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Gibson Epiphone SG 'Neck Dive" Poll

Poll: Gibson Epiphone SG 'Neck Dive" Poll (27 member(s) have cast votes)

Does your SG's neck dive when using a vinyl guitar strap?

  1. Yes (12 votes [44.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 44.44%

  2. No (10 votes [37.04%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 37.04%

  3. I don't care I love my SG (5 votes [18.52%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.52%

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#1 User is offline   EpiSheriMan 

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 11:37 AM

After recently buying a new 2018 Gibson SG Junior (Which I'm really loving) I'm intrigued by the issue of balance on the SG.

I'd love to hear your thoughts and answers on this controversial issue....

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 12:54 PM

I don't use vinyl straps, ever... I dare say I despise them..
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Posted 30 January 2018 - 01:23 PM

Happens from time to time. Mine doesnt have the issue, anyway though I use a wide leather strap with strap locks. Nevertheless on that SG model I seen the weights on them, some are around 5-1/2 lbs so perhaps a wide leather strap will work which I would try first anyway. To add to the issue it doesnt have Grovers which add about 7-8 ounces nor a very large control cavity to add weight.
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Posted 30 January 2018 - 03:01 PM

Got rid of my SG400 because of it. As soon as I let go of the neck it tried to tie my shoe laces. Didn't matter what strap I had on it either.
I contemplated putting an acoustic strap onto the headstock but I figured I already look dorky enough so I traded it (and another acoustic)
for a Gibson Flying V. Problem solved!
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#5 User is offline   Golden 

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 03:18 PM

Return it for another and tell them why you dont like it. In fact they should send you a free hat or something for the hassle. But...

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(Which I'm really loving)

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 03:59 PM

 kidblast, on 30 January 2018 - 12:54 PM, said:

I don't use vinyl straps, ever... I dare say I despise them..

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 04:03 PM

 MartyF, on 30 January 2018 - 03:01 PM, said:

Got rid of my SG400 because of it. As soon as I let go of the neck it tried to tie my shoe laces. Didn't matter what strap I had on it either.
I contemplated putting an acoustic strap onto the headstock but I figured I already look dorky enough so I traded it (and another acoustic)
for a Gibson Flying V. Problem solved!


That is the most preposterous reason I have ever heard of getting rid of a guitar cause when you tie your shoe laces with your guitar on it did a neck dive. How many times a day playing your guitar do your shoes come untied? They make these things called guitar stands.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 06:10 PM

 kidblast, on 30 January 2018 - 12:54 PM, said:

I don't use vinyl straps, ever... I dare say I despise them..

Ditto. Leather straps only for my guitars.
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Posted 30 January 2018 - 09:12 PM

I use only leather straps, and usually the rougher suede leather bottom layer.
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Posted 31 January 2018 - 07:16 AM

Thanks everyone for your thoughts and comments on this.

I'm going to make a sweeping statement and say that I think that around 90% of all SG's suffer from neck dive.

Yes there are ways of dealing with it like wide straps with suede backing but I'd be willing to bet that around 90% would drop with a simple vinyl strap. No an issue for most people but such a pity IMO as it could maybe be addressed by Gibson with design and could wood selection on the SG.

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 07:19 AM

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I think it's that Curly cord and tremolo that's helping Frank's SG stay balanced here... [smile]
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Posted 31 January 2018 - 08:30 AM

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I'm going to make a sweeping statement and say that I think that around 90% of all SG's suffer from neck dive.



LOL, based on what, the poll you took? You would have to assume which it may exist but I haven't seen the evidence, that 90% of the necks on an SG weigh more than the body on the same 90%? It may be an interesting point do you know? Well, then think about those who seek light weight SGs as part of their desired guitar of good wood? So for sure theres a weight balance tipping point and so....the weight you buy should then be considered? I'm just saying this may be part of the equation I dont know but many prefer light weight mahogany.


Anyway since you fell in love now with regrets, what you could do is have made a metal/steel/aluminum pg and change the plastic knobs to brass add a weighted strap button on the bottom. That might have the neck hitting the door frames when you let go though.

