joef Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Hi. I'm new here, but i frequent many of the other forums online: tgp, ibanez, hc etc. I was wondering what the experts think about this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=390035836445 it has a three-screw truss rod cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floydpink7 Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Woah nelly... I'm no expert. But that headstock logo looks... like a blind guy drew it. haha Welcome to the forums. There's plenty of experts and friendly guitar guys here that are glad to help out and talk guitars :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefferySmith Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 The "wood" grain looks very much like the Ibanez Artcore that I donated to my church. Is that really wood under there? If so, what kind of wood? I was expecting to see, well, you know, XYLEM. If you don't like the guitar, you can buy his 41/100 of a carat diamond ring for $1,000. Or buy an African safari for $3,000. How much is the shipping on an African safari? If he would just sell me some erotic dreams for $5,000, I'd bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joef Posted March 8, 2009 Author Share Posted March 8, 2009 Thanks guys. I'm on the lookout for a MIJ Sheraton, I guess you can tell by my post. So this thing is a fake one, huh? Oh well. My search continues. Glad to be on board! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floydpink7 Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 If you don't like the guitar' date=' you can buy his 41/100 of a carat diamond ring for $1,000. Or buy an African safari for $3,000. How much is the shipping on an African safari? If he would just sell me some erotic dreams for $5,000, I'd bite.[/quote'] Yeah, that guy looks real legit... Maybe you could make a request at the trading post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 I've played one of those, and it's very legite.... And it's one hell of a player... I may buy it if it stays at a reasonable price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLesPaul2006 Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Im not sure but that Epiphone inlay on the headstock looks like an Epiphony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joef Posted March 8, 2009 Author Share Posted March 8, 2009 here's a comparison between the one for sale (right) to a real vintage Sheraton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricochet Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 That is a pretty convincing wear on the metal parts. Logo looks allright to me. But I'm not a sherri-expert. The 2 versus 3-screw TRC is concerning tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floydpink7 Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Wow... well I'll be damned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joef Posted March 8, 2009 Author Share Posted March 8, 2009 That is a pretty convincing wear on the metal parts. Logo looks allright to me. But I'm not a sherri-expert. The 2 versus 3-screw TRC is concerning tho. Well, the other thing that's concerning is the crack at the neck joint. Even if it's real, it might have structural issues. I've emailed the seller about that, but that was before I really got down to examining the headstock. Screw it. I'm not bidding. This thing will be someone else's. I'm kinda set on sunburst anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsideMan Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 I don't want to sound like a moderator here, but I hope everyone takes determinations of fakitude in these discussions with a grain of salt. I'm not saying all of the opinions and input aren't valuable--they are. Some guitars, like some of the fake LPs I've seen discussed here, are pretty obviously fake. But, given the EXTREME variability of Epiphones over the years and between countries and manufacturers, it can be REALLY difficult to say for certain that some guitars are fake. That being said, I think it's valuable for someone who is really GASsing to receive the notes of caution that they get on this forum, lest they get taken while in a state of altered consciousness and vulnerability. (BTW, I think THIS note of caution also extends to people asking how a particular model's neck feels. I know Gibson's models have varied over the years and, in theory, their control should be more constant than Epiphone's. So, listen to recommendations, but please play the guitar yourself to be sure.) I now get down off of my soap box. ;-) Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronte Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Hi. I'm new here' date=' but i frequent many of the other forums online: tgp, ibanez, hc etc. I was wondering what the experts think about this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=390035836445 it has a three-screw truss rod cover[/quote'] I'm really not sure why there's any question here. The auction guitar is a 1983(September) Matsumoku-made(Japan) Epiphone Sheraton. It appears to be 100% legitimate and actually in exceptional condition with a market value of between $750-$850. It might be prudent for some of you "experts" to actually know something in depth before setting forth to determine its veracity..... Bronte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I'm really not sure why there's any question here. The auction guitar is a 1983(September) Matsumoku-made(Japan) Epiphone Sheraton. It appears to be 100% legitimate and actually in exceptional condition with a market value of between $750-$850. It might be prudent for some of you "experts" to actually know something in depth before setting forth to determine its veracity..... Bronte Lets be a little careful here. Though I'm in agreement with you this guitar is