taxman Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 And' date=' yeah...I think a video, on the web page, of the "Rooftop Concert," or Paul playing "Good Day Sunshine" might sell a few Epi's, at that. So there! LOL! CB[/quote'] No way. A video of "Good Day Sunshine" will turn all prospective buyers into Stones fans and they will immediately click onto a Fender site looking for a Tele. Keith never played anything as sugary and bad as "Good Day Sunshine." But, yes, you are so right about the rooftop concert. A video of that would be fantastic. Everyone loves "Get Back" and it demonstrates the versatility of the Casino in one song - rhythm and lead! Plus the guitar looks so cool in that rooftop concert...and in your avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Totally disagree It was because of opinions like the above' date=' I never gave Epiphone a chance, (shame on me). ... During my time when I played the guitar professionally, I really missed out on having a nice Epi because of the low price, and the so-called quality stigma attached to that low price. It wasn't until recently when I played my pals JL Rev that I realized I missed the Epi boat all these years. Even my Luthier when he set up my JL Rev was astonished how well balanced the guitar was and put together. And rated it above all his Gibson 335's that he owns. I've played vintage Epi's and the new ones, and despite the geography where the new Epi's are made, they are without a doubt the best value for the money. I have a Gibson Les Paul Custom and SG, and since the arrival of my two Epi's, my Gibby's hardly get removed from their respective cases. IMO, it's pretty slanderous on your part to hint that Epi would use the cheapest materials/components available to build their guitars. And is very misleading to the musicians that own or plan to own a newer Epi. Based on your opinions of the current Epi instruments, you might consider moving on to another brand and discussion board. [/quote'] Did you ever gather up enough parts to make that yard sale Casino complete? Oh, and unless you are singularly supporting him financially, he isn't your luthier ...and the guy who sets up guitars at Guitar Center isn't a luthier...he's a guy who isn't making enough money with his band and has found a way to help with the rent... anyway lol but it's still fun to say things like "my luthier" and "my guitar tech" almost like being interviewed for Guitar Player or something lol This board is about Epiphones...and I know that also includes the cheap down-market Asian crap they've been selling for the past thirty five years but on the other hand it also includes the real high end Epiphones made during the Gibson tenure and the Stathopoulo era so no, thanx, but I'm fine right here. I'd love to see a photo of that Les Paul Custom...show me yours and I'll show you mine...and your geography point...total bullsh!t concocted to make owners of Asian guitars feel better..and it's no secret that Epiphones and all Asian guitars for that matter are made cheap and cheaply using the cheapest labor and materials..and we both know that but since you own all those Gibsons it's probably easier for you to deal with.. Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Keith never played anything as sugary and bad as "Good Day Sunshine." The above would spark a nice debate:-k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 The above would spark a nice debate:-k Not really. In fact I can take it a step further - NO ONE ever played anything as sugary and bad as "Good Day Sunshine." No one except Paul, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardLionhart Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 ...and the guy who sets up guitars at Guitar Center isn't a luthier...he's a guy who isn't making enough money with his band and has found a way to help with the rent... anyway lol but it's still fun to say things like "my luthier" and "my guitar tech" almost like being interviewed for Guitar Player or something lol Now THAT is funny to me. I would have to agree with you for the most part, as that totally seems to ring true for my area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted December 23, 2008 Author Share Posted December 23, 2008 No way. A video of "Good Day Sunshine" will turn all prospective buyers into Stones fans and they will immediately click onto a Fender site looking for a Tele. Keith never played anything as sugary and bad as "Good Day Sunshine." But' date=' yes, you are so right about the rooftop concert. A video of that would be fantastic. Everyone loves "Get Back" and it demonstrates the versatility of the Casino in one song - rhythm and lead! Plus the guitar looks so cool in that rooftop concert...and in your avatar. [/quote'] Whatever, I wasn't being that serious. And...Paul was/is known for his "sugary"..."Silly Love Songs," so a Keith Richards comparison isn't really one "I'd" make, but that's ok. "As Tears Go By," is pretty sentimental/sugary... but, a nice song, all the same! Also...Paul can "rock out," with the best of them, when he wants to. But...the "Rooftop Concert" is (probably) a more universal choice...I don't disagree. Would be fun, if Epiphone would do that! I won't hold my breath, though. ;>) CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitmore Willy Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 It's been interesting....anyways, Merry Christmas one and All.... See you in a couple days...Best wishes to you and yours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alanhindle Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 You mean give a toss as in caring about