Murph Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 My Dad was a gun dealer. He died almost 4 years ago. He kept me up on Clinton/Brady stuff back in the day. But I heard part of Glenn Becks radio show the other day and he was talking about HR?? I forget, and it had to do with ownership and having kids. Just curious, since you're in the biz. Best to ya. Murph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyH Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 It's HR45 and it is something we should all be concerned about, as a civil rights issue, not as a gun issue. This is federal gun registration proposal. The having kids part of it is probably the alias, the "Blair Holt" bill (spelling may be incorrect.) Blair Holt is the name of a kid who was shot. It is common practice for people who want to take your rights away to associate a dead kid with their bills. The bill does not end with registration. There are a number of procedural hoops that all gun owners will need to abide by. Penalties for infractions are severe, and clearly aimed at disarming the gun owner. This sort of thing should alarm every citizen, even if you don't like guns. When we read things like this, and the serious efforts being made to selectively censor political commentary (right wing talk radio), the nationalization of various industries, a bailout of the newspaper industry that has conditions which are designed to control political journalism, we've got a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuckomf Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 When I bought my Ruger, it came with a 10 round mag and two 15 round mags. I have been informed that my 9mm semi-automatic handgun is an assault weapon. I have also been told by my in-laws that my guns had better be out of the house before my wife and I have kids. It's going to be hard to teach my kids to hunt without my modest arsenal, though. When I was growing up, my dad would take us shooting on the weekends, starting when I was about 6. I got a .22 when I was 10 and went squirrel hunting just about every weekend. After I took hunter's safety, my grandpa bought me a .243. That same year I got a 20 gauge for Christmas. My dad had 17 other guns in the gun closet that I could use as long as I bought my own ammo. Incredibly, I'm still alive. Instead of kids gathering information about guns from movies and t.v., they should pass a bill that requires parents to buy their kids a B.B. gun, hand it over to them, and say "If you ever point this at another person, I'm going to slap the **** out of you." Worked for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted April 6, 2009 Author Share Posted April 6, 2009 My 9 year old daughter has a Ruger .22. I was 10 before I got mine. It was a Belgium made Browning "T Bolt" . I still have it. Murph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruznolfart Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 I have also been told by my in-laws that my guns had better be out of the house before my wife and I have kids. That's a good time to just nod your head and smile sweetly. And' date=' if and when the time should come and push comes to shove, use the same smile when you advise your in-laws that it's [u']your [/u]home and your children. "I carry a gun because a cop's too heavy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted April 6, 2009 Author Share Posted April 6, 2009 That's a good time to just nod your head and smile sweetly. And' date=' if and when the time should come and push comes to shove, use the same smile when you advise your in-laws that it's [u']your [/u]home and your children. "I carry a gun because a cop's too heavy" This would be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californiaman Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 ABC is going to show next week just how easy it is to buy a gun from a gun dealer at a gun show. A brother of one of the young ladies who died in the Virginia Tech shooting has been asked by ABC news to buy the guns. They tape him getting guns from dealers before he even enters the show. The news piece is designed to provoke outrage at how simple it is to get around background checks and buy a pistol immediately. It's another in a long list of shows where the government has an agenda and they use the media to stir the collective conscious of society. Ironically, the clip they showed on GMA this morning has the guy buying a Glock pistol, the same make and model his sister was murdered with in Virginia. It will be as I said. A fear factor news piece designed to provoke outrage against gun dealers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruznolfart Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 This would be a problem. For you? Which part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted April 6, 2009 Author Share Posted April 6, 2009 For you? Which part? I wouldn't have children, if I couldn't protect them. Murph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Hey Murph, I have a few suggestions. NUMBER ONE. If your state allows a Concealed Carry Permit, then get it as soon as possible. Nothing speaks