Ebay casino

[mgrmatt]

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I mean no disrespect if this is a forum members auction, but this Revolution Casino seems to have some red flags. Someone check it out and please tell me what you think.

 

Thanks,

 

Matt

[garyelcrrt1281733995]

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I mean no disrespect if this is a forum members auction' date=' but this Revolution Casino seems to have some red flags. Someone check it out and please tell me what you think.

 

Thanks,

 

Matt[/quote']

 

$1200 for a 2nd?!?.

[bluelake07]

I have a Viola Bass that is stamped USED and the serial number is scratched out. Guitars stamped "USED" are not seconds. Those marked USED are typically guitars that met factory standards when they left the factory. Something happens after it's sold and the buyer returns it under warranty terms. Maybe a tuner broke or the saddle cracked and a miffed owner returns the guitar under terms of the warranty. The factory sends a brand new guitar and a loyal customer is forever gained. The factory then simply replaces the broken part, stamps the guitar "USED" and markets it at a discount price just as they do their factory seconds. However, since it's not a second they mark the guitar USED thus preventing an unscrupulous dealer from buying it at discount and then selling it as a new below prices other dealers would have to charge for a similar new guitar.

[mgrmatt]

The USED stamp is not what I am questioning, most of the Revolution Casinos that I have seen have had different tuners the E style truss rod cover and the infamous washer underneath the switch. I gues the guy auctioning it off could have changed all of these things? Thanks for the responses.

 

Matt

[byrds1965]

I agree with you. I just played one a week ago at Naperville Music. The tuning keys are wrong, the truss rod cover is wrong and there should be a black knob for one of the knobs.

 

Someone who owns one can take a look to compare with this one, but yes red flags!

[Vic Flick]

The USED stamp is not what I am questioning' date=' most of the Revolution Casinos that I have seen have had different tuners the E style truss rod cover and the infamous washer underneath the switch. I gues the guy auctioning it off could have changed all of these things? Thanks for the responses.

 

Matt [/quote']

 

Guitars marked USED are sometimes sold off to a third party without all the hardware. It's not uncommon that they put them back together with non-original parts. Also notice that the bridge should be an ABR style. My take is that it probably is a real JL, but with replacement parts.

[bluesstringer]

I believe that it is a JL but agree that it probably has some replacement parts, not a difficult or terribly expensive fix. The price is too high though, IMO, particularly with this consideration.

[Guest]

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I mean no disrespect if this is a forum members auction' date=' but this Revolution Casino seems to have some red flags. Someone check it out and please tell me what you think.

 

Thanks,

 

Matt[/quote']

 

It's a piece of crap (by the way, the "1965" was one model and the "Revolution" was another-yes, it was authentic when it started out but now it's glorified scrap) that was returned to the factory, the factory stripped its parts and some other clown bought it (probably for a pittance) piece -worked it back together, put it in an Elitist case and now hopes to sell it to some hapless sucker who comes along on E Bay. The blue Epiphone label is an after-market label often available on E Bay..the USA sticker next to it is yet another attempt to scam people. "Used" means that there's something serious enough wrong with it that Epiphone has refused to warranty it in any way...a "second" is something else entirely...this is not a second..Wrong case, wrong machine heads. three screw wrong truss rod cover, wrong bridge...in a word..crap. I'd stay as far away from it as possible.

 

...and Al's your uncle.

[Red 333]

 

The blue Epiphone label is an after-market label often available on E Bay..the USA sticker next to it is yet another attempt to scam people.

...and Al's your uncle.

 

That neck has been refinished, too. It's too dark to be the original finish. Perhaps it hides a repaired neck break. The refinisher saved the USA sticker that normally goes on the back of the neck and stuck it in the f-hole near the blue label. The blue label is most likely the one that's standard with the Lennon Casinos; they have two. Normally, the white "Lennon" label (with the "1 of..." serial number) can be seen through the treble side f-hole; the blue repro label can be seen through the bass side f-hole.

 

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[beatler90]

The black grommet ring is missing, too. I wouldn't even pay 500$ for this...

