboard, Wilkinson vibrato that actually stays in tune with use...all around great guitar, although a lil pricier than an Epi LP. But I love mine..... BMGs truly are overlooked - they're not just for fanboys of Dr May, they are versatile instruments in their own right. BrianMayGuitars IF that is SIX (6) SLIDE SWITCHES I see there on that thing, I would not touch that thing with a 10-foot pole! Just wait a couple of years and you'll know what i am talking about... DIRT in the SLIDE SWITCHES and those type of switches are the easiest to WEAR OUT. The copper slide contacts inside get oxidized and then it gets "intermittent contacts"... noisey and scratchy... like a dirty pot... only this is a switch! And to compound matters, you have 6 of those. They are super cheap switches. A very poor choice for switches, IF those are SLIDE SWITCHES. SLIDE SWITCHES are mostly found on cheap consumer electronics goods. Another thing: Let's say a SLIDE SWITCH did wear out prematurely, WHERE are you going to get one to replace it as a perfect match to the old switch ? Now.... WITH TOGGLE SWITCHES, the mounting port is nothing more than a round hole ! At least you'll be able to find a standard TOGGLE switch as a replacement. CHEEKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZep2112 Posted September 6, 2010 Author Share Posted September 6, 2010 all right guys, but im pretty hellbent on a paul. I just think that my guitar. i like the sound, i like the style, and I like the color, the only thing I need is for it to sound like a single coil guitar at the flick of a switch. thanks for guitar advice though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeks Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 all right guys, but im pretty hellbent on a paul. I just think that my guitar. i like the sound, i like the style, and I like the color, the only thing I need is for it to sound like a single coil guitar at the flick of a switch. thanks for guitar advice though. Remember: SLIDE switches = BAD. TOGGLE switches = GOOD. CHEEKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZep2112 Posted September 6, 2010 Author Share Posted September 6, 2010 ya, I havent even heard of slide switches on a guitar, thats something you put on an R/C car. all right. if anyone else anything on the subject please reply. thanks to the users above for getting us started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSDx Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 IF that is SIX (6) SLIDE SWITCHES I see there on that thing, I would not touch that thing with a 10-foot pole! Just wait a couple of years and you'll know what i am talking about... DIRT in the SLIDE SWITCHES and those type of switches are the easiest to WEAR OUT. The copper slide contacts inside get oxidized and then it gets "intermittent contacts"... noisey and scratchy... like a dirty pot... only this is a switch! And to compound matters, you have 6 of those. They are super cheap switches. A very poor choice for switches, IF those are SLIDE SWITCHES. SLIDE SWITCHES are mostly found on cheap consumer electronics goods. Another thing: Let's say a SLIDE SWITCH did wear out prematurely, WHERE are you going to get one to replace it as a perfect match to the old switch ? Now.... WITH TOGGLE SWITCHES, the mounting port is nothing more than a round hole ! At least you'll be able to find a standard TOGGLE switch as a replacement. CHEEKS Get over yourself, arsecheeks ..... Yeah, they're slide switches ... so the phock what? If they're cheap, as you declare, then it will be a cheap replacement, yes???....not to mention, Switchcraft makes the same type of replacement switches. It is not "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" as you make out, and yeah, Epis 3-way toggles are great quality... I'm pretty sure the stock stuff on my BMG are no "cheaper" than the electronics in your Epi Lucille. I think you're just being like a jealous little girl that I have 3 pups that can be on or off in any combo, and phase switching on any of the 3. I, for one, am not worried about the quality of the switches.... a minor worry in the scheme of things. You, sir arsecheeks, should just settle down. Don't touch one of these with a ten foot pole, I could not care less .... I just offered it up as an alternative (hmmm, same idea as you offering up the Lucille as an alternative...Hmmmm)...... I've played my daughter's boyfriend's Lucille at length.... very nice guitar....have played my BMG at much greater length.....absolutely outstanding guitar. Different squeaks for different cheeks, I suppose ....... effoff, jitbag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i Can Tuna Guitar Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Can the 57/57+ be turned from 2 to 4 conductor pickups? Technically, it can be done, where the 2 coils of each pickup be separated and go to separate leads, but it's delicate working with 46 gauge wire. Since stock Epi pickups are a dime a dozen, the risk factor is small if you want to try it. IMO, if coil splitting is important to you, kill 2 stones with one bird and upgrade to better pickups with 4 leads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZep2112 Posted September 6, 2010 Author Share Posted September 6, 2010 Since stock Epi pickups are a dime a dozen theyre gibsons. gibson 57 classic and 57 plus if im understanding you. I want the 57s to be coil tapped if that changes anything. (I can tuna Guitar quote) Kill two stones with one bird. did you say that on purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoss49 Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 If you can find some gibson 57's out of a Epiphone Tribute they are four wire. They should fit your needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZep2112 Posted September 6, 2010 Author Share Posted September 6, 2010 If you can find some gibson 57's out of a Epiphone Tribute they are four wire. They should fit your needs. so the 57s are 2 wire. all rite. I don't know where to get them though. i mean, jeese it comes with the guitar. i dont think anyone would switch those out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeks Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Get