Cruznolfart Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Sorry you took offense. I guess I just believe in thinking about other things beyond my own comfort. I was brought up that way. Drive what you want' date=' man, and thanks for serving our country.[/quote'] I didn't take offense, not even at your summation that I consider my own comfort more important than "other things". I explained our situation in very specific terms that should have given you some insight into our priorities. But your reply clearly indicates your belief that we are self-indulgent and not "good Americans" like yourself. But, again, no offense intended nor taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grampa Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Only a few years ago' date=' my wife wrapped her car around a tree..........hit it with the drivers side front door......3 feet off the ground, at an estimated speed of 80 mph........('] Isn't 80 mph a bit over most speed limits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mick Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I want a hot tod! This guy's name is Tod. As far as hot thats your call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymisterk Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 The bottom line in my thinking is that we need to use less oil and pollute less. I believe we owe it to our future generations to be good stewards of the earth. I know this is going to sound like liberal alarmism to many of you, but when you read REAL science, you learn that global warming is not a myth. Even if it WERE a myth, using less oil would lessen our dependency on parts of the world that are anywhere from unpredictable to downright hostile. I do believe that doing the right thing sometimes requires sacrifices when all other things are equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRom Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Ever hear of a minivan? Why does being liberal make me a "weenie"? I don't go around saying' date=' "conservative morons" to anyone. Why? Because you're not morons; you just see the world differently. I don't understand why disagreement has to result in personal name-calling.[/quote'] Did not mean to imply that the liberal leaning forum members here are now nor ever have been weenies. Liberal goverment weenies, do as I say not as I do. For instance, the Obamas date night. Decided to go to New York, takes 3 planes to do this, just so they can have a date night yet they barked at the auto-execs for flying in private planes to go to the Washington hearings. That didn't make the news tho, did it. Now they want us to drive oversized roller skates on the nations highways but you know they won't suffer the same type of transportation restrictions for themselves. Weenies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californiaman Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Yeah, that's right. What you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRom Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 They irk me just as much as the conservative government weenies do. Just so you don't think that I believe one is any better than the other ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSG_Standard Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 The bottom line in my thinking is that we need to use less oil and pollute less. I believe we owe it to our future generations to be good stewards of the earth. I know this is going to sound like liberal alarmism to many of you' date=' but when you read REAL science, you learn that global warming is not a myth. Even if it WERE a myth, using less oil would lessen our dependency on parts of the world that are anywhere from unpredictable to downright hostile.I do believe that doing the right thing sometimes requires sacrifices when all other things are equal. [/quote'] So, I can assume that ANY science that doesn't match your argument isn't "real" science? Apparently, you haven't read all that much about climate change...there are many reputable scientists on the side of the argument that says "man made global warming" isn't an issue. It seems to me, that the "facts" on the issue are not settled science yet. If "man made global warming" is an undisputable fact and it's settled science, then why do you play an electric guitar, have air conditioning, an internet connection and I presume lights in your home. Why does algore fly in a private jet and drive a fleet of limos and SUVs? Why did algore start a tv channel? TV's use electricity, that in most cases is generated via fossil fuels. So far, few if any of the predictions made by your side of the argument have come true, in fact many/most of the predictions made by your side have been debunked. Good luck with your prius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 My wife and I both drive Jeeps. Hers is a bit smaller body style but I really wish that the old Grand Wagnoneer were still being manufactured. Why? Where I live small cars are dangerous in winter, electric cars might make it in summer but not in winter, and four wheel drive is darned handy if you want to drive to work. Yeah, I've had folks tell me I'm dumb because I have to spend more money on gas. But then guess who calls to ask me to drive them to work in the winter because they can't go anywhere at all? Right