louder than statistics, and this is where lawful gun owners are out in the cold. You have to commit a crime to be a statistic, right? Not if you are on the books in your state as a law-abiding, gun-owning, responsible citizen. We need numbers in a positive light to demonstrate what we all know in our hearts to be true. The people who are a problem when they have a gun in their hand are THE CRIMINALS! Get a permit. In most states it's not much tougher than a Driver's Safety course to get out of a ticket - and you can shoot! NUMBER TWO. If you've been thinking about buying a gun, DO IT! One thing the Lefty/Obama crowd HATES to hear is how Obama is the greatest gun salesman this nation has ever seen. Literally MILLIONS of new guns have been sold since he got the Defeatocrat Party nomination over Hillary. Obama has voted for EVERY gun law he was eligible to participate in. Despite his habit of not showing up for votes when he was in the State House/Senate and US Senate - and then not casting a vote the majority of the time he was there, he ALWAYS made it for gun votes. He is on record telling everybody who would listen for the last 15 years that he wants EVERY gun out of private hands. He's only moderated his rhetoric slightly since he's been POTUS, but still supports everything he campaigned on. NUMBER THREE. Join the National Rifle Association and any other 2nd Amendment advocacy group you like. If nothing else, the NRA has several great monthly magazines to choose from. There's strength in numbers, and the NRA is the One Lobby the Defeatocrats truly fear. They have made and broken political careers for people who were smart enough to ally with them or stupid enough to fight them. The NRA is a great family oriented organization and one of the few still "concerned" with Founder's Rights. NUMBER FOUR. If you own guns, then behave like adults. No alcohol, don't shoot at road signs, never show ANYBODY your weapon who didn't ask to see it first. I've never pointed a gun at anybody in my life - I pray I never have to. Don't do it unless you intend to kill. If you go shooting in the countryside, pick up ALL your sh!t - and a little more - to leave it a better place. Make DAMNED sure your weapons are secure, the best way is to tell nobody about them. A stolen gun is a statistic at best, we already discussed that. Worst case - YOUR gun is used in a crime and somebody dies. Ain't gonna happen with mine. In 35 years of owning probably 50 guns, I've never "lost" one and I ain't about to start. NUMBER FIVE. If your spouse is interested at all, include her all you can. If not, then at least reach common ground where she's comfortable. Be patient, they normally warm up gradually - I've seen it a hundred times. My wife grew up around guns and is a damned good shot. She has the confidence to defend herself and know she's much less likely to be a victim than her Liberal coworkers. Teach your children everything you can about guns. This means safe handling first, destructive capability second (Cool!) and the truths about them third. Make sure they are comfortable and familiar with them, and that they understand it's something they can be good at. There's nothing prouder than an 8 year old marksman (or woman) with a target as proof of their skill. I've done it dozens of times with kids, they ALL loved it after their initial trepidation was overcome with patience. NUMBER SIX. Talk to your friends and coworkers. See if any of them are interested in shooting. If so, make a date. All my life I've gone shooting with people I worked with. Friends are a given - I don't have any anti-gun friends.... It's a great way to learn together, encourage each other, socialize - just like golf! And finally, If you've voted for a Democrat in the last 20 years you don't deserve to own a gun. This is not to piss anybody off, it's simply the truth. Before you get mad, show me the name of ANY Democrat you voted for who has NOT worked for 'gun control.' There are very few, and this is one instance where Party affilliation is EVERYTHING. Democrats are for gun control 99.9% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FennRx Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 aww...c'mon on neo. cant you find it in your heart to forgive me for occasionally voting against you? since december, i've bought a Smith 642, a Smith Sigma 9ve, Taurus PT-145, Beretta Model 21a and a DPMS Panther Lite 16. might snag a Kel-tec .32 or .38 if i see one. i love pocket guns. i go to the range at least 1 or 2 times a month. practice makes perfect. i drag the wife along when i can. i've signed up for and received my lifetime carry permit. i am currently waiting on my wife's permit. i have joined the NRA. i took an anti-gun friend to the range. he had never shot a gun before. i let him shoot my sigma and Panther. as he was getting ready to go back to IL, he says to me "i think im going to apply for a FOI card when i get home. i think maybe i should have something for protection." i asked him what he was thinking and he says "i dunno. maybe something like your 9mm...though that AR is hella cool." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted April 6, 2009 Author Share Posted April 6, 2009 Yea, I'm covered Neo, like I said, my Dad was a dealer and I hunt and kill BIG (corn fed) deer here in Illinois. I was just wondering what you knew about HR45, and other sneaky bills that are sure to be coming up. Murph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarooster52 Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 The US contemplating a gun registration???? That is just not going to work. We have a gun registration in Canada and it is the most ridiculous waste of money you can imagine. It has cost us around 2 Billion so far and now the talk is to abandon it. Why???? because the wrong people are registering their guns. Can you imagine a criminal using a lawfully registered gun? You have so many guns in the US, that law would be unenforceable. You need what we need in Canada...Gang Control...not gun control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FennRx Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 =D> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyH Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Guitarooster: Nice avatar! I drool at the sight of it! The US is now a socialist country, so we can expect more constraints on the people. I don't want to lose rights, but as a day to day hassle, it's tax fiddling that really irks me. When I lived in England, there was an environment where people would help you evade the various confiscatory taxes. I was told that only about 10 years earlier people would have been more inclined to report irregularities affecting taxes. But while I was there, EVERYBODY evaded taxes in some way. They had to. Taxation was ridiculous. So where can we go? The US is no longer an option. It's too unstable, and probably will be for ten years. Germany is coming through this very well, and will actually be making money on the "global crisis", thanks largely to the profligate spending of the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted April 6, 2009 Author Share Posted April 6, 2009 Guitarooster: The US is no longer an option. It's too unstable' date=' and probably will be for ten years.[/quote'] I'm thinking it'll be less than 4 years, from now....... Murph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 I used to collect miltary rifles so I got my Curio & Relic license so I could buy various old bolt action rifles on the (dirt) cheap. I lost interest after a few years and a collector bought the entire lot of 20 or 25 at a good price. I held onto a couple that I really liked, a 1904 Swedish Mauser stamped #1 on the disc (Swede freaks will know what I mean) and an 1895 Mosin Nagant model 91 that still had the Czar crest intact and the rear sight stamped in Arshins.... it also had Finnish proof marks so it probably had a colorful history. I kept those for a couple more years until someone came along and offered me a downright rude amount of money for them so they went away. Still got the 1906 S&W M&P, the S&W model 64 (my favorite and an extension of my right hand), an RG .38 with bobbed hammer, an H&R 949 for stalking the wild soda can, a CZ52 because it's the cheapest Cadillac semi-auto that was ever made, and a half dozen mouse guns. Yes, I like mouse guns, sue me. I don't own a center fire rifle anymore. I do have my father's Springfield Reliance .22 he bought in 1934 for $3.98 and a Remington bolt 22 made in 1936. There's a handful of old 12 gauge shotguns stuffed away in the gun locker, nothing of note but important to me. I do have a 16 gauge JC Higgins cut to 20" and converted to a pistol grip (all legal size as per the letter I received from the ATF prior to surgery) that, once fired, will make you wish you hadn't. It's more of a wall hanger unless I decide to become the Masochist of the Century. I have had my carry permit since '98 even though I can't remember the last time I actually carried. It's there if I want or need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 aww...c'mon on neo. cant you find it in your heart to forgive me for occasionally voting against you? Looks like you're doing everything right except the ballot box. Why would you vote against your own interests? Look at the names attached to all these new gun control measures, how many Republicans do you see there? I guess it's easy for me. The Republican party is by far the better aligned with my values so I feel no conflict in voting R. If they would only get their heads out of their asses.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Before you get mad' date=' show me the name of ANY Democrat you voted for who has NOT worked for gun control. There are very few, and this is one instance where Party affilliation is EVERYTHING.Democrats are for gun control 99.9% of the time.[/quote'] Okay, here are some of the exceptions to your claim that party affiliation (I spelled it right) is EVERYTHING.... -- The Assault Weapons Ban that passed in 1994 was a key part of H.R. 3355. In the initial Senate vote the Republicans supported the bill nearly as much as the democrats. