Mark Lee Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 is the guitar shown in the pics on this sight real or fake? http://product.madeinchina.com/Free-shipping-Super-400CES-400-CES-jazz-sunburst-DEAD-MINT-Guitar/10880206.shtml I cant see anything wrong with the guitar, but most gibson copies their is something wrong (like a three screw truss rod cover) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 I'm not sure if it's fake, but if it isn't, then I can guarantee that it won't be the guitar you would get if you decide to buy it. Seeing a price of around $500 for a guitar that normally sells for around 12k should send up a huge red flag... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 I believe those are copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Lee Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 I know that I wouldnt receive a real Super 400, but I cannot find any teltale signs from the pictures. I reckon its either a really good copy, or they are pics of a REAL Super 400 and the guiar you recieve looks nothing like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qblue Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 A REAL Super 400 would have an engraved trapeze, 'Super 400" on it. It's a fake or replica. The price and the MadeInChina label make it a fake as all Gibsons are MIA and expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haudenasaunee Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Look at the frets. A real gibson has neck binding material over the ends when new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES345 Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 I am not sure if I understand the question. I guess you are asking is the one in the picture a fake, who cares, the guitars from the web site are manufactured in China, scroll down this is from their web site: "We have a lot of guitars in every imaginable brand, All the guitar are fabricat in our China factory, and all the guitar accessories, pickups, etc., are import from Korea. We always guarantee that all the guitar we offer have the same sound and same quality the same – type – guitars you buy in your local musical instrument store, because customer satisfaction is always our number one priority. Most of our guitars are made of mahogany. There are also some guitar are made of maple." I still maybe missing something, but the guitars that are being sold from this website are as they state, copies made in china. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpdeluxe Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 It's a cheap copy, and the guitar you get will most likely not be as nice as the picture. Stay away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaicho8888 Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 FAKE and ILLEGAL...they should be shut down! I'm surprised Customs do not confiscate them when they come in the US. I've seen Customs conficate fake purses, shoes, watches,etc when coming back to the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silas Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 is the guitar shown in the pics on this sight real or fake? http://product.madeinchina.com/Free-shipping-Super-400CES-400-CES-jazz-sunburst-DEAD-MINT-Guitar/10880206.shtml I cant see anything wrong with the guitar' date=' but most gibson copies their is something wrong (like a three screw truss rod cover)[/quote'] Ive a few bucks to throw around and just out of curiosity im gonna buy it! i will fill you in and post photos of what the sucker really looks like! i emailed the guy and he swears it looks exactly as it does in the pic.... soon find out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silas Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 on second thoughts check this out!!!!! http://liverpool.gumtree.com/liverpool/60/48681160.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Lee Posted February 6, 2010 Author Share Posted February 6, 2010 Silas, how is your Super 400? I am also in Australia so if yours arived in one piece I might consider buying one. If you have a few more bucks to throw areound I would love one too (no joke - I'm dead serious). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamman Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 It's really made in China , which , if that's what you want. the problem is they but the Gibson logo on it . that should tell you something. Think about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Lee Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 I realise that it is made in China (check the website URL?); I already own a Super 400 (with SD Phat Staples) but it is getting increasingly risky to take it on a gig. If the guitar on the webpage is actually the one on the photos, and they are NOT photos of a real one, then it looks very convincing. I am convinced that the photo's are of a fake and if you bought it you would actually get what is in the picture. A real Super 400 has an engraved tailpiece. So if anyone has a spare 500 lying around buy it for me and I'll repay you sometime in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazzGtr Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Fake! Let's get real here. There are many reasons why it's a fake. The price of maple, spruce and ebony would drive the cost well pass $500.00. I own a L5 and the first thing that stands out is the pickguard. Then there's the binding, the unbounded frets, the head stock, the small tuner heads and on and on. BTW, where does China gets it's wood? Jazz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 BTW' date=' where does China gets it's wood?:D [/quote'] Beaver poo and contact paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpdeluxe Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Beaver poo and contact paper. So they've upgraded. I don't know why anyone would bother to spend the cost of shipping on a fake like that. It's like buying a plastic fern for your garden. The intrinsic value of a good jazz guitar is not its outer gloss, but its inner soul. That POS doesn't have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56LP Special Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 I hope that none of you are seriously considering sending any money for the Super 400 fake. If you receive any guitar at all, it will not be anything you will be proud to own. The photo seems to be "re-cycled" in different ads to attract more suckers. You can not buy quality materials for the prices they ask, much less quality labor. At the same time it degrades the fine Gibson name and reputation. Please don't encourage others to support companies that infringe on trademarks. GIBSON needs to ACT NOW to stop these fakes ! I am a retired CFE (Certified Fraud Examiner) and always remind people that you get what you pay for. Forum members are probably much more well informed than the general public but, I'm concerned about the unsuspecting guy on the street who buys a fake and later gets the bad news. Even though it wasn't Gibsons' fault, he will resent the company for letting it happen to him. If you want a very playable and attractive (non-Gibson) jazz guitar that is affordable you may want to consider the new D' Angelico New Yorkers. They are foreign made but at least the name is licensed and the guitars are of reasonable quality. I have examined and played a few of them and they are reasonably good for a basic jazz box. I'll stick with my 46 year old Byrdland. I wonder how many of those Chinese fakes will be firewood long before that. Be carefull out there. Lots of people want to get into your wallet and they don't care how they do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpdeluxe Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Good job, 56LP Special. Last year, a guy here in town found a real bargain: a Gibson flat top for $600! He couldn't get the cash fast enough. Then he took it to the local dealer, who, unfortunately for him, is highly knowledgeable about Gibsons. I dropped by a couple of days later, and the dealer showed me the "Gibson." It was a shoddy Chinese-made plywood acoustic, with "Gibson" spelled out on the head stock in white tape. Needless to say, the guy did not get the grand off he wanted on the Taylor he bought (the owner thought he had been extremely generous in taking the fake for $100 off). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Lee Posted February 11, 2010 Author Share Posted February 11, 2010 I suppose I'll just risk damaging at a gig my belovid (real) Gibson Super 400 rather than buy a fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyedwards Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I think the item is okay, though in the photos it looks a little cartoony. If you want to take the risk, go ahead and buy it ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Lee Posted February 14, 2010 Author Share Posted February 14, 2010 Yeah. My main concern when I first found it was that the pictures were of a real super 400. But now I have found enough things to conclude that the pictures are of a fake guitar that, to be fair, looks decent and is probably the words most affordable 18 inch archtop. Besides, it's not technically illegal to buy because the seller clearly states that it is a replica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhead Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 FAKE! Look at the headstock carefully! It's not right! I've looked at literally hundreds of these guitars selling from china, and if you look closely you'll see flaws in the Gibson logo, where it's placed, the angle, shape of the headstock, the placement of the slit diamond inlay, the way the binding is installed around the headstock, etc. Find some photos from reputable dealers like Gruhn Guitars and compare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Lee Posted February 17, 2010 Author Share Posted February 17, 2010 Yeah I've figured its fake because: the pickguard is the wrong size the pickup selector switch is the wrong colour the tailpiece isn't engraved APart from those, the guitar is quite accurate. The Gibson Super 400 has always had a large headstock like the pictures. I dont need pictures to compare; I've got the real MacCoy right infront of me. when I stated this thread I just wanted some other opinions on the giutar to make certain that the pictures wern't real and I was risking buying something that looks nothing like the real one. But now I've deduced that the pictures ARE of a fake guitar and you get the guitar in the picture. Silas, still waiting on your oppinion on the one you bought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L5Larry Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Fake or not (it is a fake), have you ever tried to play an 18" archtop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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