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As mentioned in the other thread, I can't control this writing-box atthe moment. First time it happens and I give this theme a go anyway.To check the error from another angle also.

 

A serious question though :

 

Regarding fixed cracked tops. Do you think repairs inhibit the over allvibe-ability and color original sound - and is there a limit in scar-length and number of cracks fter which the issue becomes crucial ??

 

To which degree is a top-repair devaluing* – sound-wise and that only. . .

 

 

 

 

don't notice the thick/thin font - it's a part of this strange prob.

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I am having no writing box problems Em7.

As for the top cracks I only had one dreadnaught(Guild D-40) That I played before and after top crack repairs. Here is what I found: the(repaired) cracks due south of the bridge affected the tone but not much, the cracks in the east-west area of the sound hole affected the tone nil, they were all small(less than 3"), except for the center seam. It was my first good acoustic, I found it in a basement where it had sat for years. It did not take the drying out process well and I knew nothing about taking care of a solid wood guitar. It was an excellent sounding guitar until I replaced the bridge plate, never liked the sound again.

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That's a tricky one. Top cracks that require cleating are going to increase the mass of the top, which should in theory impact on its responsiveness. Given that most of us damp the top vibrations to some extent by our arm position while playing, it's hard to know if top repairs would have noticeable impact on tone unless they were numerous, and overly-done in terms of the number and size of cleats.

 

This is a question probably best answered by a vintage restoration specialist, or someone like Tom Barnwell with extensive experience in older instruments.

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One good thing about a guitar with a handful of smallish top cracks: they tend to sound nicely opened up ;). Seriously, though, 2 or 3 small cracks, repaired or otherwise, would not (does not) discourage me from a great sounding guitar. A small cleated repair (especially on the back) does not trouble me, as well. Ten cleats on an old guitar, and I might consider the field of choices available. Also consider the surface area of all of these cleats still probably doesn't equal the surface area of the pick guard on some super jumbos or square shouldered Gibsons.

 

Finding a great sounding old guitar with a major crack repair is entirely possible, and this makes some very interesting vintage boxes more affordable. One would only realize the disadvantage when the time came to move the guitar along.

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That's a tricky one. Top cracks that require cleating are going to increase the mass of the top, which should in theory impact on its responsiveness. Given that most of us damp the top vibrations to some extent by our arm position while playing, it's hard to know if top repairs would have noticeable impact on tone unless they were numerous, and overly-done in terms of the number and size of cleats.

 

This is a question probably best answered by a vintage restoration specialist, or someone like Tom Barnwell with extensive experience in older instruments.

 

My operating assumption and experience is that even a moderate number of well done crack repairs have almost know impact on sound quality.

 

Of course, older guitars have more cracks just because they are old and since we only fool with old guitars, I guess we see more. I have a friend who has many prewar Martin dreads, and he claims guitars with cracks sound better. He plays one such -- a 37 D-18 -- which is the best Martin I have ever touched, and I have touched quite a few great guitars[biggrin]. I won't go that far, but I really see no consistent difference in tone between perfect guitars and those with a few well executed repairs.

 

Let's pick,

 

-Tom

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Em7, are you having problems with your browser/java?

 

No probs other places than here – and they are still disturbing.

 

Maybe if you have dog hearing you will notice it. But other than that I have never heard any difference in my guitars which had top racks repaired - cleats or no.

 

Apart from that, I agree with what's been said about cracks, repairedcracks, cleats and clue. I have a few refurbished tops around andthey don't seem to have suffered.

 

At the other hand I didn't knowthem beforehand.

 

One of my Mart. HD-28V's however, had a crack down the mid-seam, which was so narrow it could only be seen during winter. Not because of light, but humidity (for those who don't know). I glued that myself or stuffed it with a thin line of wooden-pasta last winter and wasanxious to see what would happen when summer came.

 

Apparently nothing – and nothing in tone either, I'm glad to say.

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i've pondered similar thoughts before. what impact does a respray have on the the "vintage" tone? what about pickguards? etc. Recently I was in a real world situation where a guitar i fell in love with found to be missing a tone bar--and the tone bar closest to the bridge at that. the guitar was being sold as is and so i hemmed and hawed, sought counsel and opinions (thanks again Vintage Licks--couldn't have been more helpful to me). After a long deliberation took a chance on paying for the tone bar to be replaced at my expense but with the option to refuse buying the actual guitar once the work was complete.

 

as others have said, i was ecstatic to have no less excitement at the sound of the guitar after the work was done. i'm certain some type of highly sophisticated device could have picked up before and after differences but the two less highly sophisticated devices hanging off my mid head could not.

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