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#21 User is offline   mduke22 

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 05:08 PM

@ Tom Brown - I could change the pick ups used on CL for about 100 each... I have the chicken head on mine as well, but... How can I fit the humbuckers on that tiny space wehre the single coils where? I dont get it? Do you know?
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#22 User is offline   mduke22 

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 05:10 PM

@ Tom Brown - I could change the pick ups used on CL for about 100 each... I have the chicken head on mine as well, but... How can I fit the humbuckers on that tiny space where the single coils are? I don't get it? Do you know?
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#23 User is offline   tom brown 

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 06:20 PM

mduke,

i personally would not make that trade, but am not sure what year the standard is, but i notice standard prices for slightly older model are real high, esp. in good condition. And i think as you may know the customs are overrated....don't forget, gibson 's bread and butter used to be the standards and customs before the custom shop stuff came along, and i believe the older standards are higher quality then the ones released today...

The sg you have, i thought you said the body was routed to fit the humbuckers, i think thats gonna be to expensive to do that project....

if your really lusting for the sg 3 with the 57's sneak a bid on the one on ebay, at 670 right now, US, actually in canada, and put in a max bid that you would pay, if you have a dough.....then sell the other sg 3 if you need to.....you will never reget buying that guitar, long as its a good one, and i think it is,,,,the guys really seems pretty anal about the condition which is good...lol


to be honest, since i bought the sg three i sold my g & l , sold the faded sg 3, and don't play the lp much at all....
its a really fine design, get some nice cleans, and some raging overdrive, even country sounds..lol .....the pickups are bright so i am gonna try pure nickel strings next....I played on just the bridge pickup for the last few days, lol, the 57 classic plus is a beast...

As far as that stain take it to a expert, i work with wood at times and certain strong solvents can remove certain stains, but, it can also destroy the finish if the guy is not a expert.....or just play it...........

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 05:13 AM

In reference to the youtube SG 3 advertisement - I really like the clean tone of that guitar[cool]
If you don't wanna rock, then get out of my way
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Posted 19 June 2010 - 02:07 PM

I bought this one about 4 mos. ago and I love it. The pic is before I cleaned her up. I wouldn't trade it for a SG-3 custom anyway or anyhow! They were only made in 2007. I got it for $1350 & I am first owner.

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#26 User is offline   tom brown 

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 06:43 PM

Rew thats the same one i have i have to get some pictures....I am the second owner but it was a closet guitar a drummer bought new and never played....mine has one slight nick, but other then that its like new....mine was 1000 and so many tried to low ball him after i inspected and played it i forked it over...total time, 6.5 minutes.lol..but you got a good deal, these are the best, the best sg's i think.....they play better then guitars that are thousands more.....


rew what strings are you using, and is it a little bright.....they say the pure nickel strings work well, and i have 3 pack i was gonna exchange, but have not yet....


Also, do you think i overstate the quality and range of tones you can get on this model sg 3?
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Posted 19 June 2010 - 07:44 PM

Tom, these axes are definately keepers. The customs have a 3 way switch, one pup at a time and cost thousands more go figure. The chicken switch is the way to go IMHO. The faded SG-3 is nice but I think they have 3 490R/490T pups which are great but have a tone of their own. I like them but I am not a big fan of faded finishes. You definately made a good score. I don't think you overstate the tonal range of these guitars most people have not played a 3 pup guitar with humbuckers and a 6 way switch. I currently am using Power-Bright .10 strings from Thomastik-Infield. They have made strings for instruments for well over 100 yrs. they cost about $12-$13 a set but last 4-5 times as long as the average set and don't lose tone or brightness. they are special made for humbucking pups. Maybe you can try a set and let me know what you think. I don't use anything else on my axes. The gauges are different fom guitar to guitar but I am sold on these strings. Again this is a preference which may differ from person to person. Congrats on the new SG-3 and may it give you years of in your face rock n roll!
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Ibanez 2007 XPT 700 Xiphos
Taylor 2004 Big Baby
Marshall JCM 2000 TSL 602
Genz-Benz 2 x 12 ext. cab
Orange Tiny Terror Amp Head
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#28 User is offline   tom brown 

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 05:21 AM

rew thats what i said in my first post about the customs going for 3 to 5 k and i think that 3 way switch is for one pickup at a time...these sg's are easily worth twice of what we payed.....

The sg 3 faded was ok, but heres a couple things i had trouble with....the bridge pickup seemed a little weak no matter how much i tweaked it. it had flat response also...then the 490's have a certain shrill when overdriven at times....and mine would have to be tuned every day, not a big deal but made me think about why.....


One of the things i like about the 57's is clean they have that real nice grainy brown gibson tone....if you get them right on the edge of breakup, they are real sweet in the bridge, ,kick in the bridge middle p/u and it softens the tone and adds a glossy sound,,,,i haven't played the middle and neck much at all, lol maybe i'll put a push pull to activate all three at once and then i'll get in the rock and roll hall of fame....lol one on ebay now at 750 in canada, and i think i may need a extra, lol.....