over yourself, arsecheeks ..... Yeah, they're slide switches ... so the phock what? If they're cheap, as you declare, then it will be a cheap replacement, yes???....not to mention, Switchcraft makes the same type of replacement switches. It is not "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" as you make out, and yeah, Epis 3-way toggles are great quality... I'm pretty sure the stock stuff on my BMG are no "cheaper" than the electronics in your Epi Lucille. I think you're just being like a jealous little girl that I have 3 pups that can be on or off in any combo, and phase switching on any of the 3. I, for one, am not worried about the quality of the switches.... a minor worry in the scheme of things. You, sir arsecheeks, should just settle down. Don't touch one of these with a ten foot pole, I could not care less .... I just offered it up as an alternative (hmmm, same idea as you offering up the Lucille as an alternative...Hmmmm)...... I've played my daughter's boyfriend's Lucille at length.... very nice guitar....have played my BMG at much greater length.....absolutely outstanding guitar. Different squeaks for different cheeks, I suppose ....... effoff, jitbag Thank you. CHEEKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i Can Tuna Guitar Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Since stock Epi pickups are a dime a dozen theyre gibsons. gibson 57 classic and 57 plus if im understanding you. I want the 57s to be coil tapped if that changes anything. (I can tuna Guitar quote) Kill two stones with one bird. did you say that on purpose? AFAIK, Epiphone Les Paul Standards come stock with Epiphone 2-lead humbuckers. And I'm pretty sure stock Gibson 57s are also 2-lead, whereas aftermarket Gibbys are 4-lead. Yes, I said that on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZep2112 Posted September 6, 2010 Author Share Posted September 6, 2010 AFAIK, Epiphone Les Paul Standards come stock with Epiphone 2-lead humbuckers. And I'm pretty sure stock Gibson 57s are also 2-lead, whereas aftermarket Gibbys are 4-lead. Yes, I said that on purpose. all rite. Il talk to my guitar store tech and see what he would think would be best. thanks for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSDx Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 ya, I havent even heard of slide switches on a guitar, thats something you put on an R/C car. Ahhhh, grasshopper .... slide switches on guitars are nothing new, at all (perhaps a lot of y'all are too young to remember the '60's/'70's?). Very few folks come here and speak positively of Epi electronics ..... oh, the switch needs to be replaced...oh, the jack, oh, the pups, oh the wiring, oh the tuners And a certain someone wants to bleat on about how bad slide switches are on another guitar he's likely never laid hands on. Let's see, the BM switching system has worked for the Dr for, ummmm, over 45+ years, since he built the original. So what, the switches might wear out???? I'll replace them when they do -I ain't chicken little, getting a new guitar and thinking I need to "upgrade" the switch/tuners/jack/pups because I read it on a forum. Sorry, "someone" got me way off topic and on a rant. To the op, I'd just invest in a decent set of replacement pups that are 4 wire, and not have to bother with the troubles of diy...... not that there'sanything wrong with diy, if one has the time/patience/skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeks Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Ahhhh, grasshopper .... slide switches on guitars are nothing new, at all (perhaps a lot of y'all are too young to remember the '60's/'70's?). Very few folks come here and speak positively of Epi electronics ..... oh, the switch needs to be replaced...oh, the jack, oh, the pups, oh the wiring, oh the tuners And a certain someone wants to bleat on about how bad slide switches are on another guitar he's likely never laid hands on. Let's see, the BM switching system has worked for the Dr for, ummmm, over 45+ years, since he built the original. So what, the switches might wear out???? I'll replace them when they do -I ain't chicken little, getting a new guitar and thinking I need to "upgrade" the switch/tuners/jack/pups because I read it on a forum. Sorry, "someone" got me way off topic and on a rant. To the op, I'd just invest in a decent set of replacement pups that are 4 wire, and not have to bother with the troubles of diy...... not that there'sanything wrong with diy, if one has the time/patience/skill. That's probably why the USA military and NASA hardly ever uses a slide switch. They both need reliable switches. CHEEKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymac Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 ya, I havent even heard of slide switches on a guitar, thats something you put on an R/C car. Really??? And since you like Les Pauls: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungrycat Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 That's probably why the USA military and NASA hardly ever uses a slide switch. They both need reliable switches. Yeah, and Fender hasn't blown up two 1.7 Billion dollar spacecraft. So, stop pretending that you know everything about everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midiman56 Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Timidly steps up to the mocrophone to offer another possible suggestion: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-Les-Paul-Traditional-Pro-Electric-Guitar-105939029-i1515777.gc Excellent guitar, upgraded pickups (in comparison to the Epiphone Les Paul Standard ... and already coil-split right out of the box! Jim P.S. - Cheeks, I think the slide switches in your head have oxidized! They are getting "intermittent contacts"... noisey and scratchy... j. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiomitch Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 IMO, if coil splitting is important to you, kill 2 stones with one bird and upgrade to better pickups with 4 leads. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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