blindboygrunt Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Just thinking he hadn't posted lately. Any you guys know if he's still strumming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarrr Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Since introduction of the 2012 D18.... CF Martin Co has come alive with new products. hint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatbaroque Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Missing some quality blues since the big feller has gone walkabout. Is Tarr hinting at activity on the UMGF?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I'm still here! There hasn't been much going on here but, as starting a thread about me would indicate! I have been interested in 2 Gibson L-00 style guitars recently - both made by another company, which can drive people here crazy: The Martin CEO7: I was wandering past St Paul's and a woman grabbed me by the arm and I played the CEO7 in the local shop about a year ago.....uhh ohh.... At the recent NAMM, Martin announced new models and it was mentioned that the CEO7 would be replaced in the line up by a CEO8. So I rang the local music shoppe to be told that they were awaiting the very last one to come to these shores and I told them to put my name on it! Almost 3 weeks ago it arrived! Sensational guitar for my playing style - here is a test track I recorded when it was new - Mahogany and Adi top: So the other Gibson style guitar made by another company that has been a runaway success it the Waterloo WL14. New copy of a Kalamazoo KG14: I want the ladder braced, T-Bar version in Black finish and have been just told that it will be at least 12 months if ordered today! Pfft! We want it NOW, not a year when we have run out of GAS!!!!! So I will keep my eyes peeled for a used WL14LTB, because people don't read the specs and details and will get the large V neck home and find plenty to whine about and hopefully sell it on! And I will have it! So there you go! BluesKing777. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedzep Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Hey guys...someone's apparently hit the lottery. We can live vicariously through you, BK, although I was recently ready to dig deep and Ebuy a '46 martin 0018 that had a square hole cut into the side next to the heel, probably for a pu install. I bailed at $1800 but am now tortured with hesitaters remorse. That was MY freakin' guitar, dammit! Maybe it's just as well. I would have had to part with an old L0 to afford. Enjoy your new stuff, BK. I'll still never get the ladder-braced thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarrr Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 disclaimer, I don't get the brand loyalty thing no matter when where, its about the wood. A year ago I began moving from Collings to CFM, now have the M36, 000-17SM, 2014 000-18, and 2014 OM21. note: I play my 59' LG3 almost every day and love that box. Last year I sold my Goodall Standard because my Eastman AC530 jumbo is better. beat goes on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Ha, JZ! Hesitater's Remorse!!!!!! (the dreaded HR!) Fear of all geetar pickers No lottery win here, JZ, not from lack of trying, but I'm still not smoking and the smoke money is going on .......acoustic guitars and accessories. And it is incredible just how much I blew on chokers - when I gave up, I promised myself to put the choke dough in to the guitar fund....WOW and Wowie! I didn't really think I would last this long and accumulate so many guitars, but that has made me so much more determined to stay off possibly one of the hardest things to give up..... The 2 guitars I mention above are actually fairly well priced for new instruments, and I'm sure a canny bargainer could find a real good deal when they sell second hand, but that is not and never me because the seller can tell a desperate guitar buyer from 50 paces, so I often manage to beat them higher. So I too have looked at vintage 00-18s, but......they have 1 11/16" nut and narrowish bridge space unless you get the above-mentioned lottery and go for the very early numbers. Which is the reason for the CEO7 coming to my house - as said by Todd Phillips - the CEO7 is like a golden era re-issue of a guitar that was never made: 1 3/4" nut, 2 5/16" bridge spacing, thinned Adi top and braces, ebony board and bridge and faceplate - perfect picker! A Gibson that sounds like a Martin - I just had to have it! And on paper, the specs would suggest it was exactly the same guitar as my 1937 Gibson L-0, but as you would guess, it it not one single thing like it. All fun. And ladder bracing as in the Kalamazoos and the new Waterloos, is great for slide and country blues. Have a look if you can at the Master, Steve James, playing the Waterloo I want: http://www.acousticguitar.com/NAMM-Sessions/Acoustic-Guitar-Sessions-NAMM-2015-Steve-James BluesKing777. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewilyfool Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 That Waterloo can't touch my Harmony Sovereign 1203!!!!: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/msg/4892477237.html (I AM affiliated with the seller…It's ME!