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2018 / 2019 J-45 Differences other than pricing?

#1 User is offline   jon_bailey 

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 04:36 AM

I have just placed an order for my dream guitar, a 2018 J-45 ordered from a well known on-line UK store. It will be delivered tomorrow. I decided to take the plunge as the 2019 guitars are now being advertised at £500 more expensive than the 2018 models and yet from what I can see there is no discernible difference between the models? I was reluctant to purchase on line and would have preferred to try the guitar out first, but with such a good saving the guitar is £1699.00 I decided I would never get a chance to buy a brand new J-45 at that kind of price. Is there any difference between the two guitars?
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Posted 10 October 2018 - 07:17 AM

View Postjon_bailey, on 10 October 2018 - 04:36 AM, said:

I have just placed an order for my dream guitar, a 2018 J-45 ordered from a well known on-line UK store. It will be delivered tomorrow. I decided to take the plunge as the 2019 guitars are now being advertised at £500 more expensive than the 2018 models and yet from what I can see there is no discernible difference between the models? I was reluctant to purchase on line and would have preferred to try the guitar out first, but with such a good saving the guitar is £1699.00 I decided I would never get a chance to buy a brand new J-45 at that kind of price. Is there any difference between the two guitars?


I’m not aware of any difference other than price. It wouldn’t be the first time Gibson has raise the price on a J 45 without changing the specs. In the states, it raised the price of the 2018 45s by $350 with no changes.
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Posted 10 October 2018 - 04:42 PM

I don't understand why a company in financial problem continues with these price hikes...I remember six years ago you could get an Advanced Jumbo for less than $2000 and they sold like hot cakes.
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Posted 10 October 2018 - 05:28 PM

View PostAlex_78, on 10 October 2018 - 04:42 PM, said:

I don't understand why a company in financial problem continues with these price hikes..


Probably because the price wasn't high enough to cover their cost to build. ;)
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Posted 10 October 2018 - 05:28 PM

No difference.

I’m at the point were prices are almost past what I feel comfortable paying.
I might get one or two more Gibson Acoustics into the stable and then stay with what I have unless I can find used or NOS that I like.

The J 45 may be the only guitar that keeps a pretty constant price... A good J 45 will never let you down.






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Posted 10 October 2018 - 08:17 PM

View PostAlex_78, on 10 October 2018 - 04:42 PM, said:

I don't understand why a company in financial problem continues with these price hikes...I remember six years ago you could get an Advanced Jumbo for less than $2000 and they sold like hot cakes.


I guess they figured out - when you're losing money - you can't make it up by increasing your volume.
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Posted 10 October 2018 - 08:21 PM

View Postjon_bailey, on 10 October 2018 - 04:36 AM, said:

I have just placed an order for my dream guitar, a 2018 J-45 ordered from a well known on-line UK store. It will be delivered tomorrow. I decided to take the plunge as the 2019 guitars are now being advertised at £500 more expensive than the 2018 models and yet from what I can see there is no discernible difference between the models? I was reluctant to purchase on line and would have preferred to try the guitar out first, but with such a good saving the guitar is £1699.00 I decided I would never get a chance to buy a brand new J-45 at that kind of price. Is there any difference between the two guitars?


Congrats. It's Gibson's best seller for a lot of good reasons! Enjoy.
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 04:21 PM

View Postfortyearspickn, on 10 October 2018 - 08:17 PM, said:

I guess they figured out - when you're losing money - you can't make it up by increasing your volume.


In my opinion this tactic is suicidal: Gibson has been (rightfully) accused to sell overpriced gutiars and got a lot fo hate for it. IMO returning to the old pricing would help, as when Gibson were "affordable" the company was doing well.

I have seen shops with Gibsons unsold for decades.

Also, this story of the model years like in the automotive industry doesn't convince me: a guitar is supposed to be a durable good, not something that after one year is old and replaced by a newer and better model.
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 04:21 PM

View Postfortyearspickn, on 10 October 2018 - 08:17 PM, said:

I guess they figured out - when you're losing money - you can't make it up by increasing your volume.


In my opinion this tactic is suicidal: Gibson has been (rightfully) accused to sell overpriced gutiars and got a lot fo hate for it. IMO returning to the old pricing would help, as when Gibson were "affordable" the company was doing well.

I have seen shops with Gibsons unsold for decades.

Also, this story of the model years like in the automotive industry doesn't convince me: a guitar is supposed to be a durable good, not something that after one year is old and replaced by a newer and better model.
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 04:40 PM

View PostAlex_78, on 11 October 2018 - 04:21 PM, said:

In my opinion this tactic is suicidal: Gibson has been (rightfully) accused to sell overpriced gutiars and got a lot fo hate for it.


