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As my thread title asks…

 

Can someone tell me if there's a big difference between Ebony and Black where Epi's are concerned?

 

I notice that some "black" models come with a white pick guard, while the "ebony" has a black pick guard. Hmmmm!

 

Thanks!

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Semantics, and Marketing, mostly. Ebony, Black, Jetglow (on Ric's), it's all black!

Some are (high, medium, low) Gloss, some are Matte, some are Translucent, some are

Opaque.

 

"I see the red door, and I wanted it painted Black, Ebony, Jetglow!" lol [biggrin]

 

Whatever hardware, etc., comes with a certain model, specifically, might be a factor,

in it's presentation, to the marketplace, or it's specific model characteristics.

But, basically, "Black is black" regardless of what they "name" it. [biggrin]

 

There may be "degrees" of "Black." Some with added tints (purple, blue, yellow, etc.)

"Ebony," in some cases, it used to designate a matte finish version, as it looks more

like the color of an "Ebony" wood, or fret board.

 

CB

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Semantics, and Marketing, mostly. Ebony, Black, Jetglow (on Ric's), it's all black!

Some are (high, medium, low) Gloss, some are Matte, some are Translucent, some are

Opaque.

 

"I see the red door, and I wanted it painted Black, Ebony, Jetglow!" lol [biggrin]

 

Whatever hardware, etc., comes with a certain model, specifically, might be a factor,

in it's presentation, to the marketplace, or it's specific model characteristics.

But, basically, "Black is black" regardless of what they "name" it. [biggrin]

 

 

CB

 

Black is black… I want my baby back? LOL!

 

I was asking because I tend to avoid "black" guitars. I like some contrast and color with my axes. However, a certain "shade" of black could be cool. "Ebony", it seemed, might be one such "shade".

 

When I look at pics (online is not always reliable), it appears as if "black" is glossy, and "ebony" might be more matte. I guess there's no better way to find out than in-person.

 

Thanks, CB.

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[biggrin] Well, when I was a "kid" both my guitars ('68 Les Paul Custom, and '68 Ric 360-12) were "Black!"

Not just "Black," but Gloss Black! No, I wasn't "Goth" as this was decades before that trend! I just liked

"Black" guitars, for some reason. I grew out of that trend, but I still like it, on some models. [thumbup]

 

CB

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[biggrin] Well, when I was a "kid" both my guitars ('68 Les Paul Custom, and '68 Ric 360-12) were "Black!"

Not just "Black," but Gloss Black! No, I wasn't "Goth" as this was decades before that trend! I just liked

"Black" guitars, for some reason. I grew out of that trend, but I still like it, on some models. [thumbup]

 

CB

 

Funny. Two of my first good-quality guitars were black, as well. I had a black Strat, and then I sold that and bought a black SG Standard—which I still own.

 

[rolleyes]

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Not surprising. Also, my '68 LP Custom (first year, of it's reissue) only came in "Black," sometimes referred to as "Tuxedo!"

I got the "Ric" to go with it! LOL

 

CB

 

"Tuxedo"… did it come with a coat-tail-piece! (Ba-dum!) [laugh]

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"Tuxedo"… did it come with a coat-tail-piece! (Ba-dum!) [laugh]

 

Well, I'm not sure, but I think maybe Les Paul himself coined that term, for the Les Paul Custom,

initially, because it looked like, and was/is, and upscale version, with the gold hardware, and black

body, which also was (arguably) more at home in upscale orchestras, and/or venues. And, with the

black body, it receded, visually, into the background and therefore, placed more emphasis on the

player's hands, etc. At least, that's what I've read, in several places, over the years.

 

CB

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Well, I'm not sure, but I think maybe Les Paul himself coined that term, for the Les Paul Custom,

initially, because it looked like, and was/is, and upscale version, with the gold hardware, and black

body, which also was (arguably) more at home in upscale orchestras, and/or venues. And, with the

black body, it receded, visually, into the background and therefore, placed more emphasis on the

player's hands, etc. At least, that's what I've read, in several places, over the years.

 

CB

 

That sounds like it could be historically accurate.

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Now that's confusing right there.

 

Black is ebony, and ebony is black. That's the way it is.

 

So, go and call one sheen one thing and another sheen another, as if that makes them different colors? Gloss black or flat black. Gloss ebony, matte. Whatever.

 

See, I have a hard enough time dealing with Gibson's use of "Standard", "Traditional", and "Classic". OK?

 

Now, we do have Sheraton's, Riviera's, and now, Epi 335's. I get it. It's all good. Choices.

