dem00n Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Dream Theater? Important metal band? What books are you reading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibSinCity Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 is there a band performing at the moment that are better than metallica live?...i don't think so SABBATH is HEAVY, but JUDAS PRIEST is METAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadCase Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Metallica??? WTF??? I'll go w/ Tesla or The Black Crowes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewddawg1 Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 O.K. As far as metal goes' date=' Sabbath Priest Maiden But Metallica are a strong fourth, IMO. They helped kill hair metal, God bless them for that!!![/quote'] As far as pioneers of metal and taking hard rock to the next level. I think Sabbath, Priest & Maiden fit the bill. As far as the best? There is alot of good tunes to choose from IMHO. Rewd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 SABBATH is HEAVY' date=' but JUDAS PRIEST is METAL.[/quote']What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewddawg1 Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Hey demOOn, Why do you knock EMG's so much? They do exactly what they were designed to do. When they first came out they were hotter than sliced bread. Alot of good musicians make good music using EMG's. I don't consider them the best but they do a decent job and not everyone is using an 81 either so as far as to say they suck I regretfully have to disagree. Rewd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojoRedFoot Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Hey demOOn' date=' Why do you knock EMG's so much? They do exactly what they were designed to do. When they first came out they were hotter than sliced bread. Alot of good musicians make good music using EMG's. I don't consider them the best but they do a decent job and not everyone is using an 81 either so as far as to say they suck I regretfully have to disagree.Rewd. [/quote'] No no no no no! don't open that can of worms! Just read my sig. That's all you need to know. I will also give props where they are due....Iron Maiden is definitely one of the best metal bands that there will ever be....led by Bruce of course. Also, Metallica was approached to do the documentary. It was not seen as another way to make money. For all you nay sayers who say they sold out, if Metallica made an album where supposed fans made the decisions, it would suck. The reason they are respected and got where they are today is because they followed their rules since day 1. So they wanted to work with Bob Rock. What's the big deal? It didn't turn them into Motley Crue. DM was produced by Rick Reuben and it didn't turn them into Public Enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Hey demOOn' date=' Why do you knock EMG's so much? They do exactly what they were designed to do. When they first came out they were hotter than sliced bread. Alot of good musicians make good music using EMG's. I don't consider them the best but they do a decent job and not everyone is using an 81 either so as far as to say they suck I regretfully have to disagree.Rewd. [/quote'] Is this guy serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojoRedFoot Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Is this guy serious? Just let it go. For the love of God..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Just let it go. For the love of God..... Alright. Hes new, but next guy. Hes going to ****ing get a book signed by me about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shnate McDuanus Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Vince Gill, Steve Lukather, Bobby Vega, and David Gilmour use EMGs and they seem to like them an awful lot. They have uses that range far beyond extreme, over-the-top distortion. I've played a few guitars with EMGs, and I have to say that in some situations I think that they have their uses. I played a Guild Bluesbird with EMGs and I thought it sounded great. They're very articulate and smooth, and I liked the way they sounded, even if they seemed a little sterile (of course, I was playing "By the Light of the Silvery Moon" or something along those lines, so maybe it was good that they were a little sterile.) But hey, dem00n, if you don't like EMGs, that's OK. They don't sound good to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyVader Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Also' date=' Metallica was approached to do the documentary. [/quote'] They didn't say no though did they...???...hmmm I was in a UK band that had a number 1 album in Europe (don't ask! was just hired to bash out chords) and they went through several line up changes...the music press wanted to know about the line up change etc...but the first they knew about the new line up was when they came to the gig with the punters....never made a doco about it...never moaned about file sharing not making them even richer than they already are.... Metallica just aren't...err..Metal.... More plastic..... But if you want to buy Lars a new painting (he collect's fine art!!) that's up to you..