Somebody posted a link to Gibson’s ad for a new CEO earlier. You should apply for the job, I’m sure you could turn the company around quickly with your market insights. ;)
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 05:22 PM

View PostBoyd, on 10 October 2018 - 05:28 PM, said:

Probably because the price wasn't high enough to cover their cost to build. ;)

Then; what accounting genius determined that price point? Enough appologizing for bad business decisions.
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 05:43 PM

I'm certainly not "apologizing". For the record, I think Gibson's prices are way too high and I would not even consider buying a new one. The last time I bought a new Gibson was when I got my J-50 Deluxe in 1974 actually. :)

But the fact that I don't like Gibson's prices has nothing to do with what it costs them to build guitars. If they could lower the price and still maintain quality, why wouldn't they just do it?

I was in Guitar Center last month and they didn't have a single Gibson in the acoustic room - I was rather shocked. But there were a lot of Martin's and I was surprised at how many of them were in the ~$500 range. And I was even more surprised by the large number of other acoustics for $200 or less. Looks like Gibson is pricing themselves out of the market, and what sells are guitars in the $500 or less range. I didn't see any guitars in the acoustic room that cost more than $1200 IIRC.

But again, I don't think Gibson can compete with this and build guitars the way they do. That experience made me wonder if we are seeing the beginning of the end for the Gibson acoustic as we've known it.

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 08:23 PM

View PostAlex_78, on 11 October 2018 - 04:21 PM, said:

In my opinion this tactic is suicidal: Gibson has been (rightfully) accused to sell overpriced gutiars and got a lot fo hate for it. IMO returning to the old pricing would help, as when Gibson were "affordable" the company was doing well.

I have seen shops with Gibsons unsold for decades.

Also, this story of the model years like in the automotive industry doesn't convince me: a guitar is supposed to be a durable good, not something that after one year is old and replaced by a newer and better model.


Off the top of my head, I would say any shop that has unsold new Gibson Acoustics hanging the wall for decades - is doing something wrong.
'Affordable' is, of course, a purely subjective concept. Some people think a new Mercedes is affordable, some don't. The judgement is more a function of the customers finances than the price itself.
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 12:44 AM

Congrats on buying the iconIc J45!
I doubt there is a difference, just a price increase.
None of us like when prices rise.... well, maybe I don’t mind it as it makes my existing Martins and Gibsons more valuable. Both companies regularly increase their prices. The street price for a J45 or a D18 is pretty close... and both are more affordable than they were decades ago, when you consider metrics like “how many days or weeks earnings” to pay for one.
Gibson has been making less expensive entries recently... as has Martin. Smart to do so. We are in a golden age as far as being guitar consumers. You can get a heck of an Alvarez or Yamaha for $500. A heck of an Eastman for $1000. A heck of a Gibson for $1500....
And you can choose to save and own a D18 or J45 or Bird...
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 01:15 AM

How many DAYS earnings 😂
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 03:16 AM

blindboygrunt said:

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How many DAYS earnings 😂



Well... I mean... like 60 days earnings.... not 1...
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 05:34 AM

I do not give a fig what Gibson charges as chances of me buying anything new from any builder are pretty slim. Nor am I any kind of a marketing strategy guru.

Interesting though as while Gibson edges prices of the "standard" line up and up they are coming out with new lower price series such as that Studio line. That J45 Studio has got to be the cheapest J45 they are offering. And as any music shop will tell you it is not the $5K Hummingbird Vintage that is their bread and butter but the $1500 J45 Studio.
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 05:41 AM

There may not be any difference. Perhaps prices go down on previous model because sellers need a certain volume to be advertized as authorized Gibby dealer? Means they have to throw their previous stocks.
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 06:31 AM

View Postjon_bailey, on 10 October 2018 - 04:36 AM, said:

I decided to take the plunge as the 2019 guitars are now being advertised at £500 more expensive than the 2018 models and yet from what I can see there is no discernible difference between the models?


First - congrats on the guitar, they're phenomenal and hopefully it suits you right! Second, I noticed the same thing last year between the '17 and new '18 models w/ the price going up about $600 US w/o any discernable differences. I took the plunge and got a new one. I love it, happy I did it. I'm still coveting a couple more Gibby models, but going forward, with these prices it's looking like it's going to be the used market for me.
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 06:43 AM

View PostAlex_78, on 10 October 2018 - 04:42 PM, said:

I don't understand why a company in financial problem continues with these price hikes...I remember six years ago you could get an Advanced Jumbo for less than $2000 and they sold like hot cakes.


Its called greed.
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