Sgt. Pepper Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 44 minutes ago, PrairieDog said: Geeze, I said get a used, 60-70 dollar yamaha. There are folks who literally p*** away more than that on coffee every couple of weeks. Heck, he might be able to borrow one from his library for that matter, you could here. Kudos you were able to learn it. It might have been faster on a bigger neck guitar, but we’ll never know. He already was anticipating getting another one, so all I did was offer him a cheap option so he could transition easier to better guitars or the one he already has. So really what are you arguing about? Why buy junk you don't want or need? Why practice on a guitar with a different scale and spacing and neck width than what you will be playing on? I guess logic is to difficult for you. Will his tender findertips feel much better on nylon gut stings, sure, but he's probably now trying to be Andres Segovia. or Paco De Lucia. Do race car drivers who drive Fords run practice laps in a Toyota? Do baseball players use softballs in practice instead of the ones they will be using during a game? If he wants another guitar he is a grown up and can buy one. Edited June 2 by Sgt. Pepper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrairieDog Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 10 minutes ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Why buy junk you don't want or need? Why practice on a guitar with a different scale and spacing and neck width than what you will be playing on? I guess logic is to difficult for you. Will his tender findertips feel much better on nylon gut stings, sure, but he's probably now trying to be Andres Segovia. or Paco De Lucia. Do race car drivers who drive Fords run practice laps in a Toyota? Do baseball players use softballs in practice instead of the ones they will be using during a game? If he wants another guitar he is a grown up and can buy one. Dude, for godsakes, it’s just a suggestion! He already knows how to play guitar, HE will do whatever he wants. You and I are just static in the wind. He just bought a several thousand dollar guitar, do you really think $60 is going to be what puts him in the poor house? He can give it some kid or the thrift store when he is done with it. It wouldn’t have to go to waste. So, you never touched a toy piano, one of those colorful xylophones, or a given a “flutophone” in school? You spun all your 45s on a Bose surround system, instead of a tolex covered box when you opened an arm popped up? And you took your driving lessons in a Maserati? Eye-roll. Practice instruments are just that… Sometimes learning something can go faster with a bit of extra cost, like lessons, or gasp, easier to play cheap instruments. Settle down. Why do you get so upset when folks do things differently than you? Why do you even care what some rando on the internet says? We are all adults mostly making our own choices without worrying, “what would Sarge do?” 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 hours ago, Sgt. Pepper said: The sad emoji fairy is back, sprinkling sad faces on my posts. How old are we here, over 18 most of us, so adults? I know forming a thought and typing it out is hard and its just easier to click on a face to show how you feel. Sad that the Sad Emoji Dude is back ... sort of a chicken shyte way to anonymously disagree with someone instead of, like the parents of a 5 year old would say "Use your words." ! But I think the real obsessive one had left the building a while ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Back to topic - Classical guitarists over the centuries have spent a lot of time figuring out how to hold a guitar, how wide the fingerboard should be as well as the wood and bracing. They fingerpick mostly. So - conventional wisdom is - a little wider is a little easier. If you believe that - you don't have to buy a cheap classical to convince yourself of it, and you'll fingerpick on what you've got. I think Dr. Pepper's point is "Love The One You're With". As opposed to "Test Drive A Hooker" before the Prom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrairieDog Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 29 minutes ago, fortyearspickn said: Back to topic - Classical guitarists over the centuries have spent a lot of time figuring out how to hold a guitar, how wide the fingerboard should be as well as the wood and bracing. They fingerpick mostly. So - conventional wisdom is - a little wider is a little easier. If you believe that - you don't have to buy a cheap classical to convince yourself of it, and you'll fingerpick on what you've got. I think Dr. Pepper's point is "Love The One You're With". As opposed to "Test Drive A Hooker" before the Prom. Okay, okay, dang it, I guess my 50 years of guitar playing has been utterly worthless and horrid because I learned to fingerpick John Denver and King Crimson on a cheap Yamaha classical, the only one available to me. How embarrassing. I can’t believe I even deigned to buy or play “real guitars” later…. Whatever was I thinking even opining the process might work for anyone else? You all seem pretty convinced it didn’t work for me. (Don’t recall ever having you guys over for a jam… but the mind slips.) Okay, I’ll just sell off my all other guitars in shame. The ones ranging from a 1.5 inch nut to a baseball bat that I obviously can’t really play because I learned so wrong on that trashy, low rent, low class, Yamaha. 