KSG_Standard Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Here's a new one for you...only 2 of the 18 people that Obama has picked to oversee the reorganization and rebuilding of the US auto industry drive American made cars. Thanks for the change Obama! I take it from your last post, that you didn't look at the Wall Street Journal article on productivity in the different states. And for your information the majority of the "Right" wants enforcement of imigration workplace laws, a closed border and NO employment of illegal aliens. A majority of the "Left" wants an open border and lax or no enforcemnet of immigrant workplace regulation. Obama, said he was against NAFTA when he was campaigning, but on his recent trip to Canada, he said that he supports NAFTA. More change we can beleive in! Funny thing, states like Texas (which shares a long border with Mexico) added millions of good jobs and brought in thousands of new manufactureres since NAFTA went into effect. Most of the "Right to Work" states grew over the past 10-15 years, while most of the "closed shop" states lost jobs, manufacturers and citizens during the same period. Wierd huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homz Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 +10000 I have a bond saved up over the last 15 years for my college. My parents aren't contributing at all. There needs to be more of an emphasis on empathy in college. It's about an entire generation of Americans (or more) who don't have bonds or savings or jobs. It's about stopping that cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clance Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 7. Get ready for Meximericanada. With the continued destabilization of our economy' date=' it won't be long before we see a new regional country with the Amero as it's new currency. [/quote'] Oh god no please no. It'll be a cold goddamned day in hell before that will ever be a good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mick Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 If your home was in bad shape and you couldn't sell it you'd spend some cash to fix it up and you could sell it for a higher value Right ? Say you've been laid off work and you are looking for a new job and say you were a laborer and you don't have nice clothes Wouldn't you wan't to barrow some $ from family or friends so you could get something nice to ware for the interviews so that maybe you could have a better chance at a good job ? What if you worked you whole life and than one day someone attacked you and you ended up with $100,000 + in medical bills. and were out of work for a year recuperating. and social security refused your disability claim because you couldn't afford a lawyer. So you lost your house, car, guitars, and most everything else you had. And when you finally got back to work the insurance at your new job wouldn't cover pre existing conditions and your injury's had left you with serious heart problems. So you just keep working as hard and as much as you could to pay for the meds and the cardo Dr's visits and testing. After a few years you end up doing you heart more damage and you get weaker and weaker until you couldn't work at all anymore or play out live and finally end up losing everything you tried to rebuild. But this time your Dr's insisted you go on disability and move to a lower altitude. So you have to wait 6 months for disability to finally approve you but now your homeless and your credit is destroyed. They end up giving you $1000 a month to live on and you can't get Medicaid because you make too much. But if you don't see your Dr's regularly they decide you must be doing fine and threaten to take your disability away. What would you do than ? You'd get food stamp would't you and you'd be damn glad they were available through programs the government used your tax money for while you were working that help other people than and from others for you now. You see just because you work hard all your life doesn't mean you'll be OK. This is were I'm at and many other people for many other reasons. most people don't chose to sit on there a**'s all day sometimes you have no choice in the matter. I would love to be able to work and to play Hard Rock still but I can't. I'm board out of my mind sometimes it's unbearable. I hope Obama will do something good with health care W sure didn't he did nothing that didn't help his own interests. If I was able to work or if my SSDI gets taken away I would be all over a new job repairing the country's roads, bridges and electric grid. We have already seen what doing nothing does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRom Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 You know what's funny here, the points that Homz is making against the right are nearly word for word points that I've heard the right make against the left. From what I've skimmed anyway. Most posts are far too long. Didn't I tell you that both parties suck equally? There's really nothing bad that you can say about one party that also isn't true for the other party. Unfortunately there's not much good you can say about either party to balance the bad. Not picking on you Homz but you seem to be the only one holding up the left end. and I wasn't going to comment on this topic ... d'oh! Oh BTW: I dislike Elton John's music than anyone else. And I'm not a Johnny come lately detractor. I've disliked him from the begining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homz Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 You know what's funny here' date=' the points that Homz is making against the right are nearly word for word points that I've heard the right make against the left. From what I've skimmed anyway. Most posts are far too long. Didn't I tell you that both parties suck equally? There's really nothing bad that you can say about one party that also isn't true for the other party. Unfortunately there's not much good you can say about either party to balance the bad. Not picking on you Homz but you seem to be the only one holding up the left end. and I wasn't going to comment on this topic ... d'oh! Oh BTW: I dislike Elton John's music than anyone else. And I'm not a Johnny come lately detractor. I've disliked him from the begining. [/quote'] I took some irony lessons recently and thought to implement them. Pay back is a Bit**. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRom Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I'm glad you're still with us dude. This would be a much duller place if you left ... er ... withdrew - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarooster52 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 FREE MONEY....is a horrible idea...unless I can get some of it so I can buy another Gibson and keep the economy going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mick Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 If your home was in bad shape and you couldn't sell it you'd spend some cash to fix it up and you could sell it for a higher value Right ? Say you've been laid off work and you are looking for a new job and say you were a laborer and you don't have nice clothes Wouldn't you wan't to barrow some $ from family or friends so you could get something nice to ware for the interviews so that maybe you could have a better chance at a good job ? What if you worked you whole life and than one day someone attacked you and you ended up with $100,000 + in medical bills. and were out of work for a year recuperating. and social security refused your disability claim because you couldn't afford a lawyer. So you lost your house, car, guitars, and most everything else you had. And when you finally got back to work the insurance at your new job wouldn't cover pre existing conditions and your injury's had left you with serious heart problems. So you just keep working as hard and as much as you could to pay for the meds and the cardo Dr's visits and testing. After a few years you end up doing you heart more damage and you get weaker and weaker until you couldn't work at all anymore or play out live and finally end up losing everything you tried to rebuild. But this time your Dr's insisted you go on disability and move to a lower altitude. So you have to wait 6 months for disability to finally approve you but now your homeless and your credit is destroyed. They end up giving you $1000 a month to live on and you can't get Medicaid because you make too much. But if you don't see your Dr's regularly they decide you must be doing fine and threaten to take your disability away. What would you do than ? You'd get food stamp would't you and you'd be damn glad they were available through programs the government used your tax money for while you were working that help other people than and from others for you now. You see just because you work hard all your life doesn't mean you'll be OK. This is were I'm at and many other people for many other reasons. most people don't chose to sit on there a**'s all day sometimes you have no choice in the matter. I would love to be able to work and to play Hard Rock still but I can't. I'm board out of my mind sometimes it's unbearable. I hope Obama will do something good with health care W sure didn't he did nothing that didn't help his own interests. If I was able to work or if my SSDI gets taken away I would be all over a new job repairing the country's roads, bridges and electric grid. We have already seen what doing nothing does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSG_Standard Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I'm sorry for your problems brother! But that's not what the argument/discussion is about. If I were you, I'd fight for the social security, because you've paid into the system and it's supposed to be your money. Remember that social security is a program started by a liberal democrat, it was supposed to be a safety net of last resort. The system is broke, because it's a bad system. The rules that govern social security are by and large rules that have been put in place by liberal politicians as they have controlled congress for the majority of the past 50 years. It was a liberal democratic congress that rewrote the SS rules to allow the federal government to spend the social security "trust fund" as if it were general tax funds. The spending of the fund, coupled with a reduced number of people paying into the system vs. the number of people drawing out of the system have made it more difficult to get SSDI approved. You want to give these same politicians more money and power and hope for a different outcome. ...We have already seen what doing nothing does. I'm 48 years old and the government has never just "done nothing" they make new bad laws to "fix" the last bad laws. They keep doing stuff, even when it's wrong. The only time we are ever close to safe from our friendly government is when the government is devided and unable to accomplish anything new. IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bol316 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Hey The Mick' date=' Do you think that the Dems wanted W to succeed? They were against him from the moment he stepped into the white house. Both parties want the other to fail, so that they won't get reelected. There's nothing new in what Limbaugh is saying, it's just that the talking points against obama are coming from Talk radio instead of NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBS, NYT, Washington Times, Seattle Intelligencer, or any of the other large newspapers. W had all of the media and the dems against him from day one. Obama only has Rush, Hannity and a few others talking against him. [/quote'] Here we go with