NeoConMan Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Maybe we could learn a thing or two from our cousins across the oceans, and get back to what worked here at one time. Here's a letter to the editor in my local paper. My wife is an elementary school teacher by the way, and gives a ringing endorsement. Moms should set an example While in the Philippines, which Americans consider a Third World country, I noticed an interesting concept. While enrolling a friend's child in school there, we were given a school handbook. What I really found interesting is parents aren't allowed to drop off or pick up their kids in shorts or low-cut blouses no matter the grade. The manual says modesty is an important part of education and begins with the parents. Perhaps if U.S. mothers would follow this example while away from home, skimpy teenage outfits in the U.S. would not be such a popular trend. In addition, not just in schools, are pictures of their country's president and local mayor denoting the damage illegal drugs can cause. Not a bad idea. I help out at my wife's school a lot, I was just there Monday. It's bad enough how the parents dress when they appear to claim their children, but the teachers drive me crazy. With summer school in session the teachers seem to think it's time for beach apparel. It's bad enough to wear casual bar-hopping clothes to work during the regular year, but when the skimpiness reveals multiple tats in addition to multpile piercings I would have to say professionalism is being challenged. Nobody says anything to the administrators and they seem to ignore it, but then gossip is in high gear. Professional teachers turn into catty chatty Cathy's while demeaning those out of earshot. "Did you see that top Whatshername has on? You can see right thru it!" "It looks like Whatshername got some new tats, she has six across her shoulders to match the tramp stamp." The music teacher has a fxcking ring in her nose! Most are single mothers (never married) with an education but zero morals. Wonder how well-adjusted their own kids are gonna be? Great.... Anybody wonder why all the kids in first grade want tats and can faithfully mimic their parents smoking a joint? What a brave new world we live in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fool on The Hill Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Morality is subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 Um.... okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymisterk Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 As a teacher, I firmly believe that we must act like the people we want our students to become. That means dressing modestly and professionally, not cursing or cutting our colleagues or students down, and always striving to do what is best for the kids we are charged with educating. Honestly, the nose ring doesn't bother me; if she's a good, caring music teacher, then that's fine with me. But teachers who wear revealing clothes set a bad example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrosurfer1959 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 So tattoos are immoral now? damn when did that happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky4 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Imagine what will be acceptable ten years from now. I've noticed taking the Lords name in vain is commonplace on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrosion of conformity Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 As long as they're not revealing themselves, teachers, along with the rest of us, should be able to wear whatever they please! It's not illegal to have tattoos or piercings, and why get them if you can't show them? (unless of course they're in innapropriate places) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macklanders Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Imagine what will be acceptable ten years from now. I've noticed taking the Lords name in vain is commonplace on TV. So if they stop swearing on T.V.' date=' kids will stop swearing in real life..... and parents never swear in front of their children....no that never happens..:- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Beam Me Up..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundergod Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 It's bad enough how the parents dress when they appear to claim their children' date=' but the teachers drive me crazy. With summer school in session the teachers seem to think it's time for beach apparel. It's bad enough to wear casual bar-hopping clothes to work during the regular year, but when the skimpiness reveals multiple tats in addition to multpile piercings I would have to say professionalism is being challenged. [/quote'] First let me say: -Don't have anything against tatoos. I just chose not to have any (I hate and fear needles, I can't even watch them on movies or pics of them) -I don't have anything against people who use and abuse drugs. I just chose to stay away from them. -I love porn (and this I say because of what I'm about to say). There's this other "porn" thread in the lounge, and coincidentially one of the young members told us there that 2 of his teachers used to be in porn. :- So, after reading this post by Neo (which, I have to admit, guided by the title I thought was going somewhere else) I have to ask you guys: WHAT KIND OF SOCIETY WITH WHAT KIND OF VALUES DO WE* LIVE IN, WHEN PARENTS AND TEACHERS ARE SETTING THE BAD EXAMPLE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE? Isn't it enough with TV, paris hilton, the internet and their school friends? Now a parent has to be worried about his son/daugther's friends parents and about their teachers too. *I say "we" because I live in a country with a highly "americanized" culture. ...and to think I opened this thread looking for a fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californiaman Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Good point TG. I agree. Many of the teachers I know are completely sold out to an anything goes society. If it feels good do it. If you want to do that it's OK, just don't push your values on me or interrupt my family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 WHAT KIND OF SOCIETY WITH WHAT KIND OF VALUES DO WE* LIVE IN' date=' WHEN PARENTS AND TEACHERS ARE SETTING THE BAD EXAMPLE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE? Isn't it enough with TV, paris hilton, the internet and their school friends? Now a parent has to be worried about his son/daugther's friends parents and about their teachers too. [/quote'] Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homz Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 I've got a Mr. Yuck on my right bicep. That's the poison control symbol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 You're not a teacher - or a woman. (I think...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky4 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 So if they stop swearing on T.V.' date=' kids will stop swearing in real life..... and parents never swear in front of their children....no that never happens..:- So everything goes? There is right and wrong. We have to draw a line somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homz Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 You're not a teacher - or a woman.