 

But...now we have to keep track of what is black and what is ebony? THAT's gonna make no sense, especially down the road when they decide to change the specs.

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ES-339 P90 in "Ebony":

 

POP_339P90EB.jpg

 

ES-339 in "Black":

 

POP_339PRO-BKROY.jpg

Well, the ES-339 P90 "Ebony" is plain black, while the second guitar in "Black Royale" has a metallic black finish.

 

In Epiphone color terms "Ebony (EB)" normally means an opaque plain black finish - pretty much like a piano. Most times it is glossy, sometimes like on the current ES-175 Premiun it is matte.

 

Other black Epiphone finishes are e.g. "Translucent Black (TB)", here you can see the wood grain thru the finish.

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Well, the ES-339 P90 "Ebony" is plain black, while the second guitar in "Black Royale" has a metallic black finish.

 

In Epiphone color terms "Ebony (EB)" normally means an opaque plain black finish - pretty much like a piano. Most times it is glossy, sometimes like on the current ES-175 Premiun it is matte.

 

Other black Epiphone finishes are e.g. "Translucent Black (TB)", here you can see the wood grain thru the finish.

 

The ES-339 pictured above, with humbuckers, is listed on the Epi site as just "black"—not the sparkly "royale". I've seen the new "translucent black" on some 2015 Gibsons, and it's a nice finish.

 

(added: Ok, I see the Epi site lists the finish on that second guitar as "black royale" in the info—although, the color swatch is "Black (BK)".) Damn! Wish the P90 model was offered in the royale black!

 

Black is blacker

 

Ok! Thanks! [laugh]

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Well, the ES-339 P90 "Ebony" is plain black, while the second guitar in "Black Royale" has a metallic black finish.

 

In Epiphone color terms "Ebony (EB)" normally means an opaque plain black finish - pretty much like a piano. Most times it is glossy, sometimes like on the current ES-175 Premiun it is matte.

 

Other black Epiphone finishes are e.g. "Translucent Black (TB)", here you can see the wood grain thru the finish.

My OCD is kicking in. Why, would the "Ebony" guitar have a white toggle switch cover, and the Black Royale, with a white pickguard have a black one? Arrrgh!

By the way, I not only have OCD, but CDO, which is OCD in its proper alphabetic order.

Play well!

Pete

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My OCD is kicking in. Why, would the "Ebony" guitar have a white toggle switch cover, and the Black Royale, with a white pickguard have a black one? Arrrgh!

By the way, I not only have OCD, but CDO, which is OCD in its proper alphabetic order.

Play well!

Pete

 

Yeah… black-on-black… white-on-black… WHY??? Why not tortoise shell-on-black? :-k

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Half of my guitars are black:

 

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Even my mandolin:

 

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The label inside the mandolin has BK which I take to be black and the Casino says EB which I percieve as ebony. Both have glossy finishes.

 

I also used to own a Gibson Faded LPDC in ebony that had a satin finish:

 

2005GibsonLPSpecial_4.jpg

 

Sounds like the two are interchangeable to me.

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I think tortoise shell would look good on black or ebony...

 

Yeah, I am playing around with different pick guard "finishes", in advance of buying the ebony.

 

The B.B. King "Lucille" comes with a tortoise shell pick guard, so I might do that:

 

 

 

A black pearloid pg would look cool, as well, against the black finish:

 

 

 

Nice collection of guitar-noir, zeplin!

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Yeah, I am playing around with different pick guard "finishes", in advance of buying the ebony.

 

The B.B. King "Lucille" comes with a tortoise shell pick guard, so I might do that:

 

 

 

A black pearloid pg would look cool, as well, against the black finish:

 

 

 

Nice collection of guitar-noir, zeplin!

Maybe it is just my conservative nature, but the tortoise shell in the photo is way too red for my liking. I do like the black perloid, though! YMMV...

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Maybe it is just my conservative nature, but the tortoise shell in the photo is way too red for my liking. I do like the black perloid, though! YMMV...

 

I actually totally agree with you. I'd prefer a more "brown" tortoise shell.

 

I just used the first example that I stumbled upon from my inter-web search. [biggrin]

 

Something more like this would probably prove more to both our liking…

 

 

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I actually totally agree with you. I'd prefer a more "brown" tortoise shell.

 

I just used the first example that I stumbled upon from my inter-web search. [biggrin]

 

Something more like this would probably prove more to both our liking…

 

 

Ah! Much, much better! I could live with that!

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