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibSinCity Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 is there a band performing at the moment that are better than metallica live?...i don't think so I'm assuming he meant "Metal" band. SABBATH is HEAVY' date=' but JUDAS PRIEST is METAL.[/quote] What? Metallica & Judas Priest. I've seen `em both. Then and now. And IMO Judas Priest blows them away. Judas Priest has nothing left to prove as a Heavy Metal band. That's why they can take chances without worrying about what's commercial, or popular. They just did a concept album based on Nostradamus. A gutsy, ballsy move that Metallica probably wouldn't dare try even when they're finally around as long as Priest has been. Look, I like Metallica. I grew up in the Bay Area. I've seen `em in clubs, theaters, arenas, and stadiums. But, to say that there's no better Metal band playing live these days is a tall order as long as guys like Priest(Along with others) are still making records and touring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Cliff Burton died = Metallica died This is only my opinion and I'm not here to influence anyone but nothing compares to the early stuff. Early Metallica blows Megadeath away. Megadeath is m/>.<m/ ...but Metallica in the Cliff days was like...Mozart. Metallica without Cliff is like...a shadow. I'd sooner see Megadeath now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Robot Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 I am not a metal fan, but I respect the key leaders. What I do know, is that anyone with the right amp and effects can sound sh$t hot to most people for a few gigs, if they know how to impress and get the settings right. It does not mean that they are talented. The key, is rhythm, timing and melody. Nothing has changed in music history. All the legends have that, including the good metal artists. The exception is the ones that achieve this using computer technology, because they cant sing in key, nor do they have any rhythm or melody in their bones. Live - Thats when the fakers get found out, metal or non-metal. Thrash metal?.....Anyone can fake that - it is true TRASH Just my views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brundaddy Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Cliff Burton died = Metallica died This is only my opinion and I'm not here to influence anyone but nothing compares to the early stuff. Early Metallica blows Megadeath away. Megadeath is m/>.<m/ ...but Metallica in the Cliff days was like...Mozart. Metallica without Cliff is like...a shadow. I'd sooner see Megadeath now. Burton had a hand in the 'sound' & songwriting (he was a HUGE Thin Lizzy fan' date=' and it came through in the tunes). But Justice still had that consistent Metallica edge they were known for. The driving force behind their shift in style was firing Flemming Rasmussen and selling out with Bob Rock. Whoever said "but they didn't sound like Crue did they?" misses my point. They hired Rock with the express intent of handing him the reins and abandoning all stylistic/creative/artistic backbone they had in order to [u']sell records[/u] and sell records only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibSinCity Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Cliff Burton died = Metallica died This is only my opinion and I'm not here to influence anyone but nothing compares to the early stuff. Early Metallica blows Megadeath away. Megadeath is m/>.<m/ ...but Metallica in the Cliff days was like...Mozart. Metallica without Cliff is like...a shadow. I'd sooner see Megadeath now. Burton had a hand in the 'sound' & songwriting (he was a HUGE Thin Lizzy fan' date=' and it came through in the tunes). But Justice still had that consistent Metallica edge they were known for. The driving force behind their shift in style was firing Flemming Rasmussen and selling out with Bob Rock. Whoever said "but they didn't sound like Crue did they?" misses my point. They hired Rock with the express intent of handing him the reins and abandoning all stylistic/creative/artistic backbone they had in order to [u']sell records[/u] and sell records only. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swleary Posted March 24, 2010 Author Share Posted March 24, 2010 I look at things this way and I hope I'm not getting to mushy for everyone k. As people we grow, our music grows with us, our lives change and we become better people. Metallica has only grown as a band and has not stayed in the creative rut that some bands are still in....I didn't name any so no jumping on me just yet lol. If a true a metallica, AC/DC, Megadeth fan etc. can not grow with the band then maybe it's time to look elsewhere for your musical pleasure. This is only my point of view I'll be a true Metallica fan until the day I die.....could be tomorrow lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector Arcadius Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Dream Theater?Important metal band? What books are you reading? Trying to re-hijack the thread ( to Scott!)' date=' I don't think that DT have been appreciated to the proper extend...yet. They're about 20-30 years ahead of theit time. They have changed Metal for ever. But we're not gonna see that for the time being... Remember that Black Sabbath were only copied by bands like Candlemass in the early... 