Tim Plains Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Cool. Will this be the first time you've heard a klon/klone in person? I have an ARC Effects klone. Great clean boost but I have two others I prefer. (Tim and Draconis) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted January 4, 2016 Author Share Posted January 4, 2016 Cool. Will this be the first time you've heard a klon/klone in person? I have an ARC Effects klone. Great clean boost but I have two others I prefer. (Tim and Draconis) Yeah, Tim, this will be my first Klon experience. Will be interesting. I use boosters a whole lot, but I use my own. Interested in the Klon mostly because quite a few players I like use them and I needed a project. Paints drying now, so I oughta be able to wire it up soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXE® Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I have a nice Klone by tone. The Jube and YJM love it. Any old 58 or 59 will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon S. Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I owned a silver Klon for a long time, and sold it(stupidly about a month before Bill quit making them). I've built a few Klones since then and A/B'd the last one with an original gold Horsey Klon. The only difference we found was the volume on the Klone needed to be up one number to match the volume of the original. With the volumes matched we couldn't tell a difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 Been too busy to work on this, but I finally got around to putting together the enclosure. It was originally blue (something I had lying around already) so I stripped it, sprayed it a silver but left it kind rough - not too shiny. I left the bottom blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Sweet!! Somebody's been shopping at smallbear. The knobs and footswitch washer :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 Sweet!! Somebody's been shopping at smallbear. The knobs and footswitch washer :P Yeah, nobody else has either of those. I used to get the washers at Mammoth, but they never seem to have them anymore, and I couldn't find those Klon knobs anywhere but Small Bear. I didn't want to order just a few knobs, so I ordered the washers too and some purple Davies knobs for my modded TS9 pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Yeah, nobody else has either of those. I used to get the washers at Mammoth, but they never seem to have them anymore, and I couldn't find those Klon knobs anywhere but Small Bear. I didn't want to order just a few knobs, so I ordered the washers too and some purple Davies knobs for my modded TS9 pedals. Smallbear had to custom order those from Davies. Before they had them, I got a quote from Davies on getting a batch of those made for me but the minimum order quantity was $500+ for the custom color. If you're looking for the smaller outer diameter washers PPP usually has those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Sweet! Love to hear a clip if you get a chance. Here's a Gold Horsie for sale if anyone's interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 Well, it's done! Bit of a rat's nest - there are a lot of wires in there with that double gang pot! The good news is, it worked first time, didn't have to track down any problems which is nice. Since I've not played a real Klon, I have no idea what it should sound like. It's certainly subtle - but I knew it wasn't going to have a lot of gain. I can see how it could be one of those "leave it on all the time" kinda effects because of the juicy sparkly boost it adds. Glad I didn't pay $2k for it though! I'll try to record a little clip tomorrow if time allows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Looks pretty good man Sucks that they left those resistors flying off the switch though. Not a super great layout by GGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon S. Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Nice job! The first one I made took a few tries before it worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share Posted January 11, 2016 Nice job! The first one I made took a few tries before it worked. Well, I seemed to have jumped the gun a little bit! The reason it's so subtle is because the gain knob is hardly working. Level and tone controls are working fine, but there is a lot less gain than in the YouTube vids I watched. There is hardly any change in gain as the gain pot moves. Looks like right now I have a Klon buffer and booster! Have to spend some time figuring out what's wrong. I figured it to be my connections on the dual-gang gain pot, but I've checked and rechecked them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Well, I seemed to have jumped the gun a little bit! The reason it's so subtle is because the gain knob is hardly working. Level and tone controls are working fine, but there is a lot less gain than in the YouTube vids I watched. There is hardly any change in gain as the gain pot moves. Looks like right now I have a Klon buffer and booster! Have to spend some time figuring out what's wrong. I figured it to be my connections on the dual-gang gain pot, but I've checked and rechecked them. I did think your comment on the subtlety was odd, since it should have plenty of gain on tap. Can you take the board off of the standoffs or is it stuck in there? I find it much easier to debug outside of the box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 I did think your comment on the subtlety was odd, since it should have plenty of gain on tap. Can you take the board off of the standoffs or is it stuck in there? I find it much easier to debug outside of the box Oh, yeah I've been through every connection. Reflowed many just to make sure. Swapped out ICs. Nothin changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Oh, yeah I've been through every connection. Reflowed many just to make sure. Swapped out ICs. Nothin changed. I know the feeling! Did you make the link on the dual gang? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 I know the feeling! Did you make the link on the dual gang? I did - and that was the first thing I suspected. So I rechecked it and then de-soldered the jumper wire and soldered in a new one just to make sure. I still think the problem must be in that area of the circuit. Unless something is labeled wrong on the layout or the board (which match) I have everything in the right place. I need to email them - perhaps this is something others have encountered with this board/kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I did - and that was the first thing I suspected. So I rechecked it and then de-soldered the jumper wire and soldered in a new one just to make sure. I still think the problem must be in that area of the circuit. Unless something is labeled wrong on the layout or the board (which match) I have everything in the right place. I need to email them - perhaps this is something others have encountered with this board/kit. Have you checked that the dual pot is working? It's pretty unusual that the problem is something other than a build error if you're working from a verified schem/layout. It always helps me to take a break and come back to the project with fresh eyes. I would also double check the resistor values using a calculator like this one to eliminate guesswork http://www.electronics2000.co.uk/calc/resistor-code-calculator.php Type in the numerical value of the resistor first and let it show you the correct color code, then check if the color code matches what you have on the board. I know you said you checked them already, but there's obviously a problem somewhere so it won't hurt to check! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 In the 70's when our BigMuff or MXRPhasor didn't work we said the declevity was off, so you might want to check that as well. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Another thing just occurred to me. If the bypass switch wiring is donked up somehow it could have this result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 Another thing just occurred to me. If the bypass switch wiring is donked up somehow it could have this result Indeed. It definitely uses a different scheme than I normally use, but I believe I followed it spot on. I'll take another look at it after work tonight. I've let it rest for a couple days. If you don't mind, I'll PM you a link to their layout and a pic of mine. Maybe you'll spot something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted January 26, 2016 Author Share Posted January 26, 2016 Well, thanks to the excellent eye of our resident FX wizard, Dub-T-123, this mythical beast is finally unleashed. Turns out I had swapped a 390pf and a 390nf cap. Made all the difference in the world as far as the gain of this thing! Now I can start comparing it to my other dirt boxes. Maybe a shootout is in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevDavidLee Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Well, thanks to the excellent eye of our resident FX wizard, Dub-T-123, this mythical beast is finally unleashed. Turns out I had swapped a 390pf and a 390nf cap. Made all the difference in the world as far as the gain of this thing! Now I can start comparing it to my other dirt boxes. Maybe a shootout is in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Well I'm glad I could help, Pup. I wish I had spotted it sooner, but at least it all worked out. Let me know what you think. For me the silver Klon is probably the best low-medium gain OD I've ever tried. When you crank the gain, meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon S. Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I agree Dub. I loved mine, and left it on most of the time. I used it like a "low gain" channel for my old Bassman and Princetons. When cranked it didn't do too much for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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