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I'm learning Chicago blues & have been practicing on my faithful Strat through a Super Champ XD. I'm looking for an instrument with a fuller, rounder sound - think BB King - and have played both the Epi Dot and Alleykat. I like the smaller Alleykat body.

 

1. Which of the moderately priced Epi's would produce that Chicago blues sound the best?

 

2. If the Alleykat is an option, I need to learn more about it. Pros/cons. I know it's discontinued, but I played a new one recently at a local music store. It was in Heritage Cherry Sunburst. Did the Alleykat ever come in other colors like the Dot's Natural or Cherry finishes?

 

Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

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Bloomfield used a Telecaster, first...then the Les Paul. So, his "tone" was mostly in his heart/soul, and fingers!

I've achieve that "BB King" tone, with a Telecaster, too. I have a Gibson "Lucille," for comparison, so I know it's possible.

But...to answer your question...a "Dot," Sheraton, or the Alleykat, would all work...just fine! You do need some

volume, to get to that "Sweet spot" (where tone and that creamy distortion live) in the amp. But, if "bedroom"

volumes are all that's allowed, a good "overdrive" pedal will get you quite close. The Alleykat is really cool, in

that it not only has the smaller body, but..the "mini-humbucker" in the neck position...which keeps it from getting "muddy,"

as some full size humbuckers might do. But, really...anything (including your Strat) will work. The Blues is about feeling,

and a "style," more than any particular guitar. Buddy Guy uses as Strat, and he's about as "Chicago Blues" as you get! LOL!

 

CB

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Lots of great information. Thanks. Charlie Brown is right on the money with his comments. I understand. Unfortunately, I need all the help can get. Even if I played golf with Tiger Woods' golf clubs, I still couldn't break 100. I know it's not always about the equipment - or guitar.

 

I guess I should be asking, which pick-ups naturally produce more of of blues sound - the humbuckers or the P-90's? Can the small body guitars - Alleykat & Wildkat - produce the same tone as the larger models? Thanks.

 

BTW the Super Champ XD is not "some whiney little amp." For use in my home, it produces a wide variety of beautiful tones -- tubes and very good amp modeling.

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I haven't had a chance to try out a "Super Champ XD," but from what I've read, and heard from other's that have,

it's an excellent little amp! (Might have to get me one, as well?) P-90's are AWEsome "Blues" pickups! They have

lovely cleans, bright and articulate, and can get "down and dirty" with the best of them...without getting muddy.

Humbuckers are excellent, too. Just a bit different in tone and response...SO...I may depend on what "tone" YOU prefer, as

opposed to "which is better?" That's always such a subjective question/opinion, etc. Some great "blues" was done

with full hollow bodied "Jazz" boxes, too. So, again...depends on what you really like/prefer, tone wise. The Semi's

(thin-lines 335 equiv.) are the best compromise, between solid body (LP/SG) and full hollow bodied Jazz boxes...IMHO.

So...

 

CB

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If you listen to some of the early recordings of "Chicago Blues" the guitars actually "BOING" rather than the fat sound that's so popular. The key is technique and the most important ingredient is SOUL. If you don't feel it, it's just a note.

 

If you feel the sound, you can make the sound. It comes from inside you, not from the instrument. "Music is what feelings sound like... especially the blues."

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Speaking of "Semi-hollow bodied" (335 types)...if you lean toward P-90's, and can wait about 4-5 months, the Epiphone "Riviera P-93LE" is a MONSTER guitar, especially for the price...499.99. Several of us, here...have them, and I can't say enough good things about mine! The 4-5 month wait, is because they seem to be sold out, until late March, early April? But, if you can find one, somewhere...check it out. Might be just your "cup of tea,"....or not? But most of us, that have them, LOVE them, and at the time, we ALL "took a chance," because they were really "unknown" and a brand new, limited edition, model. But, at that price point, it was a gamble I/we felt was worth the pursuing. For myself, it may have been the best $499.99 I've ever spent, on a guitar. Gush, Gush, Gush!! LOL!

 

CB

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For good electric blues (Chicago, Liverpool, wherever..., it's all good) amp/effects/speaker are more important than the guitar. I suggest trying a real good compressor and distortion pedal before throwing your strat baby out with the bathwater.

 

It comes from inside you' date=' not from the instrument. "Music is what feelings sound like... especially the blues."[/quote']

Amen Rev. for preachin' Blues church 101.

 

Check out John Mayall's 70th birthday concert (2003) - three tremendous bluesmen just laying it flat...

Buddy Whittington - strat - solid body

Eric Clapton - strat - solid body

Mick Taylor - LP - tele - solid bodies

More proof that make/model guitars are of minimal/no importance for electric blues.

 

WELCOME to the forum DrGregC!

 

Hit every BLUE NOTE baaaby..., I'm going to play on:-"

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Speaking of "Semi-hollow bodied" (335 types)...if you lean toward P-90's' date=' and can wait about 4-5 months, the Epiphone "Riviera P-93LE" is a MONSTER guitar, especially for the price...499.99. [/quote']

 

You are certain that it's going to come back on the market at $499.99 CB! I hope so, beacuse I'm vacationing in Virginia in the spring, and I'm sure that I will somehow end up in Guitar Center in Richmond....

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Actually, MOST of Epi's Hollow/Semi Hollow's and several of their solid bodies as well would put out

fine C'Blues tones.

I get howling tones from a stock Sheraton II, but a Casino, Dot, Any of the "Cat" models, and most Jazz Boxes

would be suitable.

I also get nasty tones from an SG, a V-Factor(a VERY pleasant surprise), a Tele (w/hot p'ups & a Bigsby), and a GLP.

 

Once I get my amp set just right, (modeling a Twin reverb, Bassman, or Dumble o/d special) almost any of my guitars will produce the growl/squeal I'm looking for.

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Talk about Chicago blues...

There's a new flick coming out this coming weekend entitled Cadillac Blues, about the early days of Chess Records--and that's about as "Chicago blues" as you can get! Methinks Beyonce is playing Etta James. Never mind that for now. I saw a still in the local fishwrap of someone (couldn't recognize who--I'll feel real silly when someone fills us in on this) appearing to play Muddy (and in the background, someone appearing to play Little Walter) at a recording studio, playing a goldtop LP with P90s. Yeah, Epi discontinued the '56 replica, but some shops still have them hanging around, and there's always the used/ebay etc. route.

This was also a prominent ax in the works of Hubert Sumlin (see above: "...about as 'Chicago' blues as you can get..."), and there's an early photo of Hooker with one, too.

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You are certain that it's going to come back on the market at $499.99 CB! I hope so' date=' beacuse I'm vacationing in Virginia in the spring, and I'm sure that I will somehow end up in Guitar Center in Richmond....[/quote']

 

LOL! I'm not "certain," of anything except death and taxes!! Much less what Gibson or Epiphone will do, with guitars! BUT, we're all "Hoping" they will continue making the Riviera P-93LE. But, only Epiphone knows that, for sure.

Time will tell...

 

CB

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If I was a betting man I'm guessing that Epi didn't count on the tremendous response they got with the P-93. I think they originally intended to make 'just one batch' and when tha batch sold out in (what seemed) like a matter of days they decided that maybe they'd better make another batch.

 

Just my opinion.

 

BTW, I'm one who bought one.

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