JohnMcClane5000 Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Hi, I have a F*nder Twin Reverb 100 Watt amp and I have a question. I had bandpractice had my trusty Twin Reverb with me. I played my trusty Epi Casino. So far so good. But my amp was beaten to death by a phony belony Line6 non-tube amp! Can someone explain to me why that little sh*t amp was louder than my Twin? The sound out of mine came out quite thin even though I set it on "quite loud"... Is there some way to lower the headroom of the amp? Cause I'm quite happy with it and I just don't want another one. Help please, even if this hasn't much to do with epiphone (even though I mentioned my Casino...) Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiberna Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 what the hell, leave line6 alone! they make bloody good amps. Look at a flextone III, so far ive convinced everyone that its a valve amp because it sounds so good. i mean mine is 60Watt but it cuts threw 180W valve bugera perfectly well. anyway, ignoring my little ***** fit about your complaint about line6, if its got a line out put it in the pa and that will give you the added volume you need. if its only got a phones, your gonna have to mic it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMcClane5000 Posted January 18, 2009 Author Share Posted January 18, 2009 Thanks for the reply. It's got nothing to do with the line6, but with the fact that my amp has too much headroom and not so much punch for my taste. I've heard once that I could disconnect two of the four output tubes which would reduce the headroom, making it more Deluxe Reverb-like (more punch and boost). Anyone an idea how I should do this? Cause I'm not a technician and I don't want to break the amp in any way... Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaMidnite Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I hate to beat a dead Horse to death ,But I'm an advocate for THD Yellow Jackets So you can run El 84's and get that tube Drive I think your after.It safely cuts you power down almost half .A Lot of people are putting it into your kind of amp Do a web search on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaMidnite Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Sorry double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiberna Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 didnt really give you the best of replys but anyway...... im not sure really. i just suggested put it into an pa so you can leave that lin6 guy in the dust with pure volume but still. Sadly im not familiar with fender amps im afraid, ive never had a look at a lot of combos but i know quite a bit about heads. So i cant help you with your much needed presence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eracer_Team Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 A solid state amp will run clean up to the point of it starting to clip... depending on the manufacturer they might give you rms or might give you maximum wattage. I have seen some old Traynor solid state amp's (like a TS100)rated at 100watts but by the time the unit was fully staturated into clipping it was almost 200watts. Also when was the last time you changed you tubes and had the bias' setup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiberna Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I have seen some old Traynor solid state amp's (like a TS100)rated at 100watts but by the time the unit was fully staturated into clipping it was almost 200watts. Thats madness! yeah my flextone is the same, i push it at 10 for most gigs and its never distorted. infact my flextone has never lost any of its sound or quality, its a great amp because it sounds exactly like most valve amps! shame it doesent have a line out. bad design by line6. Its got midi in and out though which means you can A)edit the sounds precisely like a pod connect it some lights that work off midi and watch it dance as you beat out some huge riffs. C) connect a 2nd flextone to it and watch as your sound comes out of anougher flextone! ive seen people hook up 5 in a circuit and its mind blowing! thats enough bragging from me. but i use my amp for a whole truck load of sounds so i needed a versitile amp. if was a big blues and classical rock player id probably get a fender because thats what they're awesome at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrirlupus Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 well, you could swap all the tubes for high rated groove tubes and replace the speakers with some eminence speakers that are described as "loudest" ... (is there one speaker or more than one? i'm not familiar with... well... any amp...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrirlupus Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Hi' date='I have a F*nder Twin Reverb 100 Watt amp and I have a question. I had bandpractice had my trusty Twin Reverb with me. I played my trusty Epi Casino. So far so good. But my amp was beaten to death by a phony belony Line6 non-tube amp! Can someone explain to me why that little sh*t amp was louder than my Twin? The sound out of mine came out quite thin even though I set it on "quite loud"... Is there some way to lower the headroom of the amp? Cause I'm quite happy with it and I just don't want another one. Help please, even if this hasn't much to do with epiphone (even though I mentioned my Casino...) Nick[/quote'] and btw, usually tubes with higher distortion will not be as loud... but i guess you're not looking for loud-ness? lower rated tubes then... or maybe a quieter speaker? idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaMidnite Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 First off lets stop the