pepperlovesalt Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Recently my friend came across a lovely AJ with Brazilian Rosewood, made in 2005. Seller hide the serial so I can't tell the exact year. I just hope you fellas can help her to distinguish this guitar is made by Ren Ferguson? Is every Ren's guitar have his signature on the label? How to tell if this one is made by him or with him?? My friend is such a big fan of Ren. Thanks, guys, you rock! Sorry for Hypo, is made in 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Hi, I don't think Gibson has used Brazilian rosewood for quite some time. And Ren left Gibson a few years ago. Oh, and that looks like an Advanced Jumbo, not a J-45. That might be Madagascar or Mystic Rosewood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 First, It's not a J-45. It's a Luthier's Choice AJ. The ones I have seen are Madagascar rosewood, not Brazilian. Unless it is signed by Ren, on the label or somewhere else, there is no specific evidence linking it directly to him. If they are marketing it as a Brazilian rosewood guitar made (or at least signed) be Ren Ferguson, they are going to need the documentation to prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe M Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Hi, I don't think Gibson has used Brazilian rosewood for quite some time. And Ren left Gibson a few years ago. Oh, and that looks like an Advanced Jumbo, not a J-45. That might be Madagascar Rosewood. It sure isn't a J45. It's an Advanced Jumbo, says so right on the label.... EDIT: Nick beat me to it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 . Welcome. As has be mentioned, the guitar is an AJ. I also don't that that's Brazilian RW. Ren was at Gibson in 2005 (left in early 2012). Without a signature on the label, I'm not sure he worked on that particular guitar. Hogeye would probably know, or might be able to find out. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepperlovesalt Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 Got it corrected to AJ. I am not fan of it, already owned an HB Koa and pretty much dedicated to it. Just help my firend who doesn't speak english. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 I hope she didn't pay BW price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepperlovesalt Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 Hi, I don't think Gibson has used Brazilian rosewood for quite some time. And Ren left Gibson a few years ago. Oh, and that looks like an Advanced Jumbo, not a J-45. That might be Madagascar or Mystic Rosewood. Sorry for the Hypo. It's made in 2005 according to seller's desc. Thanks. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepperlovesalt Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 First, It's not a J-45. It's a Luthier's Choice AJ. The ones I have seen are Madagascar rosewood, not Brazilian. Unless it is signed by Ren, on the label or somewhere else, there is no specific evidence linking it directly to him. If they are marketing it as a Brazilian rosewood guitar made (or at least signed) be Ren Ferguson, they are going to need the documentation to prove it. Jeez, couldn't agree more with ya. But I don't think Gibson will recognize it as Ren's work with official documents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepperlovesalt Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 . Welcome. As has be mentioned, the guitar is an AJ. I also don't that that's Brazilian RW. Ren was at Gibson in 2005 (left in early 2012). Without a signature on the label, I'm not sure he worked on that particular guitar. Hogeye would probably know, or might be able to find out. . Thanks for the tip. So you mean if it is Ren's work, he probably signed on the Label?? Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepperlovesalt Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 I hope she didn't pay BW price May I know why? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 May I know why? Thanks. Used Brazilian would go between 3-5K Used Luthiers choice AJ probably 1500-2000 If it were a very special guitar it would probably come with a COA signed by a couple Bozeman people including Ren around that time. Before you lay out big bucks for Brazilian you should have it certified or verified unless you feel you are qualified. I bought one a couple years ago, studied the difference in the density of spores, the slight color difference and smell. I trusted the spore density (or lack of when compared to EI) more than the others. Had it listed in the description of sale and had it verified immediately with a great luthier. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 I like it.. Nice AJ.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponty Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Typically, Brazillian rosewood would cost you several thousands of dollars more than that of East Indian, Madagascan, or Mystic rosewood. Is that a crack in the back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Used Brazilian would go between 3-5K Used Luthiers choice AJ probably 1500-2000 They usually ask more for the Luthier's Choice Madagascar ones. I don't know if they get it or not. If it were Brazilian, it would probably be noted as such on the label. You typically see $1.5-$2k for a good stock East Indian AJ. I've always felt they seemed to be a bargain at those prices, but I've never bought one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullmental Alpinist Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 What's going on in the first picture of the back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepperlovesalt Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 Used Brazilian would go between 3-5K Used Luthiers choice AJ probably 1500-2000 If it were a very special guitar it would probably come with a COA signed by a couple Bozeman people including Ren around that time. Before you lay out big bucks for Brazilian you should have it certified or verified unless you feel you are qualified. I bought one a couple years ago, studied the difference in the density of spores, the slight color difference and smell. I trusted the spore density (or lack of when compared to EI) more than the others. Had it listed in the description of sale and had it verified immediately with a great luthier. Good luck Thanks again for your quick response. The seller asked arnd 6K about it. And He stated it is Brz RW. Will ask for COAs. And you mean, if it's Ren's work, he probably signed on the COA or Label, is that so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 If it were Brazilian, it would probably be noted as such on the label. I agree with this. Sounds like he's trying to sell a 2k guitar for 6k because of some wild grain pattern. If I was shopping for a BW I would look for a straight grain. Probably go with a Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Thanks again for your quick response. The seller asked arnd 6K about it. And He stated it is Brz RW. Will ask for COAs. And you mean, if it's Ren's work, he probably signed on the COA or Label, is that so? Some are more expert here that have answered your questions, but I think to be more specific, IF it was built by Ren, it would say so somewhere on the COA or the certificate if it was to be more valuable. Or if someone wanted to attach more value to it, as opposed to any other guy who would be included in any info. If he DID have a hand in it, (besides his capacity as the man in charge at the time), in a part of the building, it wouldn't be worth more or less. It would ONLY be worth more with documentation stating he built it or had some purpose in building it as something HE built. Ren's signature sometimes appears on some guitars, and the signature itself sometimes brings more money, because Ren was a great man. But he signed guitars for reasons other than him building it. In other words, no Ren written on anything, no extra value in attaching him to the guitar. But there's plenty of Ren in every Gibson acoustic, to varying degrees, since he started at Bozeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepperlovesalt Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 Thanks, everyone. Pass these info to my friend. She will be the one who make the final call. And Merry Christmas to y'all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj200strummer Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 AJs are really great guitars I still regnet that I sold mine..... I own 2 great rosewood guitars (a SJ200 & guild d55) but the AJ is definetly on my list! I dont know but 6k seems to be really really high..... Happy Xmas to all of you! Greetings from germany, Ilja. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichG Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 The wood looks very much like the Madigascar Rosewood on my OM 42. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Thanks again for your quick response. The seller asked arnd 6K about it. And He stated it is Brz RW. Will ask for COAs. And you mean, if it's Ren's work, he probably signed on the COA or Label, is that so? If the guitar is Madagascar rosewood, which it most likely is, it is worth at most about half what the seller is asking. If there is no documentation that even shows it to be Madagascar rosewood, it is worth less than $2k. If it has significant scratches on it--and it's hard to tell from the photos--it is worth less. Ren's signature would add slightly to the value, but probably only if that signature is on the guitar itself. It's too easy for a COA to get separated from a guitar over time, so a signature on a COA would be of marginal additional value. In addition, unless the signature on the COA is an original, rather than a printed facsimile, it probably adds no value at all. As has been pointed out, there is more than a little bit of Ren in every guitar built in Bozeman during the years he was there, but that's already factored into the value of the guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Did ren not sign the underside of tops he worked on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Did ren not sign the underside of tops he worked on? I have heard that, but someone here who has first-hand experience in that regard needs to verify it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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