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#29 User is offline   Rewddawg1 

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 11:07 AM

Yeah Tom, that black SG-3 on ebay looks sweet also. I personally don't buy 2 guitars with the same set up & sound but I'm not a pro. I like every guitar I buy to sound different than what I already have in my collection as you can see in my signature. That SG-3 looks definately worth $750 but I'll bet some people are waiting for the bidding to get closer to ending and it goes for more. Good Luck maybe you can get another for a decent price. Also I've been watching ebay and it seems most of the SG-3's for sale are black. I haven't seen any Heritage Cherry ones up for sale in the past few mos. since I bought my SG-3. I find that curious unless I keep missing the posts. Anyhoo Welcome to the SG-3 Army!
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Gibson 2007 SG3-HCGH
Gibson 2007 New Century Flying V (LE)
Epiphone 2008 Prophecy SG Custom EX
Epiphone 2009 Prophecy SG Custom GX W/Gibson Dirty Fingers pups.
Ibanez 2007 XPT 700 Xiphos
Taylor 2004 Big Baby
Marshall JCM 2000 TSL 602
Genz-Benz 2 x 12 ext. cab
Orange Tiny Terror Amp Head
Roland 30X Cube
Pedals: Dunlop Jimi Hendrix Wah, Boss Metal Zone & Metal Core, Ibanez Echo/Delay & Chorus/Flanger

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#30 User is offline   tom brown 

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 04:47 PM

rew i wonder if we can get a number because i have only seen two, yours and mine.....and i actually have only seen a couple black.....have to watch ebay though, if you type in " gibson sg custom" if the listing owner used that to list that what you get, as opposed to "gibson sg 3" at one time there were two pages of customs, and not one 2007 sg 3......also, you tube has a few that people show....I was joking about buying another sg 3, although if one fell on my lap for sale it be tough to turn down...


GC had sent me a gift card for 35.00 so i had went and bought like 6 sets of strings and paid the tax, so i go back today to swap the ghs strings for pure nickel, first the guys say we don;t have pure nickel, then he goes online and produced a few sets, but then he says the manager says i only get 2.00 per set credit, which was about the tax difference....i said look i ask for pure nickel and they gave me these so its a exchange as opposed to credit, but they wouldn/t exchange, so they did something good and then screwed it up i will never spend any big money at guitar center, they had already annoyed me a few times trying to trade in guitars.....rew do you know what the , if there is, some strings say pure nickel plated, the ghs boomers are "roundwound nickel plated steel"" is that simply nickel on steel?

What do you think of putting the bumble be vintage cap in the sg 3? i would like to cut the brightness a little, but afraid i'd ruin what i like about the tone...i just just the guiat tone to tame it down now...


hey rew how do you like the epi 's with the dirty fingers pickups?


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#31 User is offline   Rewddawg1 

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 05:25 PM

Tom, check your PM (private message). Also here's a link for pure nickel strings.

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http://store.daddari...l_Wound_Singles

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Gibson 2007 New Century Flying V (LE)
Epiphone 2008 Prophecy SG Custom EX
Epiphone 2009 Prophecy SG Custom GX W/Gibson Dirty Fingers pups.
Ibanez 2007 XPT 700 Xiphos
Taylor 2004 Big Baby
Marshall JCM 2000 TSL 602
Genz-Benz 2 x 12 ext. cab
Orange Tiny Terror Amp Head
Roland 30X Cube
Pedals: Dunlop Jimi Hendrix Wah, Boss Metal Zone & Metal Core, Ibanez Echo/Delay & Chorus/Flanger

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#32 User is offline   tom brown 

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 05:36 PM

forgot to ask you...

rew what do you think of trying a bumble cap in the sg 3? there is one on ebay with two volume and two tone controls, and two bumble caps for 145.00,,,,I'd have to drill two holes, but imagine the tonal varities when you could also play the bridge and neck, lower the volume on either, and adjust the tone on both.....i like the tone now except the brightness on the on the b an e strings......i can get such a wide variety of tones....





am i being greedy??? lol



tom
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#33 User is offline   Rewddawg1 

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 06:28 PM

Tom, this is a question for one of the techies on this forum. If I think a guitar is of any value I personally leave them stock as a rock. That is my personal preference. I have read that it will more closely get you to a 50's-60's type tone but I have no experience with them. Might be a good question in the Vintage Gibson forum.
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Gibson 2007 New Century Flying V (LE)
Epiphone 2008 Prophecy SG Custom EX
Epiphone 2009 Prophecy SG Custom GX W/Gibson Dirty Fingers pups.
Ibanez 2007 XPT 700 Xiphos
Taylor 2004 Big Baby
Marshall JCM 2000 TSL 602
Genz-Benz 2 x 12 ext. cab
Orange Tiny Terror Amp Head
Roland 30X Cube
Pedals: Dunlop Jimi Hendrix Wah, Boss Metal Zone & Metal Core, Ibanez Echo/Delay & Chorus/Flanger