madness about who the loudest is ....Who really cares, it's about tone and value of the sound you are trying to get across.and as far as a SS sounding like a valve amp ,I don't think so,Played a JTM45 or Bassman lately Their is no way a SS is going to saturate like Valve Period .So if I'm ranting so be it .Oh yea go ask Eric C , Joe P ,Billy G But really the whole idea is to get the sound from your head to the Guitar to the amp isn't it?Not who can play the loudest . Done, I feel better now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaaarky21 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 yeah my flextone is the same' date=' i push it at 10 for most gigs and its never distorted. infact my flextone has never lost any of its sound or quality, its a great amp because it sounds exactly like most valve amps! shame it doesent have a line out. bad design by line6. Its got midi in and out though which means you can A)edit the sounds precisely like a pod connect it some lights that work off midi and watch it dance as you beat out some huge riffs. C) connect a 2nd flextone to it and watch as your sound comes out of anougher flextone! ive seen people hook up 5 in a circuit and its mind blowing! thats enough bragging from me. but i use my amp for a whole truck load of sounds so i needed a versitile amp.[/quote'] FlexTone III's have XLR outs, don't they? Run those into a PA if you are worried about no line out. The Line 6 Spider II that I used to own had a "phones/line out" but it truly was a headphone jack so plugging anything into it muted the speaker. Good for headphones, bad for line out. It was a decent amp though - 75 watts, 12" supposedly-Celestion speaker, POD amp models and effects - all for just $300 at the time. Good bang for the buck but eventually I decided the Epiphone Blues Custom was more up my alley. My only real gripes with the Spider II were: - There was just one knob for modulation effects and one for delay effects. Since there was just one control, you couldn't really just adjust effects the way you should be able to - just "how much" of that effect you wanted. Do FlexTones give you more than one control for individual effects? You know, like speed, depth and regen for modulation. - The volume could jump quite a bit while switching presets and amp models. Definitely be careful touching those knobs while playing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cGil Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Cheese Louise! What's all the sweat over "no line out"??? Puhlease! You can whip one of those up in less than an hour with Rat Shack parts. I made one from a project box, couple of resistors, two pots (line level and cab sim (aka vol & tweed tone!)), three jacks (from-amp, to-speaker, and DI-out). Works great! I'm currently using it to feed a chorus and delay pedal for other amp's. Oh yeah, and uh... TUBES RULE! They get your fingers connected through the strings straight to the speakers. Digital can't touch that. If you can't play yer amp, you been played! Gil... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eracer_Team Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Oh yeah' date=' and uh... TUBES RULE! Gil...[/quote'] I agree, but each one has its usuage. The first question he asked was "why did the Line6 blow away my F*ender?" to which tubes and bias'ing is a question... plus the speakers are valid too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMcClane5000 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 okay, to make this endless discussion an end. The loudspeakers are 2xJBL 12" Speakers (they're supposed to be the best for a twin). I don't have a PA, or let's say it like this. I won't have my 100 watt tube amp miked up because that would make my band-fellas lough out loud. To the one who said "stop the "who-is-louder-sh**!"", If I can't hear myself play then what's the use? At the moment I really regret having bought this amp... even though it's been a dream come true to play it alone.... Thanks to the others for your advice... Sincerely Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender 4 Life Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Twin Reverbs USED to be more about tone than volume........ I've not played a newer model, has this changed? How does it sound with Humbuckers? Do you still have the origional 90's in your Casino? I used to LOVE the Twinverb model on my Vox Valvetronix amp, but, its malfunctioned and going back to GC........for now i'm back to a Marshall......which sounds GREAT with my Sheraton II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMcClane5000 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 Twin Reverbs USED to be more about tone than volume........I've not played a newer model' date=' has this changed? How does it sound with Humbuckers? Do you still have the origional 90's in your Casino? I used to LOVE the Twinverb model on my Vox Valvetronix amp, but, its malfunctioned and going back to GC........for now i'm back to a Marshall......which sounds GREAT with my Sheraton II[/quote'] It's a 1975 Twin Reverb "Silverface" Original P-90's? I have a Korean-made Casino... So I don't think they're that original (they're Korean, right?)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eracer_Team Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Well Nick there seems to be some discrepancy on how much power a F-nder Twin Reverb actually puts out. So lets say between 85~100watts but is that a ‘clean’ rating? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Twin_Reverb I would think that as you max out to 10 on the dial you'll be really getting some smooth overtones that the Line6 couldn't do. Next you don't say what Line 6 was involved.. they have a Spider III 150 which puts out 2x 75w=150w. So if your Twin was up against it... I could see why you had problems... Also when was the last time anyone has seen a PA system made of tubes? Most PA's at solid state not just for reliability but for clean power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMcClane5000 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 I think you don't really understand my problem. It's not that I want to "overdrive" my amp... That would be ridiculous, because the moment you overdrive such an amp (Fender Twin Reverb) eveything around you will have been destroyed (Windows, Houses, Neighbour's cat, your ears, and so on). I just don't want as much headroom as I have at the moment. I want the sound to be more significant, not really louder, but more "there"... you understand? Thanks Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eracer_Team Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 But my amp was beaten to death by a phony belony Line6 non-tube amp! I guess I am confused... but okay... are you looking for some sort of power scaling so your neighbours cat doesn't go deaf? google power scaling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layboomo Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 If you are looking for a warm bluesy tone (4) 6l6 tubes and a pair of JBL's is about the least likely place to find it in a tube amp! That amp with those speakers is a setup for high headroom clean tones....and it excels at that. To get it to breakup well it has to be insanely loud and even then you need a boost pedal to get it to where I like it. TOO FRIGGIN'LOUD! You can try a set of yellow jackets as mentioned to cut the power,but the JBL's are going to remain pretty shrill sounding IMHO. They are Great speakers for certain things.....but a lower gain blues tone ain't one of em. An output attenuator wil cut the headroom but if your sound is thin to begin with it's only gonna get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaMidnite Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Well spoken Layboomo,JBL's are good Maybe not for this application . I play in a seven piece band and my BC cuts right through [Clue] It ain't from the volume .First get your amp off the ground so you can hear it .Maybe try different speakers[ Weber's] I hear they work fantastic in this amp.Work on your tone more so than volume ... It has been said {It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiberna Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 FlexTone III's have XLR outs' date=' don't they? Run those into a PA if you are worried about no line out. The Line 6 Spider II that I used to own had a "phones/line out" but it truly was a headphone jack so plugging anything into it muted the speaker. Good for headphones, bad for line out. It was a decent amp though - 75 watts, 12" supposedly-Celestion speaker, POD amp models and effects - all for just $300 at the time. Good bang for the buck but eventually I decided the Epiphone Blues Custom was more up my alley. My only real gripes with the Spider II were: - There was just one knob for modulation effects and one for delay effects. Since there was just one control, you couldn't really just adjust effects the way you should be able to - just "how much" of that effect you wanted. Do FlexTones give you more than one control for individual effects? You know, like speed, depth and regen for modulation. - The volume could jump quite a bit while switching presets and amp models. Definitely be careful touching those knobs while playing![/quote'] i dont have the plus or XL which doesent have the xlr out nor the extension cab options =(. about the one knob for the mods and delays yes and no. on the flextone there is only one knob for each however, if you plug it into your computer via a midi cable, you can edit every detail about it, attack, speed, whatever. Just like a pod. and as for the volume jumping, your going to have to just configure your amp properly so that non of your settings go louder then you need them to. for instance you might want a channel used for rhythm to be quieter then your lead channel. you really would be very very surprised how good these amps are. Id take mine everywhere but the problem is its just too big to take on the bus anywhere. Ive had alot of excuses but the best one has to be, "Sorry it weighs too much so wastes fuel thus ruining the enviroment. Sorry." damn hippys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shartom Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I had a similar problem a few years ago. I went out and bought a DOD fet preamp pedal. One control. I plugged my Tele into the pedal and set the volume up about 1/3. I set the amp on around 4, and controlled the volume using the guitar. The amp got a lot fuller, more in your face type of sound. I wasn't into overdrive back then. I have two of the preamps now and use them in my acoustic chain as well as in my pedal board to keep the sound from getting muddy due to the loading of the pedals. Another thing you can do is replace the 12AT7 in the phase splitter to a 12AX7. That's the tube just befor the output tubes. (V6) It has more gain that the 12AT7 and will give you a bigger sound. I had to get rid of my Twin due to it's weight. JBL's made it a killer to carry. Castor made it worse. Wish I still had it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaMidnite Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 That's funny about the bus .Good idea about the comp reconfigure, SS do have their place I use them i the studio some times When the sound engineer is looking for something different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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