DJB08 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 So, I've seen two of these now...First on the forum here. Someone here has a sweet SG that is and says Epiphone but, has a Gibson "shaped" headstock. Why don't or can't they do this to all of them? It's kind of funny because the Gibson headstock to me is so classic in it's own respect but,the way that Epi does some of there's(even though they're inspired by Gibby models) they really have thier own character... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpiEric Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 The models with Gibson open book headstocks are Japanese market not for export models. I believe that, even though Gibson own both companies, the reason they use them there but not here is due to copyright laws. I think it would reduce Gibson's protection of the open book to a degree use it on Epis in the U.S. And of course they also don't want to cut into Gibson sales. Those guitars are, for the most part, equal to Gibson quality. They're like the U.S. Elitists, essentially, but with the Gibby headstock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricochet Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 So' date=' I've seen two of these now...First on the forum here. Someone here has a sweet SG that is and says Epiphone but, has a Gibson "shaped" headstock. Why don't or can't they do this to all of them? [/quote'] These are Epiphone Japan... Maybe the reason Asian(non-Japan) Epis don't have the open-book-headstock is to be able to make the distinction from their superior Japanese brother. The quality of an Epi Japan is more leaning towards Gibson, hence worthy of carrying the Gibson-style-headstock. My Epi Japan's headstock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB08 Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 so the quality is comparable to Gibson. How is the price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrmatt Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 And if I understand it right Gibson has put a halt to these in the Japanese market for now atleast. It's a shame if you get a chance and find one of these used in good condition I would highly recommend getting it. It's just my opinion but these are some of, if not the best guitars out there for what you pay for them. mgm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricochet Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 so the quality is comparable to Gibson. How is the price? Used prices since they're not made anymore... but I've seen these for anywhere between 750-1200 bucks depending on model and condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB08 Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 i would imagine that at some point in the future they will become QUITE valuable.(but, what do i know? i mean,really!) And especially valuable to the owner. I mean, there's just something so funky about it! i really dig it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 The models with Gibson open book headstocks are Japanese market not for export models. I believe that' date=' even though Gibson own both companies, the reason they use them there but not here is due to copyright laws. I think it would reduce Gibson's protection of the open book to a degree use it on Epis in the U.S. And of course they also don't want to cut into Gibson sales. Those guitars are, for the most part, equal to Gibson quality. They're like the U.S. Elitists, essentially, but with the Gibby headstock.[/quote']I have to disagree about the reason they don't use the headstock on America-bound models... Gibson puts their headstock on the $100 Maestro and Spirit instruments, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrmatt Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Used prices since they're not made anymore... but I've seen these for anywhere between 750-1200 bucks depending on model and condition. Ricochet is dead on for todays market for the Epi and Orville's now the ones with Orville by Gibson will fetch a little more but they were a bit more detailed some even had nitro finishes. Like anything though as fewer become available I'm sure that the prices will start to climb. mgm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockstar232007 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I have to disagree about the reason they don't use the headstock on America-bound models... Gibson puts their headstock on the $100 Maestro and Spirit instruments' date=' after all.[/quote']Yeah! But they're manufactured by Gibson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMcClane5000 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 GIBSON HEADSTOCKS ON ALL EPIS!!! THAT WOULD MAKE MY DAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Not for me. I like them on the SGs and the Les Pauls but I'm very fond of the Epi headstocks in general. I think the whole appeal of the distinction for me is that if I want a Gibson model (and I've had a few) I'll save up and buy one rather than hoping my Epi will turn into a Gibson. It's much more rewarding when you've saved up that extra money for a real Gibson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floydpink7 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 GIBSON HEADSTOCKS ON ALL EPIS!!! THAT WOULD MAKE MY DAY! Haha I wish they'd do that... but I really don't see it happening. The Epiphone headstock has become the identity of the brand just like the Gibson... If they did that, it would cloud the definition on why you'd even pay for a Gibson. Becides, the Epiphone logo on the "open book" style just looks... wierd to me. Like was said above, I'd rather one day have a Gibson. The Gibson only headstock would just make it that more special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acewarslave Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 all i can say guys if u havent played an orville guitar then you really should try one out,my joe perry model kicks butt..the quality is great for the price.mmm wish i could get these guitars at US prices though,there is one on ebay the same as mine for i think $599usd bargain i payed more for mine,ive been gasing for a japanese made gold top eppi for a while now as well=p~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 If Gibson would ask me (and I'm sure they never will) I would suggest Gibson shaped headstocks on LPs, SGs and Casinos. I'd leave the big headstock on the Sheri, and put the "bikini" headstock on all the smaller guitars that don't have the "6 in line" tuners. Actually, the bikini headstock wouldn't look bad on the LP, SG and Casino either. Notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrmatt Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 all i can say guys if u havent played an orville guitar then you really should try one out' date='my joe perry model kicks butt..the quality is great for the price.mmm wish i could get these guitars at US prices though,there is one on ebay the same as mine for i think $599usd bargain i payed more for mine,ive been gasing for a japanese made gold top eppi for a while now as well=p~ [/quote'] You are dead on, I think myself that they are the best thing out there for the $$$. I have an Orville 59 LP reissue that rivals it's Gibby counterpart IMHO . I too like the Gibson "Open Book" headstock on the solid bodys but I also really like the Epi headstock for the Casinos,Dots,Rivieras,etc..... mgm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 MIJ '61SG w/Nitro Finish, too. Last produced in Japan, for the Japanese market only, in 2006. And, any excuse to show photos of my MIJ '61.... ;>) LOL! CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 If Gibson would ask me (and I'm sure they never will) I would suggest Gibson shaped headstocks on LPs' date=' SGs and Casinos. I'd leave the big headstock on the Sheri, and put the "bikini" headstock on all the smaller guitars that don't have the "6 in line" tuners. Actually, the bikini headstock wouldn't look bad on the LP, SG and Casino either. Notes[/quote'] You couldn't do that to the Casino!! It's Iconic and its most famous player had the hourglass headstock. Now, a McCartney reissue with the old headstock, Bigsby and more "two tone" sunburst would have me signing up for a credit card! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpiSheriMan Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 CB loves showing off his SG! Doooooooahhh!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 CB loves showing off his SG! Doooooooahhh!!! [/quote'] Yup, LOL...she's my "Baby!" Jeff and others here, have one too. They're just not as "Shameless" as me! ;>) CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 No shame in that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Yeah! But they're manufactured by Gibson.Now, I don't have a Spirit or Maestro or whatever other names they're sold under, but I highly doubt they're manufactured by Gibson. I'd be very interested to see where they are made... How different is a Spirit Les Paul Junior to an Epiphone? The Epiphone costs a little bit more, but is it the name we're paying for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beatles Sound Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 My Japan Babys ... with Gibson Head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 MIJ '61SG w/Nitro Finish' date=' too. Last produced in Japan, for the Japanese market only, in 2006. <...> And, any excuse to show photos of my MIJ '61.... ;>) LOL! CB[/quote'] You don't need an excuse CB, you can post those whenever you like (excuse me while I clean the drool off of my computer keyboard). Notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpiEric Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I have to disagree about the reason they don't use the headstock on America-bound models... Gibson puts their headstock on the $100 Maestro and Spirit instruments' date=' after all.[/quote'] I'd say there's pretty much no chance of someone cross-shopping a Maestro to a U.S.A. Gibson. Copyright law is very convoluted and I know I've read in the past that not wishing to dilute the copyright was a reason. Wish I could find the original source, but I know I read it somewhere. Has something to do with Gibson protecting themselves from OTHER manufacturers importing open book guitars like Burnys, Tokai's, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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