whether that which you believe has any validity or truth or that it's just another childish fantasy to help prop up the sh!t you own that you'd like to believe is something special...and you'd rather not know the truth or any of the background information because that spoils the day dream? Nelson No, I really and truly don't give a monkey's toss and, what I was referring to when I said that, was your general opinion. What went on 50 years ago or whenever it was when guitars were all totally hand built with top quality materials is not one of the first things I think about each time I wake up in the morning. Nor would I wake up in wonderment at how much I had spent on my guitars compared to the low life below me, when I still can't play to save my life. All I know is that I enjoy all the guitars I own (i.e. the sh*t that you refer to) and that they are all exceptional quality for the money. That is good enough for me. If anybody thinks high cost modern Gibsons are better than Epis on a quality for $ basis, then they suffer from a condition known as QDD: Quality Delusion Disorder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefferySmith Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I am out of the loop enough to not know who is famous today who plays an Epiphone. Paul, George, and John played them (and actually PAID for them, I think), but none of them are active these days. In the 1960's, Epiphones were nearly a Gibson, built in the same factory. With the demise of Elitists (I think the Japanese were losing money on making them, like Toyota), I don't know of any professional who will adopt an Epiphone as their primary instrument. BUT, as you said, Slash doesn't play one either. So, Epiphone, you don't have a person to use as a music idol using an Epiphone. Your guitars are for Joe the Plumberand old farts who like them despite their not having a star sponsor. Please take that annoying Slash video and sound from your website! But in defense of CB, Gretsch is still milking the name of Chet Atkins in selling its guitars. Who uses a Gretsch these days? Brian Setzer? Does he still play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I wasn't being that serious either. But I do feel that Slash can sell more guitars nowadays than George, Paul, or John. Sad but true. It seems many here are forgetting that Slash is not some relic from the hair band 80s days. Slash had some very recent hits with the band Velvet Revolver. That band was a lot more successful than you might realize. In fact I'd say a good portion of their listeners were far too young to even know who Slash was during Guns N Roses' hey day. To many, Slash is a current player who cranked out tunes with the very successful alternative band Velvet Revolver. The guy is still very current. Epiphone is right in using him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefferySmith Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I wasn't being that serious either. But I do feel that Slash can sell more guitars nowadays than George' date=' Paul, or John. Sad but true. It seems many here are forgetting that Slash is not some relic from the hair band 80s days. Slash had some very recent hits with the band Velvet Revolver. That band was a lot more successful than you might realize. In fact I'd say a good portion of their listeners were far too young to even know who Slash was during Guns N Roses' hey day. To many, Slash is a current player who cranked out tunes with the very successful alternative band Velvet Revolver. The guy is still very current. Epiphone is right in using him.[/quote'] But he doesn't play one. That makes it pretty irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Did you ever gather up enough parts to make that yard sale Casino complete? Oh' date=' and unless you are singularly supporting him financially, he isn't [i']your[/i] luthier ...and the guy who sets up guitars at Guitar Center isn't a luthier...he's a guy who isn't making enough money with his band and has found a way to help with the rent... anyway lol but it's still fun to say things like "my luthier" and "my guitar tech" almost like being interviewed for Guitar Player or something lol This board is about Epiphones...and I know that also includes the cheap down-market Asian crap they've been selling for the past thirty five years but on the other hand it also includes the real high end Epiphones made during the Gibson tenure and the Stathopoulo era so no, thanx, but I'm fine right here. I'd love to see a photo of that Les Paul Custom...show me yours and I'll show you mine...and your geography point...total bullsh!t concocted to make owners of Asian guitars feel better..and it's no secret that Epiphones and all Asian guitars for that matter are made cheap and cheaply using the cheapest labor and materials..and we both know that but since you own all those Gibsons it's probably easier for you to deal with.. Nelson I sold that one. And he is my Luthier, and no he doesn't work at Guitar Center.... And I wont even answer to your ridiculous statement about GC employees[-x Until I see something that you've built that is better than what Epi produces, then your opinions are no better than anyone else's here. Well unless you really think when you wake up tomorrow that everyone will magically agree with what Nelson says...um hum... Bottom line, you are not the all knowing or the final word on guitars, no matter the brand. Nor do you come off as such, despite your high opinion of yourself. Have a Merry Christmas..