😆 Edited June 2 by PrairieDog 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olie Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 3 hours ago, PrairieDog said: Geeze, I said get a used, 60-70 dollar yamaha. There are folks who literally p*** away more than that on coffee every couple of weeks. Heck, he might be able to borrow one from his library for that matter, you could here. Kudos you were able to learn it. It might have been faster on a bigger neck guitar, but we’ll never know. He already was anticipating getting another one, so all I did was offer him a cheap option so he could transition easier to better guitars or the one he already has. So really what are you arguing about? He's just arguing for its own sake. Likes to be heard. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, fortyearspickn said: Back to topic - Classical guitarists over the centuries have spent a lot of time figuring out how to hold a guitar, how wide the fingerboard should be as well as the wood and bracing. They fingerpick mostly. So - conventional wisdom is - a little wider is a little easier. If you believe that - you don't have to buy a cheap classical to convince yourself of it, and you'll fingerpick on what you've got. I think Dr. Pepper's point is "Love The One You're With". As opposed to "Test Drive A Hooker" before the Prom. That’s funny. I’d post an emoji but I identify as a straight heterosexual male, so I’ll pass. Edited June 2 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 12 minutes ago, olie said: He's just arguing for its own sake. Likes to be heard. Well yeah, but the guys just spend good money on the guitar he obviously wanted, and the advice is buy another one to learn on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 hour ago, PrairieDog said: Okay, okay, dang it, I guess my 50 years of guitar playing has been utterly worthless and horrid because I learned to fingerpick John Denver and King Crimson on a cheap Yamaha classical, the only one available to me. How embarrassing. I can’t believe I even deigned to buy or play “real guitars” later…. Whatever was I thinking even opining the process might work for anyone else? You all seem pretty convinced it didn’t work for me. (Don’t recall ever having you guys over for a jam… but the mind slips.) Okay, I’ll just sell off my all other guitars in shame. The ones ranging from a 1.5 inch nut to a baseball bat that I obviously can’t really play because I learned so wrong on that trashy, low rent, low class, Yamaha. 😆 Damn I want to hear you play Fractured from the Starless And Bible Black album. Especially on a $60 dollar beach beater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWG4927 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 hour ago, PrairieDog said: Okay, I’ll just sell off my all other guitars in shame. Sorry you bit on the troll’s bait. . . as a relative newbie, you didn’t know that it’s not guitar porn he’s here for, it’s this. And that he did this on an NGD = loser. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruger9 Posted June 2 Author Share Posted June 2 2 hours ago, PrairieDog said: Settle down. Why do you get so upset when folks do things differently than you? Why do you even care what some rando on the internet says? We are all adults mostly making our own choices without worrying, “what would Sarge do?” +1. Yeah, I've been playing for 40 years. Primarily electric, never really ventured into acoustic fingerpicking territory. It's just never been my bag, baby. But it definitely won't with the SJ, if I ever decide to go there. Unless I found one with a 1-11/16" nut and thin neck... like a Taylor (oh no he didn't!!) 😆 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 4 hours ago, PrairieDog said: Geeze, I said get a used, 60-70 dollar yamaha. There are folks who literally p*** away more than that on coffee every couple of weeks. Heck, he might be able to borrow one from his library for that matter, you could here. Kudos you were able to learn it. It might have been faster on a bigger neck guitar, but we’ll never know. He already was anticipating getting another one, so all I did was offer him a cheap option so he could transition easier to better guitars or the one he already has. So really what are you arguing about? Look at it this way. Someone buys a brand new Porsche 911. Do they need to go out and buy a less expensive Honda Civic to learn how to drive it? But okay you guys win. Your right. Hey OP go out and get another guitar, I’m onboard now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 3 hours ago, ruger9 said: +1. Yeah, I've been playing for 40 years. Primarily electric, never really ventured into acoustic fingerpicking territory. It's just never been my bag, baby. But it definitely won't with the SJ, if I ever decide to go there. Unless I found one with a 1-11/16" nut and thin neck... like a Taylor (oh no he didn't!!) 😆 Lindsey Buckingham plays Taylor’s and he does not suck. In fact he’s one of the most insane players on the planet. I sat second row for a show of his several years back. My jaw dropped several times during the show. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWG4927 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 44 minutes ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Lindsey Buckingham plays Taylor’s and he does not suck. In fact he’s one of the most insane players on the planet. I sat second row for a show of his several years back. My jaw dropped several times during the show. Lindsey! (As Jack Black said in School of Rock) . I thought he built his own guitar, which has it’s own signature sound? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 minutes ago, JWG4927 said: Lindsey! (As Jack Black said in School of Rock) . I thought he built his own guitar, which has its own signature sound? I forget the company that built his electric guitars. Maybe he was thinking of Brian May of Queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Rick Turner built him a special guitar to be an all in one as far as what sounds he wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruger9 Posted June 2 Author Share Posted June 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Lindsey Buckingham plays Taylor’s and he does not suck. In fact he’s one of the most insane players on the planet. I sat second row for a show of his several years back. My jaw dropped several times during the show. I said nothing disparaging about Taylors. Fantastic guitars. Altho I'm not a fan of what Andy is doing to the brand with his "V-Class" bracing... Edited June 2 by ruger9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 38 minutes ago, ruger9 said: I said nothing disparaging about Taylors. Fantastic guitars. Altho I'm not a fan of what Andy is doing to the brand with his "V-Class" bracing... I got no issues with Taylor. Never heard and negative press on that company. Gibson tho? Mmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 Another thread disrupted by the Gibson Basher! Proof again - It's easier to tear down rather than build up. Easier to criticize others ideas than to put your own suggestions out there. We see that in politics every day. Some of these threads get more heated than political ones have. Every one of us started out on a cheap guitar. My 2nd was a classical. I found it was much easier to learn on than a traditional steel string acoustic, favored fingerpicking over pick, and will recommend classical guitars to people starting out. If someone told me they were primarily an electric player and wanted to become a finger picker - I'd likely suggest the same thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 I didn’t even have a cheap Guitar when I started playing.. I couldn’t afford a Guitar when I was a kid.. I learned to play on my rich friends Guitars.. Later I played Guitars in the Army at the EM Clubs.. I bought my first Acoustic after I got home from Vietnam. It was a cheap knockoff Hummingbird that actually played & sounded pretty good.. I’m lucky now I can have just about any Guitar I want.. And I do have a pretty nice Collection of my dream Guitars.. I don’t regret those days.. It makes me appreciate what I have now.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 1 hour ago, Larsongs said: Later I played Guitars in the Army at the EM Clubs.. Yes yes, I remember you - enthusiastic, talented and fond of capos and chocolate soft ice. . - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 🤓 - Only joking Larsongs - and most of us know it - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 hour ago, Larsongs said: I don’t regret those days.. It makes me appreciate what I have now.. Not a bad path to go and you aren't alone. Climbing the stairs step by step achieving better and better guitars is one of the pleasures in life. For a young person to get a high-end instrument when they can barely handle 4 chords is out of cozmik balance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky1 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 On 6/1/2024 at 10:33 AM, Dave F said: Great looking guitar! I've always liked the looks of an SJ. I'm on my third one which is rosewood with the aged top and I like it. The other two were nice but didn't get the sound I wanted. I've been wanting to find a hog one with e aged top, either artificially or naturally. I may need to hunt down one like yours or order one. Oh man, The “Honky Tonk Deuce”! I love it!👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 As is not all that unusual I am a bit confused. I thought that the Gibson Original Series instruments sported the standard Bozeman 1.72" nut. So wider than a 1 11/16" but skimpier than a 1 3/4". My first slope shoulder Gibson Jumbo though was a 1956 Southerner Jumbo. So, I have always had a bit of a soft spot for them. This is the one Gibson that even though I foolishly traded it off many years ago (if I recall it went for a 1946 LG2) I still miss and which really brought it home that some of the worst mistakes I have ever made were trading/selling certain guitars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruger9 Posted June 15 Author Share Posted June 15 (edited) 9 hours ago, zombywoof said: As is not all that unusual I am a bit confused. I thought that the Gibson Original Series instruments sported the standard Bozeman 1.72" nut. So wider than a 1 11/16" but skimpier than a 1 3/4". My first slope shoulder Gibson Jumbo though was a 1956 Southerner Jumbo. So, I have always had a bit of a soft spot for them. This is the one Gibson that even though I foolishly traded it off many years ago (if I recall it went for a 1946 LG2) I still miss and which really brought it home that some of the worst mistakes I have ever made were trading/selling certain guitars. Technically correct, tho IMO if feels like a 1-3/4", not a 1-11/16". It's kind of amazing how sensitive we guitar players can be to these minute differences. 1-11/16" = 1.6875 (6 hundredths smaller than 1-3/4") Gibson Original series 1.72 (3 hundredths smaller than 1-3/4) 1-3/4" = 1.75 ...as you can see, it's much closer to 1-3/4", IMO as to be effectively called 1-3/4". I have guitars with nuts of 1-5/8, 1-11/16, 1.72, 1-3/4. The latter two are virtually identical, especially when compared to the former two. Edited June 15 by ruger9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 When I worked in Accounting/Finance, we had a motto: Measure with a micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with an axe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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