blueslespaultone Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Its extremely hard to notice, but it's apparent in light. Visual inspection looks like wood grain , Anyway here are the pictures I contacted sweet water by email, for an exchange If goldtop isn't available, ice tea, HEritage cherryburst? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewaz Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 That looks to be more than a crack. Looks like that piece broke off, and was glued back on, and may extend into the set neck tenon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueslespaultone Posted November 8, 2012 Author Share Posted November 8, 2012 I agree, Damn, and I really loved this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L5Larry Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Wow, even I see that. Â I doubt this would ever be an issue with the structural integrity of this guitar, but...... Â This is completely unacceptable in a "new" guitar, and contrary to what I recently wrote in another thread..... this WAS Gibson's fault to let this get through QC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L5Larry Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 and may extend into the set neck tenon. Â And just exactly how did you come to this determination from a surface photo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosbig Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 And just exactly how did you come to this determination from a surface photo? Â Â yeh i agree,mountain out of a molehill!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosbig Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Its extremely hard to notice, but it's apparent in light. Visual inspection looks like wood grain , Anyway here are the pictures I contacted sweet water by email, for an exchange If goldtop isn't available, ice tea, HEritage cherryburst? Â Â Ignore and play,that wont go anywhere!!! Â This is the same as `oh no,its had a headstock repair` So what? Â A properly repaired guitar wherever it is will not effect playing or tone and is sometimes stronger than when it was first made? Â Taylor guitars guitars realised this and thats why there guitars headstocks and necks are spliced!! Â If that was my guitar I would keep it, no prob!! Â Just my opinion? Â Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 if it's causing you angst, exchange it. Â but I sort of agree that it probably will never be a problem, looks like it was repaired properly, but gotta wonder why QC would have let that one pass.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueslespaultone Posted November 8, 2012 Author Share Posted November 8, 2012 I'm sure it'll never be a problem, it's in an area where it's a corner of the heel and is structurally sound. But if the time arose where I needed to sell this guitar, The buyer would not pay fair price. But, this is unacceptable to me anyway, and I'm sure sweet water will make right. I sent them an email, the wheels will be in motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueslespaultone Posted November 8, 2012 Author Share Posted November 8, 2012 Wow, even I see that. Â I doubt this would ever be an issue with the structural integrity of this guitar, but...... Â This is completely unacceptable in a "new" guitar, and contrary to what I recently wrote in another thread..... this WAS Gibson's fault to let this get through QC! Funny thing, I couldn't see anything visually, found it accidentally in a picture I took with a flash . So I shined a light and there it was clear as day. If this were a dark back, this would be a non issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 . I doubt it was repaired by Gibson. No telling when it happened - factory, shipping, or retailer. I wouldn't be comfortable with a crack in that area - if it has been repaired okay. Â . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I seriously doubt it was repaired at Gibson. It would increase labor time (cost) too much. They would rather throw the neck away. From what I see, (really hard to judge from these pictures) it might not even a crack, just a finishing imperfection(?). Of course, if it bothers You, bring it back. Cheers... Bence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 There is no money in gluing chunks of wood back to where they broke off and trying to sell it, there just isn't. I'm not waving my Freak Gibson Fanboy Flag here, I'm just sayin that it just won't work, and anyone working on that guitar knows the same. Â Since it is only visible with the light just right, I sincerely doubt it's an actual wood crack and is more a characteristic of the paint and the grain in that area. Â And since it's probably finish, they won't warrantee it, not in any way. Â But you could try to exchange it, them guys are usually pretty good about these things. Â Good luck with it. Â rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Whatever it is I agree with those who say it's not going to "go" anywhere and if, as you say, you really love the guitar in all other respects then I'd say you'd be foolish not to keep it. Â Even if it ever comes time to sell the prospective buyer is buying a second-hand instrument and shouldn't expect 100% perfection in any case. It's not like it's a structural weakness which really should be pointed out. Â But if it bothers you that much... Â P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueslespaultone Posted November 8, 2012 Author Share Posted November 8, 2012 I'll call it an imperfection for now, It definitely is under the finish, which brings to to the point that it's not a post finish crack. I guess it could be an imperfection on the quarter sawn wood. But when an imperfection is apparent, it would change the course of the grain, wouldn't it? Nitro checking is a big possibility from its travels from a cold climate, humid during the hurricane to a warm dry climate. In room light it looks like an imperfection, when light is directly shining, you can see delineated lines following from lateral aspect of the base of the heel curving over to the posterior aspect of the base of the heel. Â Well see what they say and is done, I'll keep you guys posted . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 If your experience with Sweetwater will end up being like just about everyone else who goes thru them, they are just going to exchange that for you, and will not ask any questions. Â Let us know the end of the story! Â /KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyGibson Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Even my poor eyes can see that. Â It's your money. If you're not satisfied with it, then send it back. Some flaws we live with. Some we shouldn't have too. This is one I would not want to live with, especially given the price tag on these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueslespaultone Posted November 8, 2012 Author Share Posted November 8, 2012 just got off the phone with them. the guy i deal with is gonna take a look at a few that i requested, and send me the best one, an iced tea, and gold top, weighing from 9-10 lbs, theyre gonna check for flaws. i trust him, hes helped me out alot before. yeah for sure this guitar is going back to their service center, and poss back to gibson i assume. ill keep you posted. Â i may go for the iced tea though i he says theyre both great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 just got off the phone with them. the guy i deal with is gonna take a look at a few that i requested, and send me the best one, an iced tea, and gold top, weighing from 9-10 lbs, theyre gonna check for flaws. i trust him, hes helped me out alot before. yeah for sure this guitar is going back to their service center, and poss back to gibson i assume. ill keep you posted. Â i may go for the iced tea though i he says theyre both great. Â ya man, good deal.. Sweetwater is among the best of the best. Been very pleased with them when I've bought stuff there. Â btw.. you should be able to see multiple HD photos of any guitar they have in stock @the website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueslespaultone Posted November 8, 2012 Author Share Posted November 8, 2012 Yeah dude, I like their Customer service. I saw a whole bunch of photos and chose 2 or 3 guitars for them to look at. I think im leaning towards the iced tea though, very pretty and 10 lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanH Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I'm sure it'll never be a problem, it's in an area where it's a corner of the heel and is structurally sound. But if the time arose where I needed to sell this guitar, The buyer would not pay fair price. But, this is unacceptable to me anyway, and I'm sure sweet water will make right. I sent them an email, the wheels will be in motion. Â This is exactly why you made the right decision to return it. Whether it's sound or not, the value is lower. Even if you sold it "as seen" and the buyer didn't notice the problem it would always play on your mind that you potentially ripped somebody off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwich Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I took delivery on Monday of a Traditional Gold Top from Sweetwater. Picked it out of four that they usually show in the gallery. It has a darker finish on the back and neck than usually allowing the wood grain to really pop, and man is it beautiful. I emailed my sales engineer today and told him how much I liked it, a first for me. He also matched the Sam Ash price, so it was a win win, no matter what happens with the 2013 models. I've got a Memphis 339, and a 2011 Nashville 335. I've heard some stories of poor production, but all of mine are pretty much perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueslespaultone Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 Yeah the goldtop is stunning. Congrats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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