retrosurfer1959 Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 I grew up feeling the same way and being taught to never hit a girl either. Honestly it never crossed my mind until I became a police officer and saw that brutality and meanness has nothing to do with what sex someone is and anyone who considers women to be the weaker sex hasn't been around women much. Ive seen women act, fight, stab and shoot each other and men on more occasions then I like to count. I have a scar on my left eyebrow from a petite topless dance that was tearing a bar apart after she came in third in a dance contest she thought she should have won she put four big men in the hospital and after I handcuffed her she showed me she was double jointed and flexible when she pulled the handcuffs down over her hand and threw it at me with force and damn good aim. I also had a 67 year old woman stab through the palm of my hand with a ice pick when I was arresting her baby boy for three armed robberies. Always remember something if a man is in a fight it's likely to prove a point, settle a score or just for plain old fun. But if a woman is physically fighting it's probably because she want's to kill you and trust me she's probably trying. When they get pissed enough to get physical it's not sport it's a death match. A better rule might be to: Never bully anyone with force just because your bigger and stronger and never strike or abuse anyone you love period. But the cold hard fact is some women like to fight just as much as men and they are often really good at it, and they are probably colder, faster and meaner than most men, don't forget it or you might learn that lesson the really hard way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Saw a bar fight, last summer, that was...by FAR, the worst, bloodiest, most savage and relentless fight, I have ever witnessed! It was between 2 (20 something) girls! "Cat Fight" doesn't begin to explain this altercation. I'm only glad there were no weapons, available, because one, or possibly both, could easily have been killed. They were...for all intents and purposes, so angry and out of control, that "temporary insanity" (legal or not) would have been a good description. A couple of the larger guys, in the venue, finally were able to get close enough, to get between them. Both men suffered cuts and bruises, in their attempts to get them apart. I have never seen, anything like that, prior to that night. But, I've since heard, it's a lot more "common," than I had realized. I've seen a "thing or two" in my days, but...that was something else, indeed. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Most women I know who know how to fight are rather well trained. Pound for pound, though, on average males tend to have an advantage in strength. And there are some women in the military and a few in police work who are quite competent and bright enough to recognize their limitations as well as abilities - as bright men in the military and law enforcement recognize their own. Many women are excellent shooters and some nowadays have led soldiers and Marines rather well in combat. But I do think that today's world is rather more coarse than when I was a kid. Anyone who "loses it" has an advantage, by the way; rage or mental illness. Others don't wish to damage them, and they don't care. That "they don't care" is what you watch out for, regardless of what a person looks like. Demoon - hey, it ain't that girls are nasty, it's that for about a generation now there is a lot more coarse behavior in the world and girls have to cope with more of it than when I was a kid. So I think more girls are "tougher" today. On the other hand, I don't think most adults like to hurt other folks. Also... I think most girl guitar players I've met are nice folks. <grin> I've known a couple who wouldn't accept poor treatment but heck, I don't think most boy guitar players care to accept poor treatment, either. My point? Date girls who already are friends. Guitar players have stuff they care about, so that's a plus. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Well, that...and the ever increasing "dumbing down," of our society, in general. Lot's of folks, male and female, nowadays, seem to have real problems, dealing with any kind of rejection, and/or the word "no!" They are, all too often, lacking in any real "anger management"skills...and just "Go Off," at the slightest provocation. That seems (to me) like a direct result of "babysitting" as opposed to real education, in our schools, and/or having any real discipline (in school or at home) thwarted by litigation. So, a generation, or two, into that scenerio...and you have what we have, now. Too many of the fundamental guides, for proper behavior, have been usurped, and/or abandoned....IMHO. Add too that, what is tolerated, and even promoted and/or "rewarded" on TV, film, and the so-called "Role Models" of today...and pretty soon, it's going to be "Mad Max!" ;>b CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector Arcadius Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 I just went through the thread and found some very valid points / arguments from everyone participated (especially your remarks Charlie). I have to observe from my side that, even in the most ''advanced'' and ''civilized'' societies of our world, it is not yet established the fact that violence, domestic or not, is no longer neither an efficient nor an acceptable way of resolving differences. There are times when I would swear that, despite our social, cultural & technological advances, things are getting worse... Some people don't even seem to grasp the fact that the apperance of violence means that all the arguments have ended or lost their meaning of existence. And they end up in