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedzep Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Not sure many here would disagree with your brand loyalty comment, Tarr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedzep Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Yeah, BK...I thought you'd calm down for a while after getting the L0 back in the house, but it seems to have stoked a search. Smoke money for guitar money? That's a winner! No contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I got plenty of brand loyalty! Narrowed down over the years to Gibson, Martin, National, Dobro and plenty of leeway there! (well enough to drive a guitarist crazy ) Some of the chickens are going to have to go - feed is getting expensive. BluesKing777. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambler Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I wouldnt bother with the CEO-7, BK Not, that is, is you are looking for Gibsony tones. That little box may look like an L00 but it is voiced like a 00-18 (hands on first impression). May as well have a 0018v. Both are nice boxes but not my particular cup of tea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 How dare you all talk about other brands.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I wouldnt bother with the CEO-7, BK Not, that is, is you are looking for Gibsony tones. That little box may look like an L00 but it is voiced like a 00-18 (hands on first impression). May as well have a 0018v. Both are nice boxes but not my particular cup of tea. I got the Gibson small body covered and a spare or 2! But 50 odd pages on UMGF and then I played one - intriguing. The CEO7 is the same size as a Gibson L-00, which is a smidgen larger than a Martin 00 (18v) - halfway between the M size 00 and the 000. The 00-18v is Sitka topped while the CEO7 is Adi while the list price of the CEO7 is about 700 bucks cheaper than the 00-18v...... CEO7 has a wonderful fat cheeked mod V neck with 1 3/4" nut and 2 5/16" bridge spacing while the 00-18v has bridge spacing of 2 1/4". The CEO7 is a limited edition and the neck and space are very nice for these hands and fingerpicking, but definitely not a guitar for those that don't like fat V necks... Lots of complaints on those Mod Vs! But of course, the main thing is I played it at the shop and... WANTED it.... BluesKing777. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurfbird Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Hey Tarrr, How you liking that M36? I bought one this past summer and I find it's fantastic but must have new strings to fully shine so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I got the Gibson small body covered and a spare or 2! But 50 odd pages on UMGF and then I played one - intriguing. The CEO7 is the same size as a Gibson L-00, which is a smidgen larger than a Martin 00 (18v) - halfway between the M size 00 and the 000. The 00-18v is Sitka topped while the CEO7 is Adi while the list price of the CEO7 is about 700 bucks cheaper than the 00-18v...... CEO7 has a wonderful fat cheeked mod V neck with 1 3/4" nut and 2 5/16" bridge spacing while the 00-18v has bridge spacing of 2 1/4". The CEO7 is a limited edition and the neck and space are very nice for these hands and fingerpicking, but definitely not a guitar for those that don't like fat V necks... Lots of complaints on those Mod Vs! But of course, the main thing is I played it at the shop and... WANTED it....�� BluesKing777. Ive been straying away abit too...:) 41 authentic and a D45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayoubengal1954 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Ha, JZ! Hesitater's Remorse!!!!!! (the dreaded HR!) Fear of all geetar pickers No lottery win here, JZ, not from lack of trying, but I'm still not smoking and the smoke money is going on .......acoustic guitars and accessories. And it is incredible just how much I blew on chokers - when I gave up, I promised myself to put the choke dough in to the guitar fund....WOW and Wowie! I didn't really think I would last this long and accumulate so many guitars, but that has made me so much more determined to stay off possibly one of the hardest things to give up..... The 2 guitars I mention above are actually fairly well priced for new instruments, and I'm sure a canny bargainer could find a real good deal when they sell second hand, but that is not and never me because the seller can tell a desperate guitar buyer from 50 paces, so I often manage to beat them higher. So I too have looked at vintage 00-18s, but......they have 1 11/16" nut and narrowish bridge space unless you get the above-mentioned lottery and go for the very early numbers. Which is the reason for the CEO7 coming to my house - as said by Todd Phillips - the CEO7 is like a golden era re-issue of a guitar that was never made: 1 3/4" nut, 2 5/16" bridge spacing, thinned Adi top and braces, ebony board and bridge and faceplate - perfect picker! A Gibson that sounds like a Martin - I just had to have it! And on paper, the specs would suggest it was exactly the same guitar as my 1937 Gibson L-0, but as you would guess, it it not one single thing like it. All fun. And ladder bracing as in the Kalamazoos and the new Waterloos, is great for slide and country blues. Have a look if you can at the Master, Steve James, playing the Waterloo I want: http://www.acousticguitar.com/NAMM-Sessions/Acoustic-Guitar-Sessions-NAMM-2015-Steve-James BluesKing777. Hey BK--I've got the Burst Waterloo WL-14 with the Ladder Braced with Truss Rod and it is a boat full of fun! I do have to adjust to the neck for a little while if I have just played another one of my other guitars, but it doesn't take long. Sorry about the long wait on the black ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarrr Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Hopefully, I haven't offended anyone here on the board with my comments. I have been a loyal Gibson