[JefferySmith]

I recently saw one of these at one of the biggie guitar dealers, listed at about that price and said to be "refurbished". I never trust the word "refurbished" because it may mean nothing more than it is functional. While it may sound like a complete overhaul, I doubt it. I would get a new Elitist Casino for a few hundred bucks more.

[jwl325]

Definitely lots of inconsistencies, but then that seems to be a hallmark of these guitars. First there were only supposed to be a combined total of 1965, Epi originally listed them as part of a "USA" collection (now they list them as part of their "historic" collection), Epi announced a sale of the initial SN runs of both the 65 and Rev (contradicting the combined total ad), they've let out at least two runs of "refurbs", etc., etc. I think Gibson is just making it up as they go along to be honest.

 

The finish on this one appears matte, not glossy like the imports, which would seem like a lot of trouble to go to to pass a fake import off. It's also odd the decals are scratched out--I'd think if someone was trying to pass a refurb with fake decals, they'd just do what Epi does--leave the blue decal alone and put a sticker over the white JL decal.

 

Tuners aren't right for any of the versions of the Casino I've seen.

 

The price is similar to what the internet places were blowing out the 1965 model refurbs for last Fall, but these are marked with a single "R" on the back of the headstock down low by the neck joint. They have a random SN sticker pasted over the place for the hand-numbered SN on the regular run JLs. Other than that, my experience is those guitars are flawless JLs--I know mine is every bit as perfect as my numbered Rev.

 

Bill

[mgrmatt]

Thanks for all of the input, I noticed in doing my homework on the Revolution model that there were several things that were out of the relm of norm on this particular guitar. You guys are such a great knowledge base!

 

Thanks,

 

Matt

[charlie brown]

"When in doubt, toss it out!"

 

CB

[Red 333]

Definitely lots of inconsistencies' date=' but then that seems to be a hallmark of these guitars. First there were only supposed to be a combined total of 1965, Epi originally listed them as part of a "USA" collection (now they list them as part of their "historic" collection), Epi announced a sale of the initial SN runs of both the 65 and Rev (contradicting the combined total ad), they've let out at least two runs of "refurbs", etc., etc. I think Gibson is just making it up as they go along to be honest.

 

The finish on this one appears matte, not glossy like the imports, which would seem like a lot of trouble to go to to pass a fake import off. It's also odd the decals are scratched out--I'd think if someone was trying to pass a refurb with fake decals, they'd just do what Epi does--leave the blue decal alone and put a sticker over the white JL decal.

 

Tuners aren't right for any of the versions of the Casino I've seen.

 

The price is similar to what the internet places were blowing out the 1965 model refurbs for last Fall, but these are marked with a single "R" on the back of the headstock down low by the neck joint. They have a random SN sticker pasted over the place for the hand-numbered SN on the regular run JLs. Other than that, my experience is those guitars are flawless JLs--I know mine is every bit as perfect as my numbered Rev.

 

Bill[/quote']

 

I think the Refurbs sold lately on MF and Music 123 (with the full warranty) are how Epiphone disposes of the overruns; they manufacture more of the guitars than they can number as their limited edition, in case a guitar gets dmaeged or there are quality concerns. Every report I've read about the recent MF/M123 refurns says they are flawless and come with all the original hardware. I purchased one, and it is plainly the equal of the non-refurb Lennon I have, too, as you say yours is. the difference is that the Refurb has the descreet R on the back of the beck, and a new serial number stickered over the spot where the "1 of..." number would be.

 

The refurbs and seconds often found on eBay without a warranty are another matter. Plainly, Epiphone doesn't want to warranty these themselves for whatever reason, so they are sold off to refurbishers, who repair them (like the neck on the advertised guitar in question, I surmize), and replace all hardware. pickusps, pick guards, etc. Epi salvaged from the bodies.

 

Interestingly, I was at the Dallas Guitar show a couple of weeks ago, and a large Gibson dealer had the overruns of the Montana made USA McCartney Texans. These were being sold without the signed blue label or COA, but in the signature case. Coincedentally, I was at the Bozeman factory a couple of years ago on a day that Ren Ferguson, Gibson's Master Luthier, was destroying one of the completed USA McCartney Texans, as the tuners had been installed incorrectly. So they do have to build more than the numbered amount in order to ensure they can release that number.

 

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