the "liberal media" boogie man now. If it isnt the NRA Boogie Man, its the Liberal Media one. Why do people love to play make believe with politics? They have had the "liberal media" lie pumped into their head so many times that as soon as they read a paper/watch a newscast that criticizes a Republican EVER, they get dumped into the old "liberal media" bucket immediately. Heres a great idea, just let capitalism run wild and everything will be ok. We will all hug, kiss, pat each other on the back and give our brothers and sisters a helping hand whenever they need it. Wow, I sure would love to live in THAT fantasy land. Put down the pipe and lets get real here folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bol316 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Bahahahahaha. Yeah Keith Olbermann is completely un bias. Where did anyone say Keith Olberman isnt biased? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSG_Standard Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I can give you empiracl evidence to back up my statements regarding the media, I don't think, however, that you are a facts kind of guy, most libs aren't. So maybe we should all just have that group hug thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bol316 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I can give you empiracl evidence to back up my statements regarding the media' date=' I don't think, however, that you are a facts kind of guy, most libs aren't. So maybe we should all just have that group hug thing... [img']http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp86/kellyg7809/group-hug.jpg[/img] Look, as far as NATIONAL media goes, Fox is way on the right, MSNBC is way on the left. The rest are, more or less (i cant speak for every local newspaper. i only have so much time in a day) as in the middle as one could ask for. But the right will continue the "liberal media" lie anyway to try to shift the media to the right. Oh and that pic, . No way I am hugging you if you wear a thong and no shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbomb76 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Too bad there isn't a smiley for induced vomiting, I'd use it right now. Face it, gang, you were going to be screwed no matter which way you voted and no matter who won. I still think my balloon knot would be even MORE sore had it went the other way, and our buddies in the military would be looking for permanent residence away from their families in that hellhole of a war-zone we've helped make the Middle East (no offense to you Mid-Easterners, it's not candy and roses over here right now either, mind you). Progress, after all, IS progress, and sometimes you have to take a stumble forward before you can improve anything. And the upside is that we have no more Cheneys, Bushes or Palins in the White House, and that, my friends, is enough to help me sleep a little better tonight. Yes, I went there. [-X/ I like talking about music, toys or girls better anyway. H-Bomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mick Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 KSG_Standard As I don't agree with all you say I see devision being a very big problem in getting things done. When talking about SSI ect I don't blame one side it took both to screw it up over the years with all the red tape. As I said I'm a - Non-Republicrat-. I just have a problem with people saying that people who need help are just sitting on there a**'s. I have a hard enough time trying to tell myself I "NEED" help but when others say it It really sticks. P.S Please don't hug me I'm fragile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RudyH Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 A very interesting post. In record time, president Obama has fully inherited and taken ownership of our various problems, and he's doing a very bad job. This is being recognized worldwide. For example, the following is an uncharacteristically frank article from last week's The Economist, the world's leading economics journal: QUOTE The bigger blow to Mr Obama comes not so much from the failure of a project that was never, given the nature of politics, really viable. It is that the latest episode contributes to a surprising picture of incompetence that is building up around his presidency. This is the third of his cabinet nominations to go down in flames, and he has also lost the woman whom he had hoped to appoint to the job of chief performance officer to the government. He should additionally count himself extremely lucky that he did not lose his treasury secretary, Tim Geithner, who failed to pay some of his taxes and who would surely not make it through to confirmation if he had to do now rather in the first post-inauguration flush. Mr Geithner has proved a disappointment in other ways, almost igniting a trade row with China with a thoughtless statement, and producing on February 10th a bank bailout package of such vapid generality that it sent the markets into a tailspin. Mr Geithner needs to raise his game. And so does Mr Obama. UNQUOTE http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?story_id=13129970&source=features_box2 Some weeks ago, **** Morris, Bill Clinton's former political advisor, predicted that by 2010, or 2012 at the latest, Obama's "name will be mud", but it will be too late to undo the socialist transformations that are being made today. I don't think we need to wait until 2010. President Obama, as G.W. Bush before him, is the perfect example of why we need two parties: one in power and the other almost in power. The spending frenzy started when the Republicans owned the executive and legislative under Bush, and the Democrats were powerless to oppose. Today the party roles are reversed but the damage to our country is increasing because there is nobody to check the power madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californiaman Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 This just in from Lars Larson: Why don't we automatically rewrite all of the "Good" mortgages in America. Basically if you had a mortgage and were locked in and paying say 6% on your mortgage. Rewrite every mortgage to reflect a 4% rate. That's roughly $200.00 per month if you base it on the median value of homes at $200,000.00. This in turn would also stimulate the economy by giving "Good" homeowners more money to spend. Makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mick Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I can get behind that ! But here we have that gray area of "Good" homeowners ? Does that include folks who at no fault of there own can no longer pay the mortgage? I know it's unrealistic but if they had good credit history before being laid off ect... they should have access to some support like job training in new fields that are needed and or a temporary hold on there payments so they can keep there homes and get back to work. Welfare should have to reevaluate everyone getting assistance which would create jobs to do. Than redistribute it to people who NEED the help to get back on there feet and take it away from those taking advantage of the system make them work or starve if there able bodied. Like I said It's unrealistic but It could be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSG_Standard Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I can get behind that ! But here we have that gray area of "Good" homeowners ? Does that include folks who at no fault of there own can no longer pay the mortgage? I know it's unrealistic but if they had good credit history before being laid off ect... they should have access to some support like job training in new fields that are needed and or a temporary hold on there payments so they can keep there homes and get back to work. Welfare should have to reevaluate everyone getting assistance which would create jobs to do. Than redistribute it to people who NEED the help to get back on there feet and take it away from those taking advantage of the system make them work or starve if there able bodied. Like I said It's unrealistic but It could be done. I could get behind a plan like that. I don't mind helping folks who need assistance for a short time because of no fault of their own. I think that's what welfare and government assistance is supposed to do. The problem is the people that game the system, and the people that make money off of "victems". It's the waste, fraud and abuse that spoils the programs. Nobody wants to see families out on the street, not even the mortgage companies want that, they are in the business of lending money, not reselling real estate. If the loony tunes in Washington wanted to fix the problem, they probably could...I don't think they really want to though...do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mick Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 If the loony tunes in Washington wanted to fix the problem' date=' they probably could...I don't think they really want to though...do you?[/quote'] I think some do but. I think Obama does or at least he thinks he does. Whether or not he is able to is something else. I swear I can hear that cow bell. Clang Clang Clang.......................I need a pill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyH Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Today the house democrats proposed another $410 billion spending package and it didn't even make the headlines. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/House-Democrats-propose-410B-apf-14450221.html Excerpt: WASHINGTON (AP) -- House Democrats unveiled a $410 billion spending bill on Monday to keep the government running through the end of the fiscal year, setting up the second political struggle over federal funds in less than a month with Republicans. The measure includes thousands of earmarks, the pet projects favored by lawmakers but often criticized by the public in opinion polls. There was no official total of the bill's earmarks, which accounted for at least $3.8 billion. The legislation, which includes an increase of roughly 8 percent over spending in the last fiscal year, is expected to clear the House later in the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californiaman Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Here's what Larson was talking about when he put forth the idea. It's for people who have been paying their mortgages regularly, responsibly. He also said that because the deal was already done, title, appraisals etc.., there's no reason for that. So if a bank wants to gather together say 10,000 "good" mortgages, and lower the rate to a manageable rate and present those to Freddie Mack or Fannie Mae, that would be good. As it sits today, if you call to renegotiate your interest rate, people are often told no because they pay on time and don't miss payments. You have to wreck you credit before you can negotiate it down. This is typical of our society at this point. Good responsible people are not rewarded. Like I said, you have to wreck your credit, miss payments for three months, and then they'll help you out. The logic behind Larsen's idea makes great sense. Responsible people will have extra money in their pockets, thus more discretionary spending. Anyway seemed like a good idea to me. If I can find it on his websight, I'll post the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californiaman Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 If the loony tunes in Washington wanted to fix the problem' date=' they probably could...I don't think they really want to though...do you?[/quote'] No they don't want to fix the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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