Bunky Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Just found a killer deal on a Elitist Casino. However looking at the pics, there is no red Elitist stamp on the back of the headstock? Supposedly its a recent model a year or two old.... Did they stop putting stamps on them? Also, are there any dealers someone could reccomend for picking up an Elitist Casino for a good price? I live in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunningham26 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Elitist Casinos came in natural or VS, not cherry as far as i know. the truss cover will also say elitist on it http://www.epiphone.com/elitist/casino.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobouz Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 My '09 has the red Elitist decal, and I've seen photos of 2010s with it, too. The guitar in question is probably not the real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamBooka Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Just found a killer deal on a Elitist Casino. However looking at the pics, there is no red Elitist stamp on the back of the headstock? Supposedly its a recent model a year or two old.... Did they stop putting stamps on them? Also, are there any dealers someone could reccomend for picking up an Elitist Casino for a good price? I live in Canada. Did you try LAMusic.ca? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunky Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 Contacted LA Music today and they contacted yorkville who is canada's gibson distributor and they said they aren't making the casino elitist anymore. Did you try LAMusic.ca? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamBooka Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 That is wrong, IMO The Elitist Casino is the only Elitist still made........ http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=302&CollectionID=1 I suggest you go there in person and tell them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mud guy Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Also, are there any dealers someone could reccomend for picking up an Elitist Casino for a good price? I live in Canada. Hi fellow canuck. If there is a long and mcquade nearby, I would try there. They don't show everything they have online, and I always find them fair for price (I just ordered a set of new p-94 pickups from them for less than anywhere I could find online). If you're lucky and find someone knowledgeable, it may work. -Cal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunky Posted February 26, 2011 Author Share Posted February 26, 2011 I called Gibson today and they said they don't have them anymore. What gives? Does anyone have a contact at Epi for me that knows what's going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis G Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I called Gibson today and they said they don't have them anymore. What gives? Does anyone have a contact at Epi for me that knows what's going on? Not sure about Canada, but GC, MF and Sweetwater all show the Elitist Casino available (although MF is at the new price of $1799) so I'd think they're still being made. I ordered mine in May from Sweetwater & it arrived in September ('10) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunky Posted February 26, 2011 Author Share Posted February 26, 2011 Here it is fellows.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230590544653 This after I asked him about the missing stamp. He just replied saying something like it had the serial number and sticker inside that said elitist. Be wary. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eor Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 maybe it's a factory 2nd? the case is correct, and the label is correct, but the stick on serial on the label makes me wonder. maybe a neck repair removed the logo? or it got 2nd'ed early in life and never had that logo put back there? videography is pretty poor, but you'll note he didn't pan up to where the serial number would be on the back of the headstock. 2nds tend to be branded as such right there, with a stick on serial number, if memory serves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fringe Lunatic Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 AFAIK, genuine factory seconds have "2ND" stamped on the back of the headstock, and the serial number remains intact, as the warranty is still in effect. I have owned two of them. Perhaps Elitists are different, but why would they be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunningham26 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 oh sorry i misread the initial post about the "redness" of it. it's definitely not fake, but might be a 2nd. If you watch the video, he mentions that it's "used" a couple times, and conveniently doesnt show the top of the back of the headstock where a "USED" stamp would be to indicate a second. if you're in touch with the seller, get him to confirm it's not stamped "used" or send you photos of the back of the headstock. A fac 2nd would still pull probably $800 having not had the chance to play it. Epiphone 2nds are almost always due to cosmetic issues that don't affect playability, so their still of considerable value. That said, if you bought it for $1000 and it was stamped used, I doubt think you'd ever get your money back on it, unless these for some reason get crazy collectible some years down the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhead Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I'd want some really detailed photos of that unit! IF I were going to even consider buying. Also, that guy only has 9 ebay ratings, ALL OF THEM FROM BUYING! He has never sold anything on ebay! He's been an ebay member since Jul-25-04. Not meaning to put him down in any way, but watch out, or you might be buying one of those $350 China wholesale website fakes! My rule of thumb is that if they won't fork over some quality pics in a reasonable amount of time I look elsewhere. I've seen people try to do that, (and many HAVE done it), purchase one of those guitars for cheap and try to pass it off as the genuine article for a BIG profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 333 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 It's a refurb. Several things are give aways: the serial number sticker which is covering the original, typed serial number on the Elitist sound hole label (refurb serial numbers are always on stickers, and they follow a different numbering scheme). The other giveaway is the sunburst on the back of the neck, where the red Elitist decal should be. That guitar has had headstock repair, and the black paint covers the repair and the red Elitist label. Red 333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender 4 Life Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I'd want some really detailed photos of that unit! IF I were going to even consider buying. Also, that guy only has 9 ebay ratings, ALL OF THEM FROM BUYING! He has never sold anything on ebay! He's been an ebay member since Jul-25-04. Not meaning to put him down in any way, but watch out, or you might be buying one of those $350 China wholesale website fakes! My rule of thumb is that if they won't fork over some quality pics in a reasonable amount of time I look elsewhere. I've seen people try to do that, (and many HAVE done it), purchase one of those guitars for cheap and try to pass it off as the genuine article for a BIG profit. just providing pics doesn't mean diddly.......I could copy pics from any free photo host and post them anywhere I want.....as has been done to me more than once. the 1st time a fellow forumite notified me that someone was using my pic on a craigthlisp ad...... not 2 months later someone used one of mine on e-fray aussie.... jaded and, just sayin'........