that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Anyone remember, when "A Clockwork Orange" seemed "unimaginable?!" We're at, or even way past that, now..seemingly. ;>( CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 ok' date=' im sorry.... i stand corrected. thanks everyone for enlightening me [blush'] hahaha lol.... i was thinking you'd never get married for a different reason.... Oh well what is this other reason you belive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 violence' date=' domestic or not, is no longer neither an efficient nor an acceptable way of resolving differences. Oh, I would dare to quibble on that one minor point. I can tell you from experience that it can be VERY efficient in stopping the bullsh!t once and for all. 4 times in 30 years, I could go into all the details but I won't, I put an immediate stop to ALL hostilities with only one punch. I didn't start any of the four, and tried to "reason" it to an acceptable conclusion each time. All four times, I was finally threatened in one manner or another so I popped them. Game Over. They decided they didn't want to get involved in anything 'serious' after all. All it took was the knowledge that their bullsh!t posturing was no longer gonna work. They suddenly (and clearly) realized they were gonna have to apply some strength and energy to their efforts. Suddenly, it wasn't worth it to piss in people's ears, threaten them, and otherwise harass and obstruct them. To make a point - not really in favor of physical violence - but to clarify that it will always have a place when some people simply will not listen, or at least shut the fck up, and they will get the hint with nothing less. As long as THAT is still a possibility in everybody's minds, the element of fear will preserve at least some reason. Does this apply to women too? Unfortunately, yes, in many cases where they are counting on general lack of resistance to enable their aims. That being said, the only woman I've ever hit in my life was my older sister - I was 11 and she was 17. She slapped me with absolutely no reason for it, so I popped her. Hate it to this day - but it finally put a stop to months of bullsh!t from her. We get along fine 35 years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitargreg1993 Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Oh well what is this other reason you belive? hahahaha dont worry about it.... [lol] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basshole Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 I have to observe from my side that' date=' even in the most ''advanced'' and ''civilized'' societies of our world, it is not yet established the fact that violence, domestic or not, is no longer neither an efficient nor an acceptable way of resolving differences.[/quote'] Yes because violence has never solved anything except, Terrorism, Slavery, Fascism, Socialism, Imperialism... Speak softly and carry a big stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Mankind, is a Killer...that's for sure! It's merely a matter of pushing the right buttons! Sad, maybe...but true. And now, we get to watch it all, on Widescreen, High-Def TV, in surround sound...24-hours a day! ;>b CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Actually from my perspective both Hector and Bxxxhole are correct. That is, Hector notes that we as a world society haven't learned that violence is not efficient nor acceptable for settling differences. B... notes, yeah, except various other things that have been or are being solved with some degree of violence. This cynical old man might suggest that, like it or not, lots of stuff has been settled by violence. Lots more seems likely to be "solved" only by violence. The question is the degree to which that is "acceptable," and acceptable to whom. I dunno. There are so many unintended consequences to just about everything we do. There is as yet no way to answer "what if" questions, so one doesn't know what exactly those unintended consequences both of violent and nonviolent acts might be in the long run. We even extend violence by metaphor into music: "Battle of the Bands," for example. No, I don't think human beings are not likely to lose the potential for violence. Frankly I have more respect for those who would challenge a "fight" than those who work in sneaky ways to cut off your (metaphorical) legs. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 No' date=' I don't think human beings are not likely to lose the potential for violence. m [/quote'] Well, we never have...only devised more and more sophisticated (and lethal) ways, of exacting it. Even the reasons for it, don't really change. "It's All ****!" CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Frankly I have more respect for those who would challenge a "fight" than those who work in sneaky ways to cut off your (metaphorical) legs. Yeah' date=' like Forum Moderators.... :D/ It's not just here, it's anywhere musicians gather, since most prefer to dreamily co-exist far away from ugliness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdown Posted January 21, 2010 Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 Wow,been away for a bit,but there's a bit of activity going on here fellas. Glad I stirred up the nest,"cause everyone had valid points IMO. Good/Bad will always co-exist together. Unfortunately we can't seem to live in harmony,so we just do the best with what we have and try to shield those yet to discover the ugliness from it as long as possible. But it's hard when we have to open the front door... Bring the new owners up right,instill values,respect and integrity in them and let 'em loose. In an ideal world at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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