player since 1967 and owned a bunch over the years. Like many of you Ren Ferguson is someone who I feel is one of the top luthiers in the world, he had his hands tied behind his back by the owner of Gibson, real shame. Most manufacturing companies measure their on-going success by the % of sales which come from new products. A new pickguard is not a new product. Other companies are thriving with innovative new products, my point is that Gibson is sitting watching the world go by, not a good idea in this day of world economy ifkwim, times they are a changin Smurfbird, the M36 is my dread these days, similar to an HD28 less the heavy bass, fantastic is right. It has had the forward shifted X and scalloped bracing for many years, always wanted one. Reminds me of my of my former Songwriters Deluxe which I have regretted selling for a long time now, kickin the sand on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Yep, just plain evil, you lot! But a Martin CEO7 AND a Waterloo WL14L together, plus an little amp maybe, and strings, picks....are cheaper than ONE Gibson L-00 37 reissue....... $4,999!!! BluesKing777. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedzep Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Am I hearing a quantity over quality argument here, BK? If you could only keep 2 of your guitars which would you choose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Am I hearing a quantity over quality argument here, BK? If you could only keep 2 of your guitars which would you choose? Impossible question to answer, JZ..... First, the Martin CEO7 is beautiful quality, but the Waterloo and the L-00 reissue are nowhere to be seen/tried/played in my neck of the planet and I get the impression they will be available at the first moon base before they come here, so I can't give my opinion on those 2. So...only allowed 2? Not very fair! What about lucky 7? To me, the various acoustics I have are very specialised for the different music styles I have attempted to learn within the fingerpicking umbrella, some success, some failure - so I think it would be easier at my age to set a match to the whole lot, claim the insurance 😊 ..... Then proceed to figure out what would be the best 2 acoustic guitars for me now, this moment, this very minute...and because the lot would be worth a fair stack, see where I am going..... I could trade my little Monopoly houses for 2 rows of hotels on Park Lane, so to speak...... Then we could agonise over the vintage guitar/new guitar question.... 2 new guitars or 1 vintage, 1 new...or 2 vintage. So, one needs to be for bottleneck playing, so probably a National....vintage Tricone possibly.... And the other needs to be an all rounder for fingerpicking everything from country blues to anything that takes my fancy......needs a lot more thought...... BluesKing777. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedzep Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 OK..I'll give you the lap slide as your third. Your playing styles and strong skills notwithstanding, you still have to bring it down to 2. Choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 OK..I'll give you the lap slide as your third. Your playing styles and strong skills notwithstanding, you still have to bring it down to 2. Choose. Tough decision..... I have a dubious Hummingbird copy for acoustic beater and a Godin 5th Ave archtop for electric beater, but apart from that my other guitars are beautiful and impossible to choose from except for the one with the newest strings!!! So, as a perspective, one friend said the tone of my National Tricone was dripping with nectar of the gods and the most beautiful acoustic guitar he had ever heard, and then he wandered off on a buying frenzy...... Another friend would sell body parts for my Gibson L-0..... The Better Half likes the old 76 metal body (shiny!) Dobro..... Another friend heard me playing in a good moment on my Martin OM28 Marquis and couldn't believe what he was hearing and wandered off on a buying frenzy of his own eventually pegging 2 Martins! I am incredibly spoiled......but lately I have been having trouble putting the Martin CEO7 down, maybe a honeymoon period and a mission to break in the new Adi top.... My guitar tech said my L-0 was a 'killer' and previously said my 59 LG3 was the best guitar I had......so far he hasn't seen my Martins...all set up nicely as they came..... Nope..can't decide, JZ! I love all of them and really appreciate them after a lifetime of learning guitar..... BUT.... If I was starting again today, playing gigs with equal amounts of solo acoustic fingerpicking blues/vocal and solo bottleneck/vocal....I would buy the lightest to carry, least to worry about and sound good: The Martin CEO7 for standard tuning and for slide/open tunings, I would be interested in a Waterloo WL14 ladder braced. Passive Fishman pickup in both to run through my Fishman Aura pedal or my little A&H 4 channel mixer...... Subject to change without notice! BluesKing777. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedzep Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Now I want to shop. Wish I hadn't asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Now I want to shop. Wish I hadn't asked. Could you control yourself and wallet enough to wander in to a music shop and give a spin to a 00-18, a 00-18v and the maybe flukey to find CEO7? I would be interested to hear a fellow Gibson L-0 lovers opinion..... BluesKing777. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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