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Dave's Guitar Shop No Longer a Gibson Acoustic Dealer?

#41 User is offline   fortyearspickn 

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 06:22 AM

View Postsbpark, on 13 March 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

Not true at all, or at least you're making a giant generalization. I drove well over an hour for two different shops, one a 5 star dealer, and one just a regular old Gibson dealer, and each were an hour away in the opposite direction of each other! One shop didnt have any J45's when I got there (even though they told me over the phone they did), and the 5 star dealer had a nice selection, but nothing that did it for me, and they wouldn't budge more than 10% off, which would have been fine by me to pay a little more with them given I found a guitar there I loved the sound of. Would have rather paid more to get the right guitar, than to roll the dice for a few more dollars off and not have played the guitar. In the long run I wouldn't have cared that I saved another 5-10% if the guitar was a keeper. Heck, I drove 4 hours to a mom and pop shop last year to buy my Advanced Jumbo.


Actually, in my comment just before yours I specifically noted "I'm making the general observation..." .
So, you're "the Exception to the Rule"....
This thread sort of reminds me of "Global Warming". Does the blizzard the NorthEast is experiencing today make that 'not true at all' ?
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 07:45 AM

View PostAllie, on 14 March 2017 - 04:22 AM, said:

True that...or a SJ250 Monarch and a couple of 42 J45 legend reproductions [smile]


Well look at it this way… got my 1974 J-50 new and I think it cost $325, so that would be about 1% of the cost of my 1982 house. Paid $300,000 for my current home and 1% of that would buy a $3000 GIbson. Seems about right. ;)
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 08:06 AM

View Postfortyearspickn, on 14 March 2017 - 06:22 AM, said:

Actually, in my comment just before yours I specifically noted "I'm making the general observation..." .
So, you're "the Exception to the Rule"....
This thread sort of reminds me of "Global Warming". Does the blizzard the NorthEast is experiencing today make that 'not true at all' ?


It's all about whatever you want to believe I guess!
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 08:07 AM

I used most of the money from a summer job in high school to buy my first good guitar - a Gibson Classical - for $110 back in the mid-60s. Minimum Wage was $1.25. So approximately 100 hours of work to get a low end Gibson. Today, the Federal Minimum Wage is $7.25. If you work 100 hours you'd have $725. Half of what the least expensive Gibsons are going for today. So, Gibson is not trying to take that market niche away from Martin (who sells tons of guitars in that price range). If they were to try to do that - they'd have to put the Gibson name on guitars made in Mexico.
FWIW - I bought my first new car in 2000 for $12,500. The same vehicle today would be DOUBLE that. So, different goods and services increase in price at different rates. Housing market included. WWII vets could buy homes under $1,000. Sears sold them in big crates, and you and your neighbors pitched in to build each other's home. Whole neighborhoods were built that way. Until a guy named Levitt invented the sub-division called Levitown in NY which provided affordable housing which didn't require a 'do it yourself' ability and friends.
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 08:18 AM

Any way you want to look at it, it's a pain-in-the-a$$😒
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 08:44 AM

Well if the point is that Gibson acoustics are too expensive, I agree. And that is why I haven't bought a new one since 1974. :)
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 09:35 AM

View PostBoyd, on 14 March 2017 - 07:45 AM, said:

Well look at it this way… got my 1974 J-50 new and I think it cost $325, so that would be about 1% of the cost of my 1982 house. Paid $300,000 for my current home and 1% of that would buy a $3000 GIbson. Seems about right. ;)
Lol....so we agree, at least on what I originally posted...that Gibsons and Martins are getting to be priced up around what some of us paid for our first home. I think this whole thing got a little cloudy....... quick. Have a great day.

...and I'm not a hater of either, I own 3 Gibson's and a Martin.
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 10:13 AM

View PostAllie, on 14 March 2017 - 09:35 AM, said:

Lol....so we agree, at least on what I originally posted...that Gibsons and Martins are getting to be priced up around what some of us paid for our first home. I think this whole thing got a little cloudy


No I don't agree with what you originally posted. My point was that my 1974 Gibson cost 1% of the price of my first home, and that a new Gibson costs about 1% of the price of my current home.

What we may agree on is that Gibsons are too expensive. But suggesting that they cost as much as people paid for their first homes seems ridiculous to me.
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 10:30 AM

View PostBoyd, on 14 March 2017 - 10:13 AM, said:

No I don't agree with what you originally posted. My point was that my 1974 Gibson cost 1% of the price of my first home, and that a new Gibson costs about 1% of the price of my current home.

What we may agree on is that Gibsons are too expensive. But suggesting that they cost as much as people paid for their first homes seems ridiculous to me.
Sadly enough these iconic guitar companies like Gibson and Martin, as nice as their instruments are, are now priced so far out of line with many,many of the other guitar builders that they find themselves vying for a public that has lost the desire to spend more than we are comfortably able to do to own one of their higher end products. When their Guitars are in the same price range now than what many of us paid for our first home it becomes more appealing to venture out into guitar land and see what is more 'within a reasonable price range' yet still gets the job done. That's not to say their guitars aren't worth every penny they ask for them...but more to say many of us don't have the coin to invest for them. Not all of us are collectors, but rather we just want to play music. jmho.
I didn't say what everyone here paid for their first house.