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 09:08 AM

Got 3 SGs (2 Epiphones and a Gibson), none of them have neck dive. Guess I got lucky to be in the 10% 3 times, damn, should a bought I lottery ticket instead of that last SG.

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 10:05 AM

 EpiSheriMan, on 31 January 2018 - 07:16 AM, said:

Thanks everyone for your thoughts and comments on this.

I'm going to make a sweeping statement and say that I think that around 90% of all SG's suffer from neck dive.

Yes there are ways of dealing with it like wide straps with suede backing but I'd be willing to bet that around 90% would drop with a simple vinyl strap. No an issue for most people but such a pity IMO as it could maybe be addressed by Gibson with design and could wood selection on the SG.

[sad]


My G400 has some neck dive, but it's never really been much of a problem for me. I just use a regular strap.
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Posted 31 January 2018 - 11:28 AM

 Johnny 6 String, on 31 January 2018 - 09:08 AM, said:

Got 3 SGs (2 Epiphones and a Gibson), none of them have neck dive. Guess I got lucky to be in the 10% 3 times, damn, should a bought I lottery ticket instead of that last SG.

Johnny


What strap do you use Johnny?
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Posted 31 January 2018 - 11:31 AM

 EpiSheriMan, on 31 January 2018 - 11:28 AM, said:

What strap do you use Johnny?



Currently they have those seatbelty type.
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Posted 31 January 2018 - 11:44 AM

 Golden, on 31 January 2018 - 08:30 AM, said:

LOL, based on what, the poll you took? You would have to assume which it may exist but I haven't seen the evidence, that 90% of the necks on an SG weigh more than the body on the same 90%? It may be an interesting point do you know? Well, then think about those who seek light weight SGs as part of their desired guitar of good wood? So for sure theres a weight balance tipping point and so....the weight you buy should then be considered? I'm just saying this may be part of the equation I dont know but many prefer light weight mahogany.


Anyway since you fell in love now with regrets, what you could do is have made a metal/steel/aluminum pg and change the plastic knobs to brass add a weighted strap button on the bottom. That might have the neck hitting the door frames when you let go though.


Well I did say it was a 'sweeping statement', no? I thought it would get a rise out of a few peeps... [biggrin]

I was hoping to get more data from the poll but that didn't happen to prove my 'sweeping statement'. I am basing my opinion on reading all the various gutar forums on the issue and the fact that most players who say that they don't have the issue mostly use a wide leather straps and therefore don't feel neck dive. Yes we all know that all guitar woods are different and there are tuners and whammy barfactors that add weight to various parts of an SG but fundamentally the SG model is an unbalanced guitar design created by Gibson back in 1961. The thin lightwight body, heavy neck weight, freatboard length all help to contribute to this.

Are there execeptions? Of course, but I think that the percentage of SG's with neck dive are far higher than without.

Anyway its just one persons opinion right?

This post has been edited by EpiSheriMan: 31 January 2018 - 02:13 PM

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 12:46 PM

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 12:57 PM

 EpiSheriMan, on 31 January 2018 - 07:19 AM, said:

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I think it's that Curly cord and tremolo that's helping Frank's SG stay balanced here... [smile]


That is the equalizer for sure. I've owed 4 SG's in my life and I have one now. I use Leather or Lather as it is spelled on an FZ album, no issues.

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 01:06 PM

 FZ Fan, on 30 January 2018 - 04:03 PM, said:


 MartyF, on 30 January 2018 - 03:01 PM, said:

Got rid of my SG400 because of it. As soon as I let go of the neck it tried to tie my shoe laces. Didn't matter what strap I had on it either.
I contemplated putting an acoustic strap onto the headstock but I figured I already look dorky enough so I traded it (and another acoustic)
for a Gibson Flying V. Problem solved!


That is the most preposterous reason I have ever heard of getting rid of a guitar cause when you tie your shoe laces with your guitar on it did a neck dive. How many times a day playing your guitar do your shoes come untied? They make these things called guitar stands.

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Look Mom no hands.


I think you misread that. [lol]
I'm not drunk, you're blurry.

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