poopcicle Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Hi everyone, I just got my new 2016 special t in satin ebony yesterday! It plays good, sounds great and looks good. I noticed tonight that there is no volute and it is listed as standard in the specs for this model. I compared the headstock angle and size to my "Tweedy" and they look similar but my concern is why the missing volute and if it was designed to be there is there a strength/integrity issue because its not? Thanks for any and all insight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg50 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 What is the t for I see T in the description but I don't know what it means It looks like it's significant in some way but I don't know how. Where does it say volute in the specs can you link to the specs I'd like to read where it talks about a volute because that seems like a good idea for gibson do you think volute is what the T is because volute has a T in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjsinla Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 The T most likely stands for Traditional. Gibson has returned to a more "traditional" type of spec instead of the 2015 specs. BTW, I see no mention of a volute in the specs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopcicle Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 Ok looking at specs I dont see the volute mentioned either but in product descriptions on various retailers it mentions it. guess its not an issue after all! http://www.zzounds.com/item--GIBSGSPEC16?siid=179731 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Isn't the Volute, on the '70's Tribute SG Faded? Although, I noticed it, on the 2016 SG Special T version (with the mini-humbuckers) as well. So...??? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/gibson-2016-sg-special-t?source=3WWRWXG9&gclid=CL-PwdGw8scCFQktaQodhIIJxg&kwid=dynamicsearchads-device^c-account^Musicians+Friend+@ADL4+Google+@ADL4+US-campaign^%5BADL%5D+%5BNon@ADL4Brand%5D+%5BUS%5D+%5BEnhanced%5D+Test+@ADL4+Keywordless-adid^75067330940-adgroup^Dynamic+Search+Ad+Group (Go to the "Satin Cherry" version, as it's easier to see, than on the black one!) CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopcicle Posted September 15, 2015 Author Share Posted September 15, 2015 Isn't the Volute, on the '70's Tribute SG Faded? Although, I noticed it, on the 2016 SG Special T version (with the mini-humbuckers) as well. So...??? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/gibson-2016-sg-special-t?source=3WWRWXG9&gclid=CL-PwdGw8scCFQktaQodhIIJxg&kwid=dynamicsearchads-device^c-account^Musicians+Friend+@ADL4+Google+@ADL4+US-campaign^%5BADL%5D+%5BNon@ADL4Brand%5D+%5BUS%5D+%5BEnhanced%5D+Test+@ADL4+Keywordless-adid^75067330940-adgroup^Dynamic+Search+Ad+Group (Go to the "Satin Cherry" version, as it's easier to see, than on the black one!) CB I saw the same pictures and thats why i assumed that it was in the specs for this guitar...... Oh well mine looks, plays and sounds beautiful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Well, how about some photos, of YOUR 2016 guitar?!! One of the "rules" here is: "Photos, or it didn't happen!" They may have changed "spec's," just prior to production, as well. Gibson is known to do that, without warning. They even state as much. So...??? CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Hi everyone, I just got my new 2016 special t in satin ebony yesterday! It plays good, sounds great and looks good. I noticed tonight that there is no volute and it is listed as standard in the specs for this model. I compared the headstock angle and size to my "Tweedy" and they look similar but my concern is why the missing volute and if it was designed to be there is there a strength/integrity issue because its not? Thanks for any and all insight ??? that volute would depreciate your guitar by about 3/4s the value.. the volute was more of like in the way of playing than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 ??? that volute would depreciate your guitar by about 3/4s the value.. the volute was more of like in the way of playing than anything. I have 2 "Norlin" era Les Paul's (Custom and Deluxe) with volutes. They play just fine, and the volute, on each, has no interfering quality, at all! So, I'm not sure what you're talking about. As to it diminishing "value?" None of the current Gibson USA will have much, if ANY "Collector's" monetary value...beyond the natural (possible) increase, due only to inflation! There are quite simply too many made, of most models. The exception(s) might be some of the true "Limited Editions" (CS or Gibson USA), and/or short run "Celebrity" endorsed versions. Even so, they won't approach the original Les Paul(Kalamazoo) and other models of that era. Simply because those were made in very limited quantities, compared to today's abundantly (some might even say over-abundant) produced versions. So, don't worry about "value," except what it's "value" is, to YOU! Just enjoy playing it! CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 ??? that volute would depreciate your guitar by about 3/4s the value.. the volute was more of like in the way of playing than anything. You must have a very different playing style than I do. [lol] To answer the OP "is there a strength/integrity issue..." Yes there is. Gibson headstocks snap off more easily than most other guitars because of the headstock angle and the fact that the headstock and neck are carved from the same piece of wood resulting in what is called "short grain" at the headstock transition. This is also the place where wood is removed for the truss rod adjustment nut and the string nut. The Volute was an attempt to beef up this area in the 1970's but guitars players hated this change because... well... it was a change and they could see it so it must make for bad tooooone... You only see them on modern Gibsons when the guitar is a reissue or "tribute" to a 70's design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Hello! Having a volute on a Gibson is like having a life insurance on it. Wonderful detail too. Doesn't harms playability at all. Cheers... Bence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Neck volutes never affected playability for me, not even such big bumps like that of the Gibson EB 2013 basses: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Anyways, who plays in the first position? It's not an acoustic. :P Cheers... Bence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Never bothered me in the first position, too. B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Where's the photos? Good luck with the SG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus Moe Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I'm getting ready to buy my first SG, and a lot of people have recommended getting a faded model. What would I be losing if I went with a faded over a standard? I guess I'm asking why the price difference? I'm no pro. For example, I golf, but buying the best clubs doesn't make sense for me because my game isn't good enough to make a difference. Is it the same with a guitar? I hope to be good someday, but I really have to work at it, as I have no natural ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sellen Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I'm getting ready to buy my first SG, and a lot of people have recommended getting a faded model. What would I be losing if I went with a faded over a standard? I guess I'm asking why the price difference? I'm no pro. For example, I golf, but buying the best clubs doesn't make sense for me because my game isn't good enough to make a difference. Is it the same with a guitar? I hope to be good someday, but I really have to work at it, as I have no natural ability. Gloss finish Standard has the hotter 498t bridge pickup Bound neck and nicer inlays Heastock inlay The special is A great way to start your gibson experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopcicle Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 Gloss finish Standard has the hotter 498t bridge pickup Bound neck and nicer inlays Heastock inlay The special is A great way to start your gibson experience I have a Tweedy model and my new Special T and I gotta say, even though the Tweedy is beautiful , sounding, looking and playing this new Special T at a fraction of the price tag was worth every penny and more. If your looking to jump in to the Sg world I highly recommend the new 2016 Special T. The faded and the current standards are not doing it for me as I am not a fan of the pickups! I want a Standard with 57 classics! Thats next on my list then a p90 Sg and I am on to Jazzmasters! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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