suburude63 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Hi all ! From time to time I post what I think are interesting bits of info I come across on line as well as a new guitar I get and share it with you all. It may not all the time be a Gibson but sometimes it is. Is this ok with you guys? I feel that of all the forums I belong too. this one is the most laid back and has the least amount of BS and narrowness! I guess what I am asking is . Is it ok to show you a new purchase of a Collings and share that with this community even though its not a Gibson? Or share info music or guitar related but not directly connected to a Gibson? I have received some great general guitar, music info from you guys in the past not related to Gibsons! I hope its ok? suburude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr newhaven Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 i say go for it! ive seen people post pics of collings in the past and they are gorgeous guitars! i still wouldnt trade my L-00 for one but i like to look at pics...absolutely! for the most part...i dont think anyone has a major problem with it...the amount of non-gibson material on this forum is sooo nominal that the occasional story/comparison/pic/experience is by no means a deal breaker for forum membership! lets see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jannusguy Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 i'm good. have at it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT Foote Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Personally, I enjoy hearing about any kind of guitars, especially ones that are boutique, similar to, and/or in direct competition to Gibson. Variety is the spice of life, as they say. I've learned a great deal about guitars in general while cruising through different forums, and I like to compare aspects of various guitars, especially against recent offerings from Bozeman, such as wood types and quality, bracing, fret work (size, metal used, kinds of binding), quality control, etc. I've played a lot of instruments over the years, and I find it is very interesting to consider what makes a guitar appealing to me (or not), and what turns on (or off) another player. For instance, I've handled a few Martins, some new, some not, and I've really only liked a single HD-28, even though I really wanted to be impressed with others. And I've noticed that brand name instruments tend to change drastically over time, such as a Washburn I owned back in the '80s being a much finer instrument for the money (IMHO) vs a typical guitar released today from the same company, even taking in account the lower buying power of the current dollar. Being able to compare the elements of what makes up an instrument, even if it's no more than a difference in opinion, whether based on recording, stage, or studio experience, tonal qualities, or technical specifications ... all these things taken in consideration both help educate (and perhaps even fascinate) potential players and owners towards making a life-long purchase. Or perhaps, just for an investment opportunity. For example, it was after spending much time investigating many examples of owner's opinions that I decided to consider buying a mahogany dreadnought, even though I had never really played a guitar that satisfied my ear unless it was rosewood. I spent my formative years principally playing piano, and guitars that expressed a similar breath of tone is what I found the most appealing. And then there was even the appearance of the wood that drew my eye, with grain, color, book-matching, silking ... all were influential. Mahogany, to me, seemed rather drab in comparison (although since then, I've seen some incredibly beautiful mahogany back and sides.) It didn't help matters that the only acoustic Gibson I had ever played was a '70s model mahogany dread, and I really didn't like it. Today, I am seriously impressed with my new Southern Jumbo, and the completely different kind of sonic projection it is capable of producing. The fact is, without comparison for comparisons sake, I admit that it would have been unlikely that I would have developed such an intense curiosity about learning something new. And that has enhanced my musical knowledge and creative impulses; which unfortunately, for far too long, has laid dormant. And so, for me, if it's a Gibson ... talk about it. Post pictures. Say everything about it that turns you on, and what doesn't, too. And if it happens to be from another maker ... ditto. You post it, and they will come, I have no doubt. I know I will. <Big Grin> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pup Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Let's see her! I've never played a Collings, how does she sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitfidl Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 So far as I am concerned: yes. I play every 2nd Sunday at Buffalo Bros where the wall is lined with Collins and Taylor and Martin and NOT Gibson http://members.cox.net/sdfss/pictures.htm .. so I show up with my Gibson or Tacoma (another brand they don't like)(NOR do they do Washburn or Hamer). But I like Gibson .. and I respect Taylor, Martin, Collings. (my own **experience** is that NONE of these guitars are finished when you buy them ... they are about $500 short of being what you want) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Player Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 In my opinion, it's wood and it's steel.... show me the photos! By the way, I have played a few Collings and they are wonderful guitars. I think they do "Martin" better than Martin does..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPDEN Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I think by comparing to others, you can appreciate each for their uniqueness and own quality of tones and feel. I've owned quite a few brands over the years, but I have to admit the J-45 is my favorite of all. (Note to self: buy one already!)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclemac Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 FWIW, I say let 'er rip. I love Gibsons, and Martins. I've had a couple of Taylors I liked a lot. And a Seagull. And a Westerly Guild. I think this is a pretty good forum, not interested in that kind of censorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rar Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Is this ok with you guys? ... Is it ok to show you a new purchase of a Collings and share that with this community even though its not a Gibson? I think maybe you're not asking the right question. It doesn't bother me in the least' date=' and it doesn't bother any of the other participants AFAICT, but I've heard from some folks at Gibson that it bothers them. How much depends on who at Gibson and on exactly what you say. Just posting something like "I just bought a new Martin. The fit and finish is great. Sounds great, too!" is enough to incite some grumbling (along the lines of "This forum is supposed to be about Gibsons! How come he can't talk about this somewhere else?"). But nobody gets [i']too[/i] upset. Generally speaking, they play guitars, and love guitars, just like us (and plenty of them own a Martin or two, just like us). On the other hand, posting something like "I just bought a