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunningham26 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 It's a refurb. Several things are give aways: the serial number sticker which is covering the original, typed serial number on the Elitist sound hole label (refurb serial numbers are always on stickers, and they follow a different numbering scheme). The other giveaway is the sunburst on the back of the neck, where the red Elitist decal should be. That guitar has had headstock repair, and the black paint covers the repair and the red Elitist label. Red 333 ahhh yea i thought that looked strange as well! great spot bender! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunky Posted February 26, 2011 Author Share Posted February 26, 2011 Called J Rosenberg today at epiphone and left a message about the seeming "discontinuation" l&M LA Music, Yorkville, and Epiphone helpline told me about. Hoping there is just some type of confusion. Maybe he'll give me a big discount coupon! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunky Posted February 27, 2011 Author Share Posted February 27, 2011 how much would you guy spay for a refurb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBlues Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 AFAIK, genuine factory seconds have "2ND" stamped on the back of the headstock, and the serial number remains intact, as the warranty is still in effect. I have owned two of them. Perhaps Elitists are different, but why would they be? Not necessarily true.. I once owned an elitist dot that had a serial number on the back of the headstock that was on a piece of paper glued to the guitar... And the serial number inside the guitar was scratched out with white-out... No sh!t... thats a true story... Oh and btw, I just bought a used epi elitist casino for $930 (not a 2nd)... so 1100 really isn't that great of a deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBlues Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 It appears to me that someone took that sticker that was on the back of the headstock.... (just like the one I had on my elitist dot) .... and placed this sticker inside the guitar... This is definitely a 2nd (or refurb whatever the difference is)... But I am not so sure it has had a headstock repair... that I don't believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrmatt Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I noticed this Casino yesterday scanning the local Craigslist. Here in the Nashville area we tend to see some odd things due to the Gibson/Epi headquarters being located here. I know when the run of JL Historic Casinos came to an end the "spare" bodies were sold here locally and some popped up on CL & ebay dressed out in different hardware. I agree with what others have stated the sn# looks to be that of a used or 2nd model that has been moved. If it was me I would pay a couple of hundred bucks extra and get one with no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eor Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 frankly, i'd still go for it if i was in the market. i actually prefer to have a 2nd and pocket the difference. assuming all is well with the guitar and the dude is legit, i wouldn't mind it at all. not for $1000, though. might offer maybe $700ish or so and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 333 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 It appears to me that someone took that sticker that was on the back of the headstock.... (just like the one I had on my elitist dot) .... and placed this sticker inside the guitar... This is definitely a 2nd (or refurb whatever the difference is)... But I am not so sure it has had a headstock repair... that I don't believe... . An Elitist Casino has no paint on the back of the neck. When a headstock repair is made, standard operating procedure is to paint over the break and the splines used to repair it. That also explains why the red seal is not present--it's been painted over. You can take that to the bank. There is no doubt that the guitar in question was repaired at a refurbishing center. It was assigned a new serial number there, and that was placed on a sticker that covers the original, which was typed on the sound hole label. The owner did not move the sticker--refurb centers always cover the original serial number with a sticker. (For those that don't have hollow body guitars, it's helpful to know that they have serial numbers in two places. On the Elitist, it would be embossed, not printed, on the back of the headstock. The original serial number would also be printed on the sound hole label.) That guitar was not one of those made from the left over Lennon 1965 Casinos, as those had no Elitist sound hole label, have a different color stained back, different hardware (tuners and tail piece), and are finished in nitro, not poly. The guitar in the picture has a poly finish. Red 333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchie1281734003 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 It's a refurb. Several things are give aways: the serial number sticker which is covering the original, typed serial number on the Elitist sound hole label (refurb serial numbers are always on stickers, and they follow a different numbering scheme). The other giveaway is the sunburst on the back of the neck, where the red Elitist decal should be. That guitar has had headstock repair, and the black paint covers the repair and the red Elitist label. Red 333 +1 on this Red. Another thing I`ve noticed, is the trapeze tailpiece on this guitar is not the original Elitist type, but the one with the larger nuts that you find on the Chinese Casino`s. So maybe a Bigsby has been fitted at some point. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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