We agree to disagree....I can only spell it out, I can't understand it for you. I'm done with it.
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 10:40 AM

View PostAllie, on 14 March 2017 - 10:30 AM, said:

I can only spell it out, I can't understand it for you.


Well you're right about that, I don't understand it even though you have "tripled down" on your original statement. "...their Guitars are in the same price range now than what many of us paid for our first home"

Assuming that "us" means members of this forum and not our grandfathers… how many of us bought a house "in the same price range" as a new Gibson?
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 12:20 PM

View PostBoyd, on 14 March 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

Well you're right about that, I don't understand it even though you have "tripled down" on your original statement. "...their Guitars are in the same price range now than what many of us paid for our first home"

Assuming that "us" means members of this forum and not our grandfathers… how many of us bought a house "in the same price range" as a new Gibson?
You get the last word, I don't come here to argue.
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 12:25 PM

I also want to apologize to Maplesofwrath,,,I certainly didn't comment on your post to hijack it. It kinda went south along the way somewhere. ](*,)
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 02:46 PM

View Postrct, on 13 March 2017 - 06:05 PM, said:

Roight. You blokes do math as badly as you cook.

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Which is why we've won more Fields Medals per capita than you have. :-"
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 02:47 PM

View PostOldCowboy, on 13 March 2017 - 06:51 PM, said:

No we didn't😢


I didn't say you voted for him...
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 03:08 PM

View PostBoyd, on 14 March 2017 - 07:45 AM, said:

Well look at it this way… got my 1974 J-50 new and I think it cost $325, so that would be about 1% of the cost of my 1982 house. Paid $300,000 for my current home and 1% of that would buy a $3000 GIbson. Seems about right. ;)


Except that you're comparing guitar prices and house prices 8 years apart in the first case. So it may well even be that your first guitar cost more than 1% of the same house in 1974. But it may also be that your 1982 house cost a lot less in relation to pay than the inflation-adjusted equivalent of $300,000. I do think that Forty's assessment of purchasing power is also relevant here. According to the ever-reliable Wikipedia, purchasing power of the minimum wage in the US was at its highest in 1968.Your minimum wage currently stands at $7.25. After adjustment for inflation, to achieve 1968 levels of purchasing power today, you would need a minimum wage of $10.88.
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 03:16 PM

View PostMojorule, on 14 March 2017 - 03:08 PM, said:

Except that you're comparing guitar prices and house prices 8 years apart in the first case. So it may well even be that your first guitar cost more than 1% of the same house in 1974. But it may also be that your 1982 house cost a lot less in relation to pay than the inflation-adjusted equivalent of $300,000. I do think that Forty's assessment of purchasing power is also relevant here. According to the ever-reliable Wikipedia, purchasing power of the minimum wage in the US was at its highest in 1968.Your minimum wage currently stands at $7.25. After adjustment for inflation, to achieve 1968 levels of purchasing power today, you would need a minimum wage of $10.88.


oh holy crap my effing head.

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 03:17 PM

View PostMojorule, on 14 March 2017 - 02:46 PM, said:

Which is why we've won more Fields Medals per capita than you have. :-"


And yer right across from all the good wine to go with it! [thumbup] [thumbup] [thumbup]

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 03:28 PM

View PostBoyd, on 14 March 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

Well you're right about that, I don't understand it even though you have "tripled down" on your original statement. "...their Guitars are in the same price range now than what many of us paid for our first home"

Assuming that "us" means members of this forum and not our grandfathers… how many of us bought a house "in the same price range" as a new Gibson?



Allie did not claim that guitars now cost the same equivalent, inflation-adjusted price as houses then. Just that the price of higher mid-range Gibson guitars now is similar in simple numerical terms to the price of houses in living memory. If you prefer, that 1% of a house now has the same numerical value in dollars as a whole house then. With the wistful reflection that for people who paid $x for a house then, $x seems very expensive for a guitar now. This is not a scientific claim, but it is grounded in empirical fact.

It is not only our grandfathers' generation who were able to buy a house for a few thousand dollars or pounds. I've cited the case of my father. He is younger than a number of regular posters on this forum who demonstrate regularly that they can still play guitar. His first house cost in pounds then what a Gibson SJ200 Vintage costs now.

The UK is not the US (yet), but our markets tend to shadow yours. So if a house could be bought for £3000 in the early 1970s in parts of the UK, I find it quite believable that a house could be bought in parts of the US for a similar number of dollars. And while Ron's comment about getting out to nicer areas is funny, we live in a beautiful bit of the UK. The house prices are lower than in London is all. Perhaps you just live in a more expensive part of the US than Allie.
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 03:31 PM

View Postrct, on 14 March 2017 - 03:16 PM, said:

oh holy crap my effing head.

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Do keep up!

View Postrct, on 14 March 2017 - 03:17 PM, said:

And yer right across from all the good wine to go with it! [thumbup] [thumbup] [thumbup]

rct


Yeah - but then the country which actually has the wine has got an even better record on the Fields. :-$
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 04:01 PM

This whole thing is ridiculous. I just don't believe that "many of us" paid $3000 for our first house, even if such houses were in fact available.

But I do think that Gibson guitars are too expensive, so at least we can agree on that. :)
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