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s1993-384 -- Also H.R. 6257: Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008 was sponsored by five Republicans and no Democrats http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-6257 -- Finally, 65 Democrats from the House of Representatives recently signed a letter stating their opposition to the reinstatement of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban... That's 25% of House Democrats (and 20% of the total U.S. Congressional Democratic membership) who have stated opposition to a piece of anti-gun legislation. http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/washington-whispers/2009/03/23/some-democrats-and-the-nra-agree-on-assault-weapons-ban.html Things are never as black and white as they seem on these issues. Life is just not that simple. Painting it as a total partisan issue is over simplification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FennRx Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 notice i said occasionally... 1) i am a new convert. previously a pro-gun control guy 2) while some may disagree, the 2A isnt necessarily my #1 interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 party affiliation (I spelled it right) DOH! One "L"..... Thanks SP! Yeah, good job on the homework! I'll look into it. Remember the context of the times with each of those votes you cite. Republicans on the wrong side of the aisle will NEVER get my vote (you listening McCain?) and Democrats playing along often do so at the sake of political expediency. The NRA and voter revolt are foremost in their minds when they think about re-election. Find me a Dem with a pro gun record, that was more my intent. They are rare. Many of the Dems you cite probably have a list of public statements reaffirming their commitment to "sensible" gun laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 notice i said occasionally... 1) i am a new convert. previously a pro-gun control guy 2) while some may disagree' date=' the 2A isnt necessarily my #1 interest. [/quote'] You're a good egg, Fenn! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Find me a Dem with a pro gun record' date=' that was more my intent. They are rare. [/quote'] Agreed - but I think Senators Max Baucus and Jon Tester from Montana might meet your standards. http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2009/03/30/news/local/news02.txt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaPic Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Okay' date=' here are some of the exceptions to your claim that party affiliation (I spelled it right) is EVERYTHING.... -- The Assault Weapons Ban that passed in 1994 was a key part of H.R. 3355. In the initial Senate vote the Republicans supported the bill nearly as much as the democrats. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s1993-384 -- Also H.R. 6257: Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008 was sponsored by five Republicans and no Democrats http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-6257 -- Finally, 65 Democrats from the House of Representatives recently signed a letter stating their opposition to the reinstatement of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban... That's 25% of House Democrats (and 20% of the total U.S. Congressional Democratic membership) who have stated opposition to a piece of anti-gun legislation. http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/washington-whispers/2009/03/23/some-democrats-and-the-nra-agree-on-assault-weapons-ban.html Things are never as black and white as they seem on these issues. Life is just not that simple. Painting it as a total partisan issue is over simplification. [/quote'] Well put Bud. We like to see references to actual facts instead of blanket statements like these: "NUMBER TWO. If you've been thinking about buying a gun, DO IT! One thing the Lefty/Obama crowd HATES to hear is how Obama is the greatest gun salesman this nation has ever seen. Literally MILLIONS of new guns have been sold since he got the Defeatocrat Party nomination over Hillary. Obama has voted for EVERY gun law he was eligible to participate in. Despite his habit of not showing up for votes when he was in the State House/Senate and US Senate - and then not casting a vote the majority of the time he was there, he ALWAYS made it for gun votes. He is on record telling everybody who would listen for the last 15 years that he wants EVERY gun out of private hands. He's only moderated his rhetoric slightly since he's been POTUS, but still supports everything he campaigned on." ...which are totally unsupported by references. If these statements are true, perhaps the author will take the time to cite the actual facts of the matter including the who, what, when, where and how. Otherwise it is nothing but opinion at best and <fill in the blank> at worst. Pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruznolfart Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 I wouldn't have children' date=' if I couldn't protect them. Murph.[/quote'] I see. Thanks for the clarification. Our feelings are very similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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