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How about a P-90 WITHOUT the "Hum?"


charlie brown

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I love my Casino! Period! BUT...that annoying hum

is something ALL of us, could do without...wouldn't you agree!

 

So, WHY can't Epiphone (or Gibson..since they invented the P-90)

take some time and resources, and refine it, to sound just like it does,

but without the hum?! P-100's are nice (great, even), in their own right, but they're

not P-90's, in tone. Surely with all the interest and even fanatic love,

at times, for P-90's, they could come up with one, that is silent, like a

humbucker! There's got to be a way.....

 

Any ideas, thoughts?

 

CB

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Yeah, I wondered about those, Ian...but, as you said, they're not available as "aftermarket" replacements...YET, anyway.

Maybe Gibson will DO that? I hope so, especially if they're as good as I have read. It just seems strange, to me...

that after all these "decades," and the well known "hum" drawbacks, Gibson would have addressed that issue, sooner?

Who knows...maybe "digital" recording made it more of an "issue" than it was, already? I sure love the tone, and growl

of P-90's, but never liked the noise!

 

CB

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Has anyone actually played an H-90 equipped guitar? Do they actually

sound like P-90's? If so' date=' that could well be, the answer?

I haven't even seen one, yet! Have to drive a minimum of 100 miles,

to any music store, that "might" have one in stock!

 

 

CB[/quote']

Played? No, sadly.

Seen youtube video preformed with one and compared to one using a P-90 on same song? Yes.

I think the mids aren't all there, but I can tell the difference between a noiseless and normal strat pup, too.

The bite is there, growl little less, but it's not optimum conditions to test.

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My Valensi does not have that Casino hum. So maybe it is the P94s or the solid block in the Valensi cancelling some of it out. My 2 Casinos don't make a noise that bothers me as it is masked in recording anyway, but they are the most hum producing of all my electric guitars. My J160E makes the most noise of all my guitars.

 

Also found out at band pratice the other night that my Peavey amp can predict phone calls. My bandmate has a new Nextel and before it rings my amp crackles. My old tube Fenders no problems. I'll learn to deal with a crackling amp that can predict phone calls and I won't worry about my Casinos P90s hum. I look at it as that is part of what makes it a Casino.

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Oh..are P-94's hum cancelling? I didn't know that...

Of course, I haven't been able to hear any of those, either!

Being out in the "Sticks," does have it's drawbacks!

 

I have a Gibson "Faded" Double Cut Les Paul, that I'd love

to put H-90's in, if they are quiet! It's the noisiest guitar I own...

even worse than my Casino...and it's been shielded! Not bad, reasonably quiet, straight...

but with distortion...WOW! Talk about HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

 

CB

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Oh..are P-94's hum cancelling? I didn't know that...

Of course' date=' I haven't been able to hear any of those, either!

Being out in the "Sticks," does have it's drawbacks!

 

I have a Gibson "Faded" Double Cut Les Paul, that I'd love

to put H-90's in, if they are quiet! It's the noisiest guitar I own...

even worse than my Casino...and it's been shielded! Not bad, reasonably quiet, straight...

but with distortion...WOW! Talk about HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

 

CB[/quote']

No, P-94s are just humbucker sized.

And terribly voiced. At a boutique price.

 

 

Well, I doubt even with the premium gibson charges for its pups, they H-90s won't be $1300 bucks each, so it's not cheaper to buy the BJA for the pups.

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Yeah, I didn't think they were noiseless. I have heard widely differing opinions, on their tone...

some say "brittle" and harsh...other's love it! So..??? "Horses for courses," I guess?

I suppose, if I get really "fed up," with the noise, I can go ahead and put either P-100's, and live

with the differences, or maybe even some GFS Mini-humbuckers?! (In the Double cut, NOT the Casino!)

Casino stays, "as is," unless the H-90's will be available in the near future, and in a "dog ear"

version. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

CB

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I don't get a lot of hum, but I get a lot of feedback from surrounding electronics with my Casino.

 

When I'm recording guitars, I can do my acoustic or my Strat in the same room as the mixer - two feet away, even. When I want to record my Casino, someone else has to do it, because I can't be any closer than ten feet or I get nothing but feedback. I had that problem with my amp, but never to that scale.

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Pohatu...Have you tried styrofoam, or a blown up balloon, inside your guitar...to minimize the feedback? I know it sounds crazy, but it works....or will help, at least. And, they're both removable, too. I think someone makes an "F" hole baffle, too...similar in function, to the round hole ones, for acoustic guitars. Just some ideas...

 

CB

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Well, Fender's 'noiseless' pickups use the exact same strategy as the P-100, i.e. two coils, one stacked on top of the other and hooked up in series out of phase. And they don't sound quite 'right' either. Has anyone ever tried the SD stacked P-90?

 

I think it's a question of two mutually exclusive goals. Basically, to get rid of the hum, you have to turn the pickup into a humbucker... at which point it's going to start sounding like a humbucker.

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Well' date=' Fender's 'noiseless' pickups use the exact same strategy as the P-100, I-i,e, two coils, one stacked on top of the other and hooked up in series out of phase. And they don't sound quite 'right' either. [/quote']

+1 on that!

 

My opinion (for whatever it's worth) is that if you want the "tone" of a classic P-90, it's gonna have some hum, just like Fender single coils. It's a part of the deal. You either live with it, or move on to something that is quieter, but doesn't sound the same.

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My Fender Strat has Vintage Noiseless pickups in it' date=' and I quite like them. When I bought it, it went headstock-to-headstock with a Highway One, and I felt it beat it in sound and looks.

 

And price, too.[/quote']

Highway Ones have low-grade pickups... not much better than the Alnicos in a Squier. Although I think they've upgraded them lately.

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Well, I know this to be true! But, with all the inovations, and neat pickups that exist today, I was just hoping, Gibson (or SOMEONE)

would figure out at way to have the best of both worlds...P-90 tone, and no noise! LOL! "Pipe dream," I guess?

Guess I'll just "live with it!" I have for this long...LOL!

 

CB

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No' date=' P-94s are just humbucker sized.

And terribly voiced. At a boutique price.

 

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Well I like them in the Valensi, and it doesn't hum like my 2 Casinos. I don't know about the hum cancelling though.

 

My Valensi sounds like a very articluate 335, very similar to my Riviera with Duncan minis.

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