now there are roads in my county where even my Jeep shouldn't attempt passage, and folks who live there drive 4wd pickups with far more ground clearance and much more "aggressive" tires. They need that to get out for supplies, to go to the doctor or dentist, feed for livestock, etc. So... I see the small car "revolution" as yet another way for the urban-oriented federal government to increase the price of functional vehicles in my part of the country and further exploit farmers and ranchers. There. <grin> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twelvebar Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 With all of the reorganization in the American big 3 car companies' date=' one of the plans put forward by the Gov't and the automakers is to build more small cars and fewer trucks and SUVs. I hear people complaining about the fact that the big 3 continued to build gas guzzling trucks and SUVs even as oil prices climbed through the roof and people are blaming this for the demise of the US auto industry. It seems to me that the automakers were responding to consumer demand by building trucks and SUVs, nobody forced anybody to buy full size vehicles, that's what we want. I'm 6'3" 230lbs, and I have a family of four. I don't want a small car. I pull a boat and a utility trailer, and I hunt, so I need something to throw dead animals in. I also like to have my family in a full size automobile for safety reasons. So I bought a full size, big block Chevy Avalanche and a full size car and a mini-van. I live in the HUGE state of Texas and I drive hundreds of mile per week. There is no public transportation out here in the west. I want a choice! I want to buy and drive whatever I can afford. What say you?[/quote'] I have a truck for hunting/fishing/camping etc. But I use a smaller vehicle for normal day to day stuff. I am actually lucky as i live a couple minutes walk from an LRT (light rail transit,) station, and my work is only a couple minutes walk away from another stop on the same line. 20 minutes to a half hour each way, driving usually takes 40 mins plus, due to high traffic. And it also saves me a ton of cash. I talked a girlfriend out of one of those Smart car little tin cans after i saw one in an accident with a Tahoe. What should have been a minor fender bender looked to be an accident that could easily have ended in a fatality (it didn't, luckily but...) The Smart car had rear ended the Tahoe, i couldn't believe how much damage their was (the tahoe looked unharmed of coarse,) If it had been the SUV rear ending the little car i can't imagine how bad it could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymisterk Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 So' date=' I can assume that ANY science that doesn't match your argument isn't "real" science? Apparently, you haven't read all that much about climate change...there are many reputable scientists on the side of the argument that says "man made global warming" isn't an issue. It seems to me, that the "facts" on the issue are not settled science yet. If "man made global warming" is an undisputable fact and it's settled science, then why do you play an electric guitar, have air conditioning, an internet connection and I presume lights in your home. Why does algore fly in a private jet and drive a fleet of limos and SUVs? Why did algore start a tv channel? TV's use electricity, that in most cases is generated via fossil fuels. So far, few if any of the predictions made by your side of the argument have come true, in fact many/most of the predictions made by your side have been debunked. Good luck with your prius.[/quote'] So, KSG, you are arguing that a majority of the scientific community does not believe global warming exists? Oh, that's rich. I knew you'd come after me with the Castor Oil. I challenge you to read this entire article, not to pick apart bits and pieces that fit your lifestyle: ttp://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/01/19/eco.globalwarmingsurvey/index.html?iref=newssearch Your second paragraph is nothing but goofy. For guys like you, everything is dealt with in absolute extremes. Believe in global warming? Great; go live in a hut. I don't know what to say about your whole debunking theory; I do know we didn't find WMDs in Iraq, but I digress... My Prius? I smile every time I drive it; my grin gets extra big when I pull up to the gas station and the car next to me is a mammoth SUV. And I believe I'm doing the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 One major problem with the concept of some of these hybrids and electric cars is that where I live they'll get you dead in cold weather. I know I'm showing a rural prejudice here, but if you're in this part of the country the pregnant roller skates and even "regular cars" tend to be unusable several months of the year off and on - sometimes a lot more - and then their owners keep asking for rides from those of us whose vehicles are built with more ground clearance. That adds significantly, one might suggest, to increasing the "carbon footprint." And worst of all, if one could remove all the gadgetry forced to meet fed emissions controls and such, a $30,000 SUV probably would cost about half that and get the same or better mileage. I'm reminded of my '57 Chrysler 4-door hardtop with a huge V8 that averaged between 27 and 30 mph highway and that was usually running between 80 and 90 in the good old days. Comfortable, too - and it handled all but the worst of blizzards for getting around in snow. Of course, there were no airbags; I installed my own seatbelts... stayed warm at -30 or so... But it'd never pass current govt. standards. I do wonder why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSG_Standard Posted June 3, 2009 Author Share Posted June 3, 2009 As I stated before heymisterk, Man Made Global Warming is NOT settled science...Whether you like it or not, there are reputable scientists who are NOT on the side of the MMGW hysteria. 