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#34 User is offline   tom brown 

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 06:56 PM

rew ebay has one buy it now 1700.00


no pics yet he will post later.....
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#35 User is offline   tom brown 

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 04:34 PM

mduke22 what did you decide to do????:)
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Posted 24 June 2010 - 05:46 PM

I decided not to trade the LP Classic Antique for his SG Custom. I mean, its a 1987 and apparently the first owner (previous to this one) replaced the inlays with block ones (not Trapezoids)... He said the other guy liked the thicker inlay block feel when playing blues. Plus the stains were too harsh and obvious on the guitar. And lets face it, I don't want to own a beautiful looking and sounding guitar, which is suppose to be expensive... yet has nasty marks which takes the beauty away. I've always wanted to custom make (in my own mind) my own SG. Since Gibson never makes the perfect design that people want. I want to keep my Standard and switch the 3 coils for 3 humbuckers... Classic 57's. I think I will experiment with this one. I want to have a powerful SG that is able to replace my LP's whenever I feel like playing the SG. So, I will invest $400-500 in buying all gold hardware with pickups, pickguard (for humbuckers), and pay to install them. It might not seem the smartest thing to do, but I want to experiment since I love the Satin Finish look with black pickguard on a SG. I was talking to an old guitar fart who was telling me that in 15-30 ys down the road, the natural finishes end up sounding better than covered painted guitars... I want to open a simulated picture that I made if I'd change them.... How can I upload pics to the post?
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#37 User is offline   tom brown 

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 09:05 AM

mdukem i love natural finish, or nitrocellouse, even the heritage cherry finishs best of all''''I agree with the old fart, natural finish let the guitar breathe, and lets them resonate much better...

if you type in " gibson sg 3 " on ebay there is a company that make the volumes, tone harness for the sg 3, price is 145.00, but then you have to get the pickups...don't forget to use a 57 classic plus in the bridge or you will regret it.you can put the 6 way switch in also, which for 40.00 is worth it..

What i decided to do, after listening to advice in this column, is to keep this sg 3,,,,, I may change my sg three to two volume, two tone control (has one now) and put the oil caps in because i love that vintage sound....I can custom orde that from the same company...but have to make sure its wired right or it will be messed up..

thing stopping me is i love the sound on this guitar other then the brightness in the lower e strings....

But the sg 3 is a blues machine, it screams blues with every note....i turn the amp up, the guitar volume down, and get it on the edge of breakup and play for hours....then when you add overdrive its a rock machine. I think the '57" pickup is the best one they make with one exception......lol

What if you swapped for the custom, and dis-assembled it and sanded it down, add the 6 way switch, put a natural finish on it, would that be cheaper for you? if it has chunks missing they make a real good filler, mohawk brand, and for deeper scratches the make a hot wax that goes on with a hot knife that is very difficult to spot....but if its all surface marks can you do it your self?

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 04:53 PM

Mduke, here's a link that should help you with posting pics. It's pretty simple. Looking forward to see pics of your guitar.
http://forums.gibson...g=posts&t=11276
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Gibson 2007 SG3-HCGH
Gibson 2007 New Century Flying V (LE)
Epiphone 2008 Prophecy SG Custom EX
Epiphone 2009 Prophecy SG Custom GX W/Gibson Dirty Fingers pups.
Ibanez 2007 XPT 700 Xiphos
Taylor 2004 Big Baby
Marshall JCM 2000 TSL 602
Genz-Benz 2 x 12 ext. cab
Orange Tiny Terror Amp Head
Roland 30X Cube
Pedals: Dunlop Jimi Hendrix Wah, Boss Metal Zone & Metal Core, Ibanez Echo/Delay & Chorus/Flanger

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#39 User is offline   tom brown 

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 05:05 AM

rew dawg, which amp does that sg 3 seem to like the best, the night train?
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Posted 26 June 2010 - 08:35 AM

[quote name='tom brown]rew dawg' date=' which amp does that sg 3 seem to like the best, the night train?[/quote']

Personally I like my Marshall if I can crank it up to at least 8 on the volume but the night train sounds fantastic also especially for lower volume situations. All my guitars sound different if you look at my sig. They each have a character of their own.

My Toys:
Gibson 2007 SG3-HCGH
Gibson 2007 New Century Flying V (LE)
Epiphone 2008 Prophecy SG Custom EX
Epiphone 2009 Prophecy SG Custom GX W/Gibson Dirty Fingers pups.
Ibanez 2007 XPT 700 Xiphos
Taylor 2004 Big Baby
Marshall JCM 2000 TSL 602
Genz-Benz 2 x 12 ext. cab
Orange Tiny Terror Amp Head
Roland 30X Cube
Pedals: Dunlop Jimi Hendrix Wah, Boss Metal Zone & Metal Core, Ibanez Echo/Delay & Chorus/Flanger

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