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 But he doesn't play one. That makes it pretty irrelevant. But HE is relevant. More relevant than John, Paul, or George -- that's why they are using him. Whatever guitar Slash played, Slash can sell units a lot more than George Harrison can. It really has come down to that for Epiphone. And besides, you really think Epis are that linked to The Beatles? Ask any non-guitar geek what guitars The Beatles used and I bet Rickenbacker gets said about a thousand times before anyone says Epiphone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted December 23, 2008 Author Share Posted December 23, 2008 I wasn't being that serious either. But I do feel that Slash can sell more guitars nowadays than George' date=' Paul, or John. Sad but true. It seems many here are forgetting that Slash is not some relic from the hair band 80s days. Slash had some very recent hits with the band Velvet Revolver. That band was a lot more successful than you might realize. In fact I'd say a good portion of their listeners were far too young to even know who Slash was during Guns N Roses' hey day. To many, Slash is a current player who cranked out tunes with the very successful alternative band Velvet Revolver. The guy is still very current. Epiphone is right in using him.[/quote'] Well, it's their website, they can (and will) do whatever they want. I just don't feel the need to look at ANY "artist" for 3 months (lol), and same old video, blaring away. When Lennon, and McCartney's signature items were introduced, they were not on nearly as long. But, maybe that's because they didn't need to be? Whatever...No biggie, really. And...even "Current," depends on what you, I, or anyone else are listening to, with any regularity. Mozart is "Current" to a lot of folks. ;>) Merry Christmas to ALL...hope you have wonderful holdiay, with friends, family...and, get everything your wish for! PEACE..."All We Are Saying...." CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 And besides' date=' you really think Epis are that linked to The Beatles? Ask any non-guitar geek what guitars The Beatles used and I bet Rickenbacker gets said about a thousand times before anyone says Epiphone.[/quote'] I agree..... It was the reason why I purchased a Rick, and lord knows I disliked that guitar, especially the lacquer they used on the fretboard. ... which is the reason why I sold it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefferySmith Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 But HE is relevant. More relevant than John' date=' Paul, or George -- that's why they are using him. Whatever guitar Slash played, Slash can sell units a lot more than George Harrison can. It really has come down to that for Epiphone. And besides, you really think Epis are that linked to The Beatles? Ask any non-guitar geek what guitars The Beatles used and I bet Rickenbacker gets said about a thousand times before anyone says Epiphone.[/quote'] It is no worse than what Nike and Wheaties does all of the time. Tiger Woods endorses a ton of stuff that he probably never uses, and he makes millions a year doing so. And the price of a Slash guitar artificially high, just like Wheaties costs $3 a box for a cereal made with $.30 of wheat. I would like to see Epiphone make a guitar that is so good that a professional would use it because it is such a good guitar. Right now, the only top-notch guitar being produced is the Elitist Casino, and I say that with my fingers crossed. None of us know if it is still being produced in Japan, or if it is being produced in China. I cannot vouch for the latter. I'm not trying to diss Epiphone. The only Gibson I considered buying was a doublecut at a GC a few months ago. It only took one day for an idiot to give it a nice buckle rash, and I didn't buy it. But I have to admit that it didn't feel as good as an Elitist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 And besides' date=' you really think Epis are that linked to The Beatles? Ask any non-guitar geek what guitars The Beatles used and I bet Rickenbacker gets said about a thousand times before anyone says Epiphone.[/quote']A girl I know is quite possibly the biggest Beatle fan I've ever met, and she doesn't know a bleeding thing about their guitars. The only thing she knows is that Paul has a 1962 bass - but not what it's called. There are plenty of "big" artists using Epiphones, but most of them aren't big enough to matter. I watch Letterman every night, and half of the guitars I see are Epiphones - mostly Sheratons and Casinos. Most of them are supporting a solo artist, though. I can tell you that Sara Bareilles' guitar player is using a Revolution Casino, but I can't tell you his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyushPresley Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Most (not all) of the youngsters now don't listen to The Beatles or Elvis Presley or as a matter of fact most of those similar bands anymore. I remember one of my friend say they play like children and music sounds like it's made for children.He considers better guitarists as Slash, Page, Johnson and similar guitarists. ( he ain't wrong either, they play amazing). All what I wanted to say was they are targeting the newer generation who listen to GNR, Zeppelin and others, and most of the people fancy the Les Paul design, and slash played a Les Paul if not an Epi. I have never seen him play a casino, It's relevant to keep slash on their site and as this promotion is running (remember the gold top contest) i guess it'll end after decemer or yes after the contract ends. if Epiphone were endorsing a Casino then probably they might use some other relevant artists. So, even if slash doesn't play an Epiphone Les Paul he