5 minutes with Google provided the following information. I do not deny global warming or man made global warming, I just don't believe it's true "only" because the media, algore or you say it's true. My motto is "question everything". Nobody knows what's causing the climate to change, the debate continues. Enjoy your prius. http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2158072e-802a-23ad-45f0-274616db87e6 http://www.drroyspencer.com/ http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/13830/ http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/39973/113/ http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/full/25452/Scientists_Economists_Challenge_Global_Warming_Alarmism.html http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19468 http://www.globalwarminghysteria.com/ten-myths-of-global-warming/ http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=3061015&page=1 http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/swindle.htm http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/sealevel.htm http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/cycles/index.htm http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/pointlss.htm http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/cool.htm http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba230 http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/21978/500_Scientists_Whose_Research_Contradicts_ManMade_Global_Warming_Scares.html - 500 reputable scientists who doubt man made global warming. http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=640 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno690 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 To answer the OPs question: I can't decide on just one car. Here is what is in my garage/driveway right now: BMWX5 - Daily Driver (Me) Cadillac CTS - Daily Driver (Wife) Chevrolet Corvette - Summer Car Chevrolet Malibu (2008) - Daily Driver (Daughter #1) Dodge Ram (1998) - Tow boat, carry stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno690 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 As I stated before heymisterk' date=' Man Made Global Warming is NOT settled science...Whether you like it or not, there are reputable scientists who are NOT on the side of the MMGW hysteria. 5 minutes with Google provided the following information. I do not deny global warming or man made global warming, I just don't believe it's true "only" because the media, algore or you say it's true. My motto is "question everything". Nobody knows what's causing the climate to change, the debate continues. Enjoy your prius. http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2158072e-802a-23ad-45f0-274616db87e6 http://www.drroyspencer.com/ http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/13830/ http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/39973/113/ http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/full/25452/Scientists_Economists_Challenge_Global_Warming_Alarmism.html http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19468 http://www.globalwarminghysteria.com/ten-myths-of-global-warming/ http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=3061015&page=1 http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/swindle.htm http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/sealevel.htm http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/cycles/index.htm http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/pointlss.htm http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/cool.htm http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba230 http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/21978/500_Scientists_Whose_Research_Contradicts_ManMade_Global_Warming_Scares.html - 500 reputable scientists who doubt man made global warming. http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=640 [/quote'] My motto: "Follow the money" http://greenhellblog.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/al-gore-invests-millions-to-make-billions-in-cap-and-trade-software/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymisterk Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 As I stated before heymisterk' date=' Man Made Global Warming is NOT settled science...Whether you like it or not, there are reputable scientists who are NOT on the side of the MMGW hysteria. 