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6 Digit CS serial numbers How can 6 digit CS serial numbers be interpreted?

#1 User is offline   Serf2ndClass 

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:53 AM

I bought a new ES-330L about a month ago, great guitar!

I have a question about the new 6 digit CS serial numbers. All of the serial number de-coders I have read about state that CS production serial numbers will always be CS followed by 5 digits, where the first digit is the year.

The serial number on my guitar is CS15xxxx.
I take this to mean made in 2011, but I can't beleive the CS knocked out 50000+ guitars in 2011 so what do the other 5 digits mean?
I've seen this on a lot of CS guitars now (ones I looked at when buying), Also I know someone with a cs-356 which is CS103xxx.

Incidentally, does anyone have the original spec or any Gibson released details on the es-330L? As it's now out of production I can't find anything apart from the dealer info.

Thanks in advance.
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:09 PM

http://www.gibson.co...alNumberSearch/

This may help.
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 01:46 AM

Tell me how it helps. Did you read my post?
My full serial number is CS154648, I have it in front of me right now so that's definitely the number.

Custom Shop regular production models
CSYRRRR
CS stands for "Custom Shop"
Y indicates the production year
RRRR indicates the guitar's place in the sequence of production

Example: CS10845 is the 845th reg. production CS model produced in 2001.


So my guitar is Custom Shop production number 54648 from 2011?? Sounds like a lot of guitars to me!
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:43 AM

Hi,

For Memphis serial numbers; CS05 stands for 2010 and CS15 stands for 2011.

No more info available about the rest of the digits though.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:53 AM

Thanks Stijn, So are you confirming that the 5 indicates a Memphis guitar?
I was guessing that the '5' is either for Memphis. or perhaps for the 330, but it would be nice if this could be confirmed 100%

I have emailed Gibson, and although this may be completely uninteresting to most on this forum, I am very curious to confirm.
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 08:03 AM

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Welcome.

In case you missed it by his avatar - Stijn is with Gibson C/S.

I have a ES Memphis guitar I bought last year - CS05xxxx


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 08:16 AM

Yes I realised that shortly after I had written my response.

Presumably one doesn't have to be an employee of Gibson to use that Avatar, but the group "Customer Services Team" clinches it.
I'm new to these forums as you can see.

Anyway, It's pretty clear to me that "5" is Memphis and probably "0" is Nashville, but the wording of the response is slightly vague if this is the case. I don't really understand why Gibson doesn't either make their serial numbers completely obscure and stop publishing them, if it's counterfeits they are worried about, or explain fully and update descriptions of the method, which is clearly a new one.
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 08:27 AM

View PostSerf2ndClass, on 14 March 2012 - 08:16 AM, said:

.... I don't really understand why Gibson doesn't either make their serial numbers completely obscure and stop publishing them, if it's counterfeits they are worried about, or explain fully and update descriptions of the method, which is clearly a new one.


No argument here. I don't think the cause is worry about counterfeits. Gibson's history with serial numbers is a nightmare. They've tried to clean it up since the mid-70s, but they keep sticking in changes for limited/special runs/editions, reissues, commemorative editions, signature editions and Custom Shop pieces. And to make matters worse, the documentation of these 'out of normal format' numbers is lacking to say the least. Unfortunately the community and customers are the last to know what's going on - sometimes by years.


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 02:00 PM

Gibson USA serial numbers are pretty straightforward. It's the Custom Shop numbering that is so very weird. Both Nashville and Memphis have their own numbering systems and styles. Some are printed or embossed on the back of the headstock and others are only on the label inside the body. All the limited runs are truly one off serials.

At least they are consistent with their inconsistencies.
2011 Gibson Custom Shop ES-355
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1999 Fender Hot Rodded Precision Bass
1998 Fender Telecaster
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 02:13 PM

View PostSunburst PB, on 14 March 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

Gibson USA serial numbers are pretty straightforward. .....


"Pretty" ..... except for some of those pesky "special" models like the Les Paul Classic and "centennials", and the move from 8 to 9 numbers in 2005. . B)


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 06:51 PM

If the guitar has a label inside, the label itself should say either "Memphis" or "Nashville" at the bottom. That should be enough to tell you where it was built.
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 07:47 PM

I don't really follow the ES line much, but as I understand it, all ES models are made in Memphis. Bodies for historic ES guitars ('59 & '63 reissues) begin life in Memphis and are then sent to Nashville for completion. These do not have serial numbers on the back of the headstock.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 04:35 AM

View Postj45nick, on 14 March 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

If the guitar has a label inside, the label itself should say either "Memphis" or "Nashville" at the bottom. That should be enough to tell you where it was built.


Yes I already knew where my guitar was made, and I already knew what year it was made, but it's nice to have an explanation of what the serial number means isn't it? We now know (more or less) that since about 2010 Memphis numbering starts from 50000, there is Gibson precident for this sort of numbering scheme I think.

R9, I think you're right about the ES's. Memphis Custom shop basically does the production ES's, solids and historics done in Nashvillle.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:20 AM

Maybe the 15xxxx means Memphis, 2011 year, and xxxx is the production number. Does that make sense?
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Posted 13 November 2014 - 11:21 AM

View PostSerf2ndClass, on 14 March 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:

Tell me how it helps. Did you read my post?
My full serial number is CS154648, I have it in front of me right now so that's definitely the number.

Custom Shop regular production models
CSYRRRR
CS stands for "Custom Shop"
Y indicates the production year
RRRR indicates the guitar's place in the sequence of production

Example: CS10845 is the 845th reg. production CS model produced in 2001.


So my guitar is Custom Shop production number 54648 from 2011?? Sounds like a lot of guitars to me!



I have the same question,with a 6 digit serial. Anyone help ? serial cs104260 cs yrrrr with my serial csyyrrrr so year 10 = 2010 production number 4260 ?
really 4260 custom LP's made in 2010 ? or as some say year 2001 production number 4260 ?
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Posted 13 November 2014 - 12:31 PM

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Originally CSYRRRR.

But now that both Nashville and Memphis are issuing CS numbers, the forumula is CSYXRRRR
where CS is Custom Shop; . Y is the year of manufacture; . X is the location of the CS; . and RRRR is the production rank. . . . X=> . 0=Nashville . 5=Memphis

Gibson is notoriously slow at update the info on their website.

CS 104260

The first digit in the serial is the last digit of the year of manufacture - a 1 so probably 2011

The second digit is 0 which means the guitar was built/finished in Nashville

The next four digits are the production rank = 4260


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Posted 06 January 2016 - 09:41 AM

Hi! I just purchased Gibson ES339 Custom Shop, the serial number is CS050323 - I cannot find any clear information about this model... My guitar has diamond inlay on the headstock and I can't really find any pictures or information about this guitar... Can anyone help me out with this one?

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Posted 06 January 2016 - 09:56 AM

I think it says 0 for 2010, 5 for Memphis, and 0323 for the 323rd guitar made at the Gibson Memphis Custom Shop in 2010.
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Posted 06 January 2016 - 10:12 AM

Perhaps you might find this interesting: http://archive.gibso...stom%20Proudly/
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Posted 06 January 2016 - 10:38 AM

View Postyatzol, on 06 January 2016 - 09:41 AM, said:

Hi! I just purchased Gibson ES339 Custom Shop, the serial number is CS050323 - I cannot find any clear information about this model... My guitar has diamond inlay on the headstock and I can't really find any pictures or information about this guitar... Can anyone help me out with this one?


Look at the orange label inside the bass side F-hole. I bet it is an ES359 not a 339. CS050323 will "probably" be a 2010 made in Memphis and the 323rd one from that run.
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