jdgm Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 (edited) @Larsongs I think there is a definite difference which becomes more pronounced the longer the length of string between tailpiece and bridge. I suppose mass of the tailpiece also matters. The stop tailpiece is well-named as string resonance decays very quickly. With a trapeze, the tailpiece itself contributes resonance. IMO but I think this is measurable in terms of overtones and harmonics. There must be research on it... Edited November 6, 2022 by jdgm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 (edited) There no 2 Guitars sound exactly alike even if they’re the same Specs.. It seems like that test would be very difficult for a Lab to assess… Maybe… Edited November 7, 2022 by Larsongs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead59 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 I have a 135 1994 with P100s. I dont like bigsbys but I don't like P100s either. I love the way mine feels. Its different than a stopped tailpiece. I have a bigsby equipped SG. Its a pain to restring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the other side Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 I was told the trapeze tail piece was called a "Floating Bridge". I had one on an F hole Gibson and didn't care much for it. Terminology is evidently different where you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, the other side said: I was told the trapeze tail piece was called a "Floating Bridge". I had one on an F hole Gibson and didn't care much for it. Terminology is evidently different where you go. You were told wrong. This is a trapeze tail piece: NOTE: it does not incorporate a bridge This is a traditional floating bridge & the kind discussed in this thread. Guitars with vibrato systems are also referred to as floating bridges, but are very different animals Edited March 17, 2023 by merciful-evans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 On 10/29/2022 at 1:28 AM, Sheepdog1969 said: I have a 1950 something Harmony "F-hole" acoustic with a trapeze tail piece. We had one of those in our family when I was growing up. It had a pickup, might have been early 60's? It was the one everybody grabbed for at jam sessions, loud and played great. Fix it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 16 hours ago, Hammerhead59 said: I have a 135 1994 with P100s. I dont like bigsbys but I don't like P100s either. I love the way mine feels. Its different than a stopped tailpiece. I have a bigsby equipped SG. Its a pain to restring. It’s pretty easy if you use a Capo to hold down the Strings…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 I have 4 Casino’s including a newish USA Ccasino.. One has a Tremotone, one has a Bigsby & the other 2 have Trapeze Tailpieces.. Each Guitar sounds a little bit different.. The ones with the Trapeze Tailpieces sound as great as the ones without… I’m not a fan of floating Bridges though! They are an unnecessary pain in the you know what.. Luckily the a lot of the newer Gretsch’s have pinned Bridges… My old Gretsch G-5120 has the Floating Bridge & it’s a little extra work to change Strings. I’m glad my new Gretsch White Falcon has the Pinned Bridge.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdgm Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) Excellent thread IMO. Tonepros 'floating' - and locking - roller bridge on 2013 ES-175 w. Bigsby, P94s - Floating, wood, uncompensated - Edited March 17, 2023 by jdgm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sheepdog1969 Posted April 16, 2023 Author Share Posted April 16, 2023 The back of the guitar is separating from the body across the top, (below the neck). I will upload a more detailed pic when I have some time. (I have been "radio silent" for a bit because my mother passed away a few weeks ago after a 6 year struggle with frontal lobe dementia.) I am trying to figure out if I need to use a "steam box" to allow the wood to become more flexible, or if there may be a better method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twang Gang Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 Interesting discussion, but the original question was is there a difference in "TONE" between trapeze tailpiece guitars and those with a stop tail. I've owned several of both (although not identical guitars except for tailpieces). I don't think the type of tailpiece has much effect on tone. I believe the pickups, and settings you use on the guitar and amplifier contribute most to the tone, those are followed by the body of the guitar (tonewoods, semi hollow, hollow or solid), strings used (flat or round wounds) all contribute to the tone, but the tailpiece very little. I believe there is a difference in feel of strings going to a stop bar and those going to a trapeze, and the difference in feel can cause a change your attack of the strings as you strum or pick. That difference in attack will have an effect on the "sound" of the guitar which of course might include tone. But if you had two identical guitars lying flat on a table, one with a stop bar and one with a trapeze, and you strummed them with some sort of mechanical device (so they were strummed exactly the same) I don't think you'd hear a difference in tone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 On 4/16/2023 at 11:14 AM, Sheepdog1969 said: The back of the guitar is separating from the body across the top, (below the neck). I will upload a more detailed pic when I have some time. (I have been "radio silent" for a bit because my mother passed away a few weeks ago after a 6 year struggle with frontal lobe dementia.) I am trying to figure out if I need to use a "steam box" to allow the wood to become more flexible, or if there may be a better method. Sorry to hear you lost your mother. Its a heavy loss. Advice on re-attaching the back panel? That's not something I feel competent to comment on. Whatever method is used, after gluing the back on, the guitar will need tape or elasticated straps to keep it in place. Is the back bound? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 I love Gibson style Stop Bar guitars, which allow me to only use the Stop Bar Studs to mount my Duesenberg Les Trem II Tremolo, with no extra screws. and they can be removed leaving no damage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 15 hours ago, mihcmac said: I love Gibson style Stop Bar guitars, which allow me to only use the Stop Bar Studs to mount my Duesenberg Les Trem II Tremolo, with no extra screws. and they can be removed leaving no damage Do you notice much difference between the notched and roller saddles when using the vibrato? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 7 hours ago, merciful-evans said: Do you notice much difference between the notched and roller saddles when using the vibrato? Using a notched bridge when there is not a lot of string angle going over it works well but will move a little with the tremolo. With more angle like a sculpted top LP or an ES I think the roller bridge works better minimizing the amount of bridge movement or string breakage. I do like the Duesenberg trems because they don't damage the guitar, I have more guitars than trems and my trems get moved to the guitars that they work the best on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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