1990's! Well, progress and understanding of a breakthrough takes time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibSinCity Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 I am not a metal fan' date=' but I respect the key leaders. What I do know, is that anyone with the right amp and effects can sound sh$t hot to most people for a few gigs, if they know how to impress and get the settings right. It does not mean that they are talented. [b']The key, is rhythm, timing and melody. Nothing has changed in music history. All the legends have that, including the good metal artists.[/b] The exception is the ones that achieve this using computer technology, because they cant sing in key, nor do they have any rhythm or melody in their bones. Live - Thats when the fakers get found out, metal or non-metal. Thrash metal?.....Anyone can fake that - it is true TRASH Just my views. http://www.woodytone.com/2010/03/17/are-lessons-a-waste-of-friggin-time/#more-1724 "So who didn’t take formal lessons on guitar? Just about everyone we to this day idolize: virtually all of the English pioneers, Jimi, SRV, EVH, Ace, Billy Gibbons, the Young brothers – pretty much all of the classic rockers on the categories list at right. All the blues musicians too, even “younger” guys like Joe Bonamassa. (I say younger because, unlike BB King, Muddy Waters, etc., Joe certainly had access to formal lessons if he’d wanted them.) On the flip side you have schooled musicians like Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, John Petrucci and others (Rhoads somewhat) who do have their own styles – but when it comes to groundbreaking and pioneering playing, bands and tones, those hyper-schooled guys are in the minority. Most of the axe-slingers we idolize to this day basically learned on their own. Now, in saying that I’m well aware that they learned by copping licks aurally and/or visually; by jamming with people; and maybe by a neighbor or whoever showing them a bar chord. And some might have had a solid musical foundation elsewhere (e.g, piano). But when it came to making their mark on the guitar world, it was all ears and eyes – mostly ears. No formal teaching. No scales, modes, inversions, whatever. These guys didn’t need no stinkin’ lessons – they had ears! "Those guys learned time, groove and feel before they learned their ‘over the top’ chops. The converse seems to be the norm nowadays" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector Arcadius Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 And for the rest of the thread, Judas Priest (always in my opinion...) issued some really disgraceful material during the 80's. Keeping the 2nd best guitar duet in the history of metal in 3-4 minute songs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swleary Posted March 24, 2010 Author Share Posted March 24, 2010 Trying to re-hijack the thread ( to Scott!)' date=' I don't think that DT have been appreciated to the proper extend...yet. They're about 20-30 years ahead of theit time. They have changed Metal for ever. But we're not gonna see that for the time being... Remember that Black Sabbath were only copied by bands like Candlemass in the early... 1990's! Well, progress and understanding of a breakthrough takes time...[cool'] Oh Hector......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 I am not a metal fan' date=' but I respect the key leaders. What I do know, is that anyone with the right amp and effects can sound sh$t hot to most people for a few gigs, if they know how to impress and get the settings right. It does not mean that they are talented. The key, is rhythm, timing and melody. Nothing has changed in music history. All the legends have that, including the good metal artists. The exception is the ones that achieve this using computer technology, because they cant sing in key, nor do they have any rhythm or melody in their bones. Live - Thats when the fakers get found out, metal or non-metal. Thrash metal?.....Anyone can fake that - it is true TRASH Just my views. [/quote'] Trash....thrash metal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brundaddy Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Trash....thrash metal? Yeah I thought I'd let somebody else straighten that point out -- I'd just like to point out that Metallica's 'Death Magnetic' might be the most colossal venture into faking thrash. Anyway ... Demoon? Does thrash=trash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Yeah I thought I'd let somebody else straighten that point out -- I'd just like to point out that Metallica's 'Death Magnetic' might be the most colossal venture into faking thrash. Anyway ... Demoon? Does thrash=trash? Well alot of Thrash is trash. Trust me...ive heard some bands from the 80s....damn... Though there is alot of good thrash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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