rct Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I have unbounded respect for those who have added their thoughts to this thread. That holds true for other members and their contributions as well. As SBP observed, being blunt doesn't mean being rude. It can, of course, but that's far from the case in the present circumstances. What I read in this thread is a group of concerned individuals trying to lend support and becoming frustrated by the OP's inability or unwillingness to consider what is being or has been said. Put a different way, I believe most of us would have walked away from this pity party a ways back if our motivation was to be rude. As it stands, we're all trying our best to lend support and find a way to make clear a point that the OP manages to miss no matter how it's presented. Asking a question that one doesn't want to hear the answer to. The bane of the internet. rct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 And, bless us all, we keep on tryin'😩 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin 1940D28 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Boy, are you lucky. I have two '90's Gibson flat tops, I bought brand new, a '96 J 45 and a '97 Custom AJ with early Jumbo body dimensions with not a drop of glue out of place. They sound great, but not as great as my '42 SJ, my '44 J 45 and my '49 SJ with glue seemingly seeping out of every internal joint that is visible thru the sound hole. The older you get, hopefully, the more you'll realize what I'm trying to say. Have fun with the scraper or razor blade. Neither will improve the guitar,unless if'n all you are content with is the visual aspect of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbpark Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Asking a question that one doesn't want to hear the answer to. The bane of the internet. rct +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvi Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 things seem to get personal here pretty often ,if you dont have somethin nice to say....AND i dont think quotes are supposed to be ammo just sayin j Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 things seem to get personal here pretty often ,if you dont have somethin nice to say....AND i dont think quotes are supposed to be ammo just sayin j Other than a mass exodus from this thread, I can offer only one final positively-intended thought on this matter: since return and warranty are not viable alternatives, since accepting the guitar as it is does not appear to be a viable alternative, since selling it to someone else and moving on - losses counted and lesson learned - a suggestion I made in the form of a riduculous joke offer earlier in this thread - hasn't met with any notice from the OP, how about a complete refin and glue dribble eradication performed by a luthier of the OP's own choosing? Failing that, I have a few TRULY negative ideas I would prefer not to contribute and likely won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Pete Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 I understand how you feel. I wouldn't like to see that either. I have just bought 4 new guitars this fall. One is a Martin D-42, not one issue with it whatsoever. The others are Gibsons that had some problems that either I fixed or I returned for another guitar. None of them had any glue squeeze out at all. They mostly had finish problems. I love keeping my guitars, all 16 or 17 of them in top notch condition. I have a small guitar repair shop and can conveniently do most of my own repairs. I would try to find a guitar tech and see if he can help you. I would be glad to take on your work but obviously we are on separate continents. I find it refreshing to hear about someone's passion for their guitars. Too often I am brought some very beat up guitars that have been abused and I am supposed to work some magic for the least amount of money. I think guitars are both a work of art and a practical tool, so I treat them that way. BTW, what is the gray squarish patch I see in the lower left part of the front of the guitar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 BTW, what is the gray squarish patch I see in the lower left part of the front of the guitar? I would say that's a reflection. Given the OP's concern over a couple of drops of squeezed-out glue, it's hard to imagine it would be anything significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissouriPicker Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I'll never again look at a spot of glue without remembering this thread....Just kidding........I sincerely don't know if any of my Gibsons have a spot or smear of glue somewhere inside of them. Maybe someday I'll do an inspection. Nothing that I've noticed on the outside either (doesn't mean something isn't there, but I just don't notice it). I like the hell out of my guitars and I play them a lot. There's usually smudges and fingerprints, maybe a drop or two of coffee, and cinnamon roll icing somewhere on them, so chances are a speck of glue would be mistaken for something else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbpark Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Those glue drops aren't an afterthought. They are there for a reason. Just like a luthier tap-tests tops when they are picking out wood for guitars, they later add the glue drops after the guitar has been assembled to fine-tune the guitar. It brings out and enhances those desirable resonant frequencies, or tames undesirable ones. So be aware, if you remove those glue drops (I call them tone blobs) your guitar will probably end up sounding worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Those glue drops aren't an afterthought. They are there for a reason. Just like a luthier tap-tests tops when they are picking out wood for guitars, they later add the glue drops after the guitar has been assembled to fine-tune the guitar. It brings out and enhances those desirable resonant frequencies, or tames undesirable ones. So be aware, if you remove those glue drops (I call them tone blobs) your guitar will probably end up sounding worse. I see the wisdom. It's not unlike removing a 'vintage tone ball' from the instrument. Sure to affect a change and not always for the better. I believe in treating my tone balls well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvi Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I bet you do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I bet you do... Elderly even has a collection from various acoustics de-balled by their repair dept.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-1854Me Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I could care less if there were glue squeeze-drops in my guitar. At least they used glue! :-) I figure that is Waterloo/Collings can do that, maybe Gibson can too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobouz Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 For some real fun, the OP should use an inspection mirror to take a peak at the top bracing & also check out Gibson's legendary workmanship around the bridgeplate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Pete Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 For some real fun, the OP should use an inspection mirror to take a peak at the top bracing & also check out Gibson's legendary workmanship around the bridgeplate! I have already done that on my new Gibsons, looks pretty good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 For some real fun, the OP should use an inspection mirror to take a peak at the top bracing & also check out Gibson's legendary workmanship around the bridgeplate! Mirror! Ah, hell, I've been trying to get my head inside the soundhole😦 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Mirror! Ah, hell, I've been trying to get my head inside the soundhole😦 There's people here who have managed to get their head into smaller hole than that ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 There's people here who have managed to get their head into smaller hole than that ! 😒😮😄😂😅😋 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbpark Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 To get a good look at the underside of the top just pop your smart phone in there and take a pic. No mirror necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 To get a good look at the underside of the top just pop your smart phone in there and take a pic. No mirror necessary. Mirrors and smartphones. Today's my day in school for sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricky50 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I have the same Gibson L-00 Koa as the OP. It looks fantastic from a distance but when you get up close and particularly look inside, the attention to detail finish is not a patch on my Martin which is impeccably finished. There is glue visible at the neck to body heel joint and at the fretboard above the soundboard. The scalloped bracing is not sanded well and is roughly finished. The kerfed lining is not finished well at all. Basically the internal work looks a bit amateurish. This is a 3000 dollar guitar for **** sake. My Martin cost about the same and internally is perfect. Clean, clean clean. Nothing looks even slightly rough edged and everything fits perfectly. Every joint is beautifully finished. But here's what matters. The Martin sounds pretty good but is a bit boring. Does the job really well but no more. The Gibson sounds spectacular - I've never played another acoustic like it and I've tried loads in the past. It's a totally amazing guitar and an absolute keeper. 99% of the time I'm not aware of the botched internal work and the 1% I think about it is wiped out by the amazing sounds that come from this thing. But Mr Gibson - you need to sort your people out - it doesn't cost a great deal more to do things as well as they should be done and one day this carelessness is going to come back and bite you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buc McMaster Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 :blink: You joined the forum just to tell us this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbpark Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Yep, you definitely "ned help". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drathbun Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I found a flaw... do I get a reward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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