RONNIERRR Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 I recently bought a gold top lp from Lovies .com and have since totally redone the guitar all nickel sd pg'd tone pro bridge and tail piece cts caps, luxe bees 50's wiringbut im getting a lot of flack from the guitar claiming to be fake which just well really infuriates me! serial #03163336 need help with it to prove its real just the normal gibson card and nothing factory any help wold be great thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eracer_Team Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 You need to provide straight on pictures of both front and back of the headstock and body No angle artistic pictures. Also take the back cover off the control. Panel and take care a clear close up there too. And a close up of the bridge and tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 The serial number would suggest she's a Gibson Les Paul Classic made in 2003. To allow for safe confirmation, some pictures of the original tailpiece, bridge, pickups and electronic parts should be included, too. Some pics of the pickup cavities would also be of help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx-ogre Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 I have a 2003 light burst LP Classic. The serial number is consistent with a Classic, but there are a couple of inconsistencies. First of all, along with "Classic" on the TRC, mine also has "Les Paul Classic" instead of "Les Paul Model" on the headstock. The other thing is the color of the fretboard inlays. They seem much whiter than mine. The inlays on the Classics made back then were "aged" and have a greenish tint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 You need to provide straight on pictures of both front and back of the headstock and body No angle artistic pictures. Also take the back cover off the control. Panel and take care a clear close up there too. And a close up of the bridge and tom Also helpful is a close up of the truss rod. (remove the cover..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Is the serial number not 03163336?....................................... As Cap says; this is consistent with a 2003 guitar. Anyhow; ...The serial number is consistent with a Classic, but there are a couple of inconsistencies. First of all, along with "Classic" on the TRC, mine also has "Les Paul Classic" instead of "Les Paul Model" on the headstock. The other thing is the color of the fretboard inlays. They seem much whiter than mine. The inlays on the Classics made back then were "aged" and have a greenish tint... Usually, tx-ogre, but not always. There are numerous instances of later-period 1960 Classics getting the regular Les Paul MODEL silkscreen which was, of course, the usual version used on all early (up to c. mid-'95) 1960 Classics. Rumour has it that if the LP CLASSIC silkscreen was out of stock the prod. line used whatever was to hand. Furthermore not all the later examples had the strongly coloured inlays. Pip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx-ogre Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Is the serial number not 03163336?....................................... As Cap says; this is consistent with a 2003 guitar. Anyhow; Usually, tx-ogre, but not always. There are numerous instances of later-period 1960 Classics getting the regular Les Paul MODEL silkscreen which was, of course, the usual version used on all early (up to c. mid-'95) 1960 Classics. Rumour has it that if the LP CLASSIC silkscreen was out of stock the prod. line used whatever was to hand. Furthermore not all the later examples had the strongly coloured inlays. Pip Based on the serial number, it appears to be a 2003 Classic. Perhaps the later model year (post 2003) Classics had the different "Model" headstock silkscreen and different color fretboard inlays, but my 2003 Classic (purchased new in 2003, serial #035067) had the features I noted. I remember when I was researching the Classics, the critics complained about the "Les Paul Classic" on the headstocks and especially the greenish inlays. I could be wrong, but I'm sure these were the only features available in 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Farnsbarns Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Like all things Gibson it's not as simple as saying 1 year has xyz while another has ABC. Very haphazard in reality. Your guitars were built 4000 appart and could easily have different coloured inlays and a different silk screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Based on the serial number, it appears to be a 2003 Classic... I might be mistaken, tx-ogre, but the post is slightly mixed up in terms of text / images but if you remove the first image you get; ...serial #03163336...need help with it to prove its real... It would be good if the OP lets us know the right number! Pip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx-ogre Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I might be mistaken, tx-ogre, but the post is slightly mixed up in terms of text / images but if you remove the first image you get; It would be good if the OP lets us know the right number! Pip. The OP indicated the serial number is 031633. As Capmaster first indicated, that is a serial number for a 2003 Les Paul Classic. If that serial number is correct, the OP's concerns about the guitar being a fake could be true based on the inconsistencies. I assumed OP replaced the TRC since he had already replaced the pups, hardware and electronics. It will be interesting to see if the OP provides any additional info or pics. Now my curiosity is piqued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 The OP indicated the serial number is 031633. As Capmaster first indicated, that is a serial number for a 2003 Les Paul Classic... I could, of course, be wrong tx-ogre but I think you are not seeing - or have 'passed-by' - the '36' at the edge of the first picture which, I believe (and I could be wrong!), is part of the serial number. This would mean that the serial number would be not "03 1633" but "03163336" which, as chance would have it, will also date the guitar to 2003 - hence Cap's post. Pip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx-ogre Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I could, of course, be wrong tx-ogre but I think you are not seeing - or have 'passed-by' - the '36' at the edge of the first picture which, I believe (and I could be wrong!), is part of the serial number. This would mean that the serial number would be not "03 1633" but "03163336" which, as chance would have it, will also date the guitar to 2003 - hence Cap's post. Pip. I'm not sure what number you are referring to. I only see two photos: the first one of the front of the headstock and the second one of the body. I don't see any photos of the back of the headstock or with serial numbers. Perhaps the photo you are referring to does is not displaying on my iPad. I'm just going by the six-digit serial number provided by the OP, which is consistent with a 2003 Classic. Edit: Never mind . My bad. I just saw the 36 in the text between the two photos. If the serial number is actually 8 digits, then it's a 2003 non-Classic model. I'm going to logoff now and indulge in a vodka martini or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Zeplin Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I'm not sure what number you are referring to. I only see two photos: the first one of the front of the headstock and the second one of the body. I don't see any photos of the back of the headstock or with serial numbers. Perhaps the photo you are referring to does is not displaying on my iPad. I'm just going by the six-digit serial number provided by the OP, which is consistent with a 2003 Classic. 😀 He inserted the photo amidst the serial number. The first six digits are before the picture, the last two 36 after at the start of the next line of text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Zeplin Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 The classic should have an ABR bridge and pointer washers too, although they could be changed. Pickups were also high output 500T and something else. Also things that can be swapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 EDIT : See below; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 ...I'm going to logoff now and indulge in a vodka martini or two.... I'm lifting a wee 40-y-o malt as I type and I bid you some Very Good Health, tx-ogre! Pip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 all that clear peeling away from the logo proves its a Gibson.. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx-ogre Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 If it were a Classic would it not have uncovered pickups? (even though I guess its a common mod to cover them). If it was a Classic, it would have come stock with the 496R/500T open coil set and an ABR-1 bridge. I still have them in mine. But Op indicated that he swapped out pups for some SD's, the bridge and tail piece, and much of the wiring and electronics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 If it was a Classic, it would have come stock with the 496R/500T open coil set and an ABR-1 bridge. I still have them in mine. But Op indicated that he swapped out pups for some SD's, the bridge and tail piece, and much of the wiring and electronics. Yeah I re-read it after I posted that which is why I then deleted it.. and I had nothing else useful to say... :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx-ogre Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Yeah I re-read it after I posted that which is why I then deleted it.. and I had nothing else useful to say... :unsure: No worries. I fell victim to the same thing. I hate it when that happens. 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx-ogre Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I'm lifting a wee 40-y-o malt as I type and I bid you some Very Good Health, tx-ogre! Pip. And the same to you, kind sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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