new Martin. The fit and finish is better than any Gibson. Sounds better than my Gibsons, too!" quite understandably triggers apoplexy and talk of shutting down the Forum. Anyway, I'd urge folks to think about just how much they want to upset folks at Gibson in the name of honesty and free expression by posting rave reviews of non-Gibson guitars here rather than someplace else. -- Bob R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maninblack Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Bob R has a point. I guess this is the difference between the unofficial and official host. But I think it stands to reason that just by virtue of participating on this forum a person would have to like Gibsons some. I don't think there are any anti-Gibson forum members. Personally, I like to look at guitar porn of all makes. Except Taylor. They just don't do it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballcorner Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Is it ok to show you a new purchase of a Collings and share that with this community even though its not a Gibson? suburude My suggestion is to post your Collings and relate it to your Gibson(s). " I bought a new Collings to play leads over the foundations I record on my J45RW " " Here is my new Collings standing next to my Gibson Advanced Jumbo. See how much prettier the AJ is? " " I got my new Collings today and realized I wasted a ton of money that could have been spent on Gibsons. " " My new Collings D-1 sounds like a Martin for city slickers. Damn, I wish I had bought a Taylor - or better yet, a Gibson. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Allen Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Post em, brotha, anytime. I love to looks at the guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitfidl Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 When you are comparing Gibsons to Taylors and Martins and Collings I think Gibson knows they are in good company. That's about right. If you were comparing them to "lesser" brands then I can see where Gibson would have a complaint. One thing I like about Gibson is that they are not offering those unfinished right-off-the-CNC-machine models while some of their competition are. I was just over at Guitar Center and they are shifting inventory around and marking down a number of Martin and Taylor models by $600 or $900 dollars. (Just looking at the reduced inventory and the mark downs I'd say Guitar Center is having trouble "moving product" -- and like a car dealer they are on a flooring plan over there.) Money is tight and it is getting tighter. (stocks tumbled again today especially banking and retail). There will be a lot of pressure on all makers of anything (including musical instruments) to offer the lowest price options just to keep their doors open. Gibson cannot make more than a couple hundred dollars on a guitar if they sell it to Guitar Center for 2/3 of retail value. From that they have to cover the costs of being open (just like any company). I (for one) hope they can survive -- that Gibson can still be making guitars 10 or 25 years from now. They are a very good brand and very good product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I thought we put this dog out a long time ago. It's a guitar forum-- we all love guitars. Guitars=Good. You like Guitars? HEY! Me Too! But I really like my Gibsons- and this is a nice place to kick around with other Gibson folk. I can't see anyone getting too bent out of shape if another brand pops up now and then. ('Guitars=Good", remember) This has to be one of the most accepting and friendly forums around. (I would imagine the Gibson boys and girls get a little more upset at some of the misinformation about Gibson guitars that occasionally gets posted here.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I thought we put this dog out a long time ago.It's a guitar forum-- we all love guitars. Guitars=Good. You like Guitars? HEY! Me Too! But I really like my Gibsons- and this is a nice place to kick around with other Gibson folk. I can't see anyone getting too bent out of shape if another brand pops up now and then. ('Guitars=Good"' date=' remember) This has to be one of the most accepting and friendly forums around. (I would imagine the Gibson boys and girls get a little more upset at some of the misinformation about Gibson guitars that occasionally gets posted here.)[/quote'] Excellent. This forum is pretty laid back. Look at the garbage they let slide in the Lounge. Murph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rar Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 (I would imagine the Gibson boys and girls get a little more upset at some of the misinformation about Gibson guitars that occasionally gets posted here.) Hoss, I think it's pretty much a tie -- after all, one can only get so upset by something that happens on a forum! The difference in the case of misinformation is that there's a plan afoot to do something about it. Paul: "Please, say no more." Ahme: "I can say no more." -- Bob R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscott4079 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Just posting something like "I just bought a new Martin. The fit and finish is great. Sounds great, too!" is enough to incite some grumbling (along the lines of "This forum is supposed to be about Gibsons! How come he can't talk about this somewhere else?"). But nobody gets too upset. Generally speaking, they play guitars, and love guitars, just like us (and plenty of them own a Martin or two, just like us). On the other hand, posting something like "I just bought a new Martin. The fit and finish is better than any Gibson. Sounds better than my Gibsons, too!" quite understandably triggers apoplexy and talk of shutting down the Forum. First, I doubt that Gibson gives that much thought to what's going on in the individual topics. There's a current discussion going on right now on the Acoustic board about buying Certificates of Deposits at your credit union. Second, if I was Gibson, I'd like to hear what folks were saying about the competition, be it positive or negative. Seems like a good way of gathering consumer intelligence if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modac Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 The fit and finish is better than any Gibson. Sounds better than my Gibsons, too!" quite understandably triggers apoplexy and talk of shutting down the Forum. There's a simple solution to that little bugaboo----and I say this as someone who has purchased and owned 11 Montana made Gibsons .....Gibson can start consistently producing guitars with fit and finish on a par with (or better than) other larger makers.....and then such remarks will be baseless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinder Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Post away! I love hearing tales of new acquisitions of any wood'n'steel derivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Player Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Personally' date=' I like to look at guitar porn of all makes. Except Taylor. They just don't do it for me.[/quote'] That's OK... just more for me to look at then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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