(I think...) I am a teacher of life lessons. You could use some learning' date=' boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymisterk Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Good point TG.I agree. Many of the teachers I know are completely sold out to an anything goes society. If it feels good do it. If you want to do that it's OK' date=' just don't push your values on me or interrupt my family. [/quote'] Not the teachers I work with. I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, but the people I work with are solid, caring, moral people who take their jobs very seriously. There are always a few idiot teachers who do stupid things and make it into the papers and make us all look bad. But the conduct of most teachers is beyond reproach. There are a hundred ways teachers can get fired in this day and age - and it should be that way, for the most part - but again, most teachers never even think of those 100 ways because they are already good people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSG_Standard Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 We used to have something called propriety...not practised to much anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 Not the teachers I work with. I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors' date=' but the people I work with are solid, caring, moral people who take their jobs very seriously. There are always a few idiot teachers who do stupid things and make it into the papers and make us all look bad. But the conduct of most teachers is beyond reproach. There are a hundred ways teachers can get fired in this day and age - and it should be that way, for the most part - but again, most teachers never even think of those 100 ways because they are already good people.[/quote']What a bunch of uptight moralistic, paranoid, lock-step do-gooders! They need to work in the inner-city Phoenix districts with the high illegal/low English-speaking population. Seems ANYTHING goes and they pay the best in the state - which ain't saying much nationally, AZ ranks low all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymisterk Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 What a bunch of uptight moralistic' date=' paranoid, lock-step do-gooders! They need to work in the inner-city Phoenix districts with the high illegal/low English-speaking population. Seems ANYTHING goes and they pay the best in the state - which ain't saying much nationally, AZ ranks low all the time. [/quote'] Your wife has probably told you about how special education law has run amok in recent years. Teachers live in fear of violating a student's "rights" and ending up in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepblue Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 While in the Philippines, which Americans consider a Third World country, I noticed an interesting concept. I was over there last year with my wife. We dont realize how good we have it over here. I find the kids have next to nothing, but are happy, respectful and full of life. and the woman......oh yes, the woman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 My last two years of high school were in a place that required coat and tie. <grin> Seriously, I don't think this is so much a question of morality but of professionalism and decorum. Actually I think one thing that has struck me over the past number of years is that "we" tend to get respect quite frequently by the way we both dress and present ourselves otherwise. I'll never forget when I was in charge of a newsroom filled with young people, one very talented young woman staffer complained that a 50-something woman in the front office had referred to her as "the girl in the next office." Okay. But the younger woman was wearing a faded "T" shirt and jeans with rips in the leg, unkempt hair... etc., etc. At that time, some 15 years ago already, that "look" was one of teenagers and college students, not professionals. That was reflected in the older woman's comment, right or wrong. OTOH, that may be taken on occasion as a bit much. There's no way I'd wear a suit in my current job. Jacket, tie and jeans likely would make it, but not the suit. Teachers holler about getting no "professional" respect, but where I live they're among the most highly paid folks in the community and yet the school secretaries frequently are more professionally attired and their paychecks tend to run about half of the teachers' salaries. This isn't so much a matter of "morals" as being accepted as one presents oneself, whether that's how the presenter prefers to be perceived or not. I'll add that I've seen more than a few high school girls dressing in class as though they were auditioning for Las Vegas hooker roles in "Pretty Woman" or something similar. Again, I'm not so certain that the appearance is so much "immoral" as it is inappropriate for something most of us consider rather serious even though it should be a relatively rewarding experience both for students and teachers. As for where the language has gone in terms of various epithets that once never were published in newspapers, yeah, that kind of bothers me, too. But I think that some of the horrid grammar, especially from teachers, is almost worse than improper language. This may surprise some folks here, but even the PRCA (ProRodeo folks) have a dress code for competitors and staff. I follow it myself and find life a lot easier for a reporter/photographer behind the chutes. I think that's part of a lesson that may be of value in other venues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 Potassium, I've seen it first hand. Administrators have no spine and teachers walk the plank. You can dismiss all you've ever read from me, but believe this; The Superintendent of a couple districts here have had extensive conversations with me. I've been in Tom Horne's office in the AZ state system, trying to get an audience with him twice. http://www.ade.state.az.us/ Though we agree in principle on many things (so his publicity states) he is a spineless twerp. My wife teaches in the Alhambra district and several of their principles won't speak to me. They all talk about what we should do, but NOBODY WILL DO IT!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 the school secretaries frequently are more professionally attired and their paychecks tend to run about half of the teachers' salaries. I think that some of the horrid grammar' date=' especially from teachers, is almost worse than improper language.[/quote'] True on both counts! I see some of the horrible grammar these professionals use in official school documents, and they get mad when corrected. I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homz Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 We get letters from our local school system all the time with grammar and spelling mistakes. My wife reads them and just can't believe these are the people who are supposed to be teaching our kids. Yeah, I know my grammar and spelling suxx. If you must remind me then feel free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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