Plays a Gibson Les Paul and Gibson = Epiphone as we all know. Gib owns Epi so they can ofcourse use Slash to make a Slash Signature Les Paul as they already have a Slash Signature Gibson as we all know Epi Les pauls are a copy of Gib LPs so he doesn't have to play an Epi to advertise it..well that's what I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin134 Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Joe Perry uses a Epiphone in his latest release along with two gibsons. I think it might be a Vintage guitar, I'll let you guys debate that part. My local GC just for the record uses Third Coast Guitars for some of their Luthier services, based on the clientelle of Third Coast I'm guessing thats a good thing for GC customers. This should be a link to a video of Joe Perry's latest release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 For one last time...the Epiphones that John' date=' Paul (both Pauls), and Geroge played weren't remotely like or in any way related or connected to the product that Epiphone sells today...another thing...and this always makes me laugh...There is no "Epiphone" as anything more than a label Gibson uses to sell guitars they import...Epiphone isn't going to become independent or ever sell anything other than guitars Gibson specs out to a price point and some Asian factory then produces as cheaply as possible using the cheapest available materials and component parts they can find..then they slap the venerated Epiphone name on them and everyone magically believes these guitars have some connection to the past glories of the Epiphone company and the guitars become instantly elavated on the guitar food chain...uh huh...and be sure to put your tooth under your pillow tonight so the tooth fairy leaves you a dollar... Nelson[/quote'] slowly removes tooth from under pillow8-[ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaz Kellie Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 As my field is in advertising (Executive management), I can tell you that it's all about appeal. No offense to Beatles fans, but Slash catches the eye more readily to the largest buying audience: younger folks. It's hard reality and sometimes painful to take. But, lets face it most youth today could care less about the Beatles and what they played. hence, Epiphone has mass marketed to that "younger, buying group". And, to be honest, I can't blame them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 As my field is in advertising (Executive management)' date=' I can tell you that it's all about appeal. No offense to Beatles fans, but Slash catches the eye more readily to the largest buying audience: younger folks. It's hard reality and sometimes painful to take. But, lets face it most youth today could care less about the Beatles and what they played. hence, Epiphone has mass marketed to that "younger, buying group". And, to be honest, I can't blame them.[/quote'] Not so sure I agree with the above..... That guitar that Slash is proudly advertising is not cheap in price. ($1000)..... Hardly a price point that's aimed at the younger buying group. Selling guitars that cost over $800 requires a buying audience that have individual incomes of $30k a year or more. Sure some kids will press their parents to buy one, but that's few and far between. IMO (and this is self serving) Epi should come out with the George Harrison Casino model with the E vibrato tailpiece, (assembled in the USA just like the JL Rev). There are plenty of guys like me that would throw $2000 on the table for a guitar as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 That bothers me too... the description for the ES-330 spends as much time talking about The Beatles and Sgt. Pepper as it does about the actual features of the guitar.<...>Though then they probably wouldn't sell Beale St. Blue' date=' which would be bad. If I ever stumble upon $2500, I'm ordering one in blue.[/quote'] I'm particularly fond of the blue myself. If the economy was better, I'd get one and drop Duncan dog-ear humbuckers in it. Then I'd have the 1970 ES-330 with stock P90s, the Casino with Duncan P90s and the Blue 330 with 'buckers. But seriously. Although I am curious about who plays what guitar, I am only so I can evaluate the sound the guitar is capable of making, of course understanding that the player, FX and amp also contributes to that sound. I am not into hero worship, and I don't care if Jimi, Jimmy, Joe Pass, or Jesus played a particular guitar, that is not the reason why I want it. I want it if it looks good to me, sounds good to me, and feels comfortable in my hands. Unfortunately, I like the looks, sound, and feel of more guitars than I can afford to buy ;) Notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custer Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 I agree with you Notes_Norton. I play what feels right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicester35 Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 the Epiphones that John' date=' Paul (both Pauls), and George played [/quote'] From what I can gather, it seems like George played his Casino for all of a very few months anyway, before putting it aside. I guess if one wanted to envisage a true Harrison signature guitar from his time with the Beatles, you'd be looking at a Gretsch Country Gent or sonic blue Fender Strat (later garishly adorned)...maybe a Ric 12 string at a push... When I think of George Harrison with a Casino, I think of him wearing a silly hat in the Hello Goodbye video, and that's about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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