5 minutes with Google provided the following information. I do not deny global warming or man made global warming, I just don't believe it's true "only" because the media, algore or you say it's true. My motto is "question everything". Nobody knows what's causing the climate to change, the debate continues. Enjoy your prius. http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2158072e-802a-23ad-45f0-274616db87e6 http://www.drroyspencer.com/ http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/13830/ http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/39973/113/ http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/full/25452/Scientists_Economists_Challenge_Global_Warming_Alarmism.html http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19468 http://www.globalwarminghysteria.com/ten-myths-of-global-warming/ http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=3061015&page=1 http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/swindle.htm http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/sealevel.htm http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/cycles/index.htm http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/pointlss.htm http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/cool.htm http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba230 http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/21978/500_Scientists_Whose_Research_Contradicts_ManMade_Global_Warming_Scares.html - 500 reputable scientists who doubt man made global warming. http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=640 [/quote'] Dude, you really need a hobby. Maybe you don't have enough of a life to wade through - hell, I don't even want to count how many websites you sent me - but I do. Do something constructive. Strum your guitar; walk your dog; take your recycling to the bins; that is, if you don't see recycling bins as unnecessary government interference. Enjoy your...whatever it is you enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badjuju342 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 My two daily drivers are: 2001 Trans Am ,( good weather) gets 24 mpg on highway, air works great and it has a certain pimposity factor I cannot resist. 1997 Chevrolet S10 , (bad weather) , gets WORSE gas mileage then Trans Am, has 200,000 miles on it and while a/c does work , it doesn't work well even if you recharge it. I suspect compressor is worn out and just ain't up to the job anymore. It is customized so i get compliments on it from men but that is not pimp. My toy: A 1989 Camaro RS restomodded convertible. It has just about everything replaced on it with new hi performance / chrome/billet parts including a low mileage LS1 V8 and a six speed manual transmission from a totalled 1999 Trans Am. Car is for going to car shows , cruise ins and very infrequent top down scenic driving. Other than paint , I built this car from the ground up myself. Two amazing badjuju342 factoids: 1. I do not have a mullet 2.I had these vehicles before I started with Gibson as they do not pay me the big bucks so do not complain to me that they should drop prices because I have these cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boston004681 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 I like small to mid sized cars with taunt suspension. Nice... But I would've got an American car, the way the economy is. (Even though they're horrible cars altogether(But Chevy & Ford make great trucks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Hey, badjuju342... When we lived in Memphis, the wife ran a four-banger Mazda pickup and I drove "full size" sedans, usually Chevies although finally a Pontiac. Then we moved "home" 20 years ago and went to Jeeps... Other SUVs just never quite seemed to make it. Drove through or flew through Nashville on somebody else's nickel a few times... As for the four-door full-size sedans of the era, I hadda haul people and quite frequently a portable photo studio lighting setup at the time. Dunno what I'd drive if I had to do that again down there. Probably Jeeps. There's no snow, from my perspective anyway, in Nashville or Memphis. Heck, there's not really any winter. In Memphis when they saw the electric cord to the tank heater, folks started shivering in the middle of summer! Interestingly my v8 Grand Cherokee gets 22 - 25 mpg in the foothills on the Interestate at 75, the smaller Cherokee gets about 25 or so with the six banger. But ... I had a wild trip some years ago in a similar big Jeep following some National Guard guys to Fort Carson, Colo., for work purposes. They led and I didn't really have much choice other than getting lost. According to the little electronic gadget in the Jeep that tells you your mileage figures, at 100-110, I was getting about 35 mph on the flats south of Cheyenne. Ain't in interesting how low speeds save fuel? m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homz Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Nice... But I would've got an American car' date=' the way the economy is. (Even though they're horrible cars altogether(But Chevy & Ford make great trucks) [/quote'] There not horrible cars. I see memos all the time about U.S. quality and various reports on things like the Harbor # report and other. The way autos are rated is on warranty issues per 100 vehicles. All the major manufactures are with in 5 problems per 100 vehicles. The worst is in the verly low 20's and the best is 17. That has been true for nearly 10 years. Yes the best is a specific Toyota model (I can't remember which), but all the American car lines are in the same general vicinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homz Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Tomorrow, If I have time, I will see if there is anything in my e-mail account with actual quality data. So long as it doesn't say privileged info I'll bring it home and scan it. You don't get that stuff on the anti American auto websites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badjuju342 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Hey' date=' badjuju342... When we lived in Memphis, the wife ran a four-banger Mazda pickup and I drove "full size" sedans, usually Chevies although finally a Pontiac. Then we moved "home" 20 years ago and went to Jeeps... Other SUVs just never quite seemed to make it. Drove through or flew through Nashville on somebody else's nickel a few times... As for the four-door full-size sedans of the era, I hadda haul people and quite frequently a portable photo studio lighting setup at the time. Dunno what I'd drive if I had to do that again down there. Probably Jeeps. There's no snow, from my perspective anyway, in Nashville or Memphis. Heck, there's not really any winter. In Memphis when they saw the electric cord to the tank heater, folks started shivering in the middle of summer! Interestingly my v8 Grand Cherokee gets 22 - 25 mpg in the foothills on the Interestate at 75, the smaller Cherokee gets about 25 or so with the six banger. But ... I had a wild trip some years ago in a similar big Jeep following some National Guard guys to Fort Carson, Colo., for work purposes. They led and I didn't really have much choice other than getting lost. According to the little electronic gadget in the Jeep that tells you your mileage figures, at 100-110, I was getting about 35 mph on the flats south of Cheyenne. Ain't in interesting how low speeds save fuel? m [/quote'] I have lived in Nashville since 1987 and the natives here positively freak out if snow is mentioned as a possiblity in the weather forecast. Grocery stores sell out of bread and milk , schools close and if it does actually snow , they do not know how to drive. I have only seen one bad ice storm the whole twenty something years I have lived here so I find the comedy factor of all this uproarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Oh, yeah.... I'd forgotten the empty shelves in the supermarkets when they predicted a horrid snowfall of an inch or so. Here's one my wife encountered. A lady friend was really angry one "winter" when her boyfriend and the mechanic were lying to her and laughing at her expense. She thought. As a farm girl, my wife has a bit of mechanical knowledge, and so was told the story. "There's something wrong with the brakes. Every time I'm driving and it's raining or snowing and have to stop fast, my brakes just stop working and I slide! The mechanic and my boyfriend say it's me, but the brakes don't work!" Girl to girl, my wife hadda explain the facts of vehicular life to this young woman. Had I done so, it just would have been another nasty male. <grin> But even the men thought I was crazy not wearing a heavy winter coat at 40 degrees. Sheesh. I could tell another tale or two along those lines but... Naaaah. Not now anyway. Except... Friends did find it incredible - and I think some literally didn't believe me - when I told them that the first DB I hadda help handle when I was assigned to "shoot" an "accident scene" was frozen solid in just a cupla hours. I was only 20 and it was only about 25 below, but cold enough to freeze the guy, literally solid. The ambulance guys needed help and I was there and... Oh, and they didn't get it that if it's -32 and there's a 30-40 mph wind going, you don't leave your disabled vehicle to find help if all you've got for clothing are hat, jeans, boots, shirt and coat. Been there, done that. But just once, and a long, long time ago. .... BTW, where are you from originally? m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badjuju342 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 I lived in Southern Illinois ( specifically Marion-Carbondale area) most of my younger years. Just far up enough north to have actual snow. I still own some farmland around Tamms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Yes to farmland. <grin> I wish I had some. Except mostly around here it's pretty sparse and mostly rangeland. Some farming along the Red and Belle Fourche Rivers... although we have one of the first Bureau of Reclamation dams for the Belle Fourche Irrigation Project. At the time it was built just over a century ago, Orman Dam was the largest earth fill dam in the world. Figure how it was made - horse and mule and human muscle power and literally steam shovels. It's still the biggest body of water in the state west of the Missouri. But... we lost a lot of bridges the past few years from ice flows with spring floods. That's why... I'm not kidding, there are a lot of roads in the county I couldn't make it through with my Jeep and even big pickups have problems or just plain have to go around. That's a real problem in moving livestock by truck. Luckily it's still big-time horse cowboy country. It's also why I'm deeply concerned about manufacturer "environmental" and fuel mileage standards that could double or triple the cost of pickups needed to get around this country for ranchers to make a living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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