legit, we must be open to other opinion's on the contrary, especially when dealing with items that are listed on Ebay. All opinions are welcomed, and we will not be suppressing any opinions, no matter how strong your convictions may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AS90 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Thats a Matsumoku Sheraton. Very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender 4 Life Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 It looks great............probably sounds great too, I'm not sure thats a crack @ the neck joint (a definite dealbreaker) AND, are those just horiffic scratches on the top, or is it a cracked spot about to cave in? I'm with Duane V on this one........if its mechanically ok, i'd LOVE to have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Looks just like any early-80s Japanese Sheraton I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joef Posted March 9, 2009 Author Share Posted March 9, 2009 are any of you guys leery of the neck crack? i'm waiting on a response from the seller that i'll happily share w/ the board. but the seller DOES have 12 negs in the last year, that's one a month...regardless of the amount of goods he's sold, that's quite a bit. and most of his goods are harley davidson boots, not vintage guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefferySmith Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I'm really not sure why there's any question here. The auction guitar is a 1983(September) Matsumoku-made(Japan) Epiphone Sheraton. It appears to be 100% legitimate and actually in exceptional condition with a market value of between $750-$850. It might be prudent for some of you "experts" to actually know something in depth before setting forth to determine its veracity..... Bronte Epiphone didn't use serial numbers in 1983? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpfan Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I'm really not sure why there's any question here. The auction guitar is a 1983(September) Matsumoku-made(Japan) Epiphone Sheraton. It appears to be 100% legitimate and actually in exceptional condition with a market value of between $750-$850. It might be prudent for some of you "experts" to actually know something in depth before setting forth to determine its veracity..... Bronte Hey ease up on the coffee and take a valium or something. Theres no need to be so rude to some of the members here. Everybody here is trying to HELP. Please show a little bit more courtesy next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I was a bit put off by members being so quick to dismiss it as a fake based on features on modern Sheratons. Ric at least admitted that he wasn't an expert, which I feel is important if you're going to judge someone's instrument. That said, with more research, there seem to be variations even among 1983 Sheratons - a Google image search shows me two- and one-screw truss rod covers. If you look at the screws, the two at the bottom match, the top does not. This leads me to believe that the owner may have, at some point, replaced the truss rod cover with a more recent version, and had to add a screw. If I had done it, I would have arranged the screws the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSDx Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I'm really not sure why there's any question here. The auction guitar is a 1983(September) Matsumoku-made(Japan) Epiphone Sheraton. It appears to be 100% legitimate and actually in exceptional condition with a market value of between $750-$850. It might be prudent for some of you "experts" to actually know something in depth before setting forth to determine its veracity..... Bronte Strong first post .... welcome to the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefferySmith Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I was a bit put off by members being so quick to dismiss it as a fake based on features on modern Sheratons. Ric at least admitted that he wasn't an expert' date=' which I feel is important if you're going to judge someone's instrument. That said, with more research, there seem to be variations even among 1983 Sheratons - a Google image search shows me two- and one-screw truss rod covers. If you look at the screws, the two at the bottom match, the top does not. This leads me to believe that the owner may have, at some point, replaced the truss rod cover with a more recent version, and had to add a screw. If I had done it, I would have arranged the screws the same way.[/quote'] I missed whatever seemed to be consensus that the guitar is a fake. The seller gave me some reason for concern in that he is a professional ebay seller (of other people's items) and they are rarely acquainted intimately with what they are selling. I thought that the apparent lack of a serial number was troubling, but the seller was looking for it in the wrong place. I see that there is one on the headstock. Whatever, I didn't think anyone stipulated that is was a fake, only that there were some questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 It looks real to me. I doubt that's an aftermarket tr cover.. I'd bet, without knowing, they just changed from three to two screws at some point. It really seems legit to me. The neck crack 'seems' to be rather ok repair wise.. the finish matching probably the worst of it. TWANG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP_CS336 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Hi. I'm new here' date=' but i frequent many of the other forums online: tgp, ibanez, hc etc. I was wondering what the experts think about this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=390035836445 it has a three-screw truss rod cover[/quote'] Guys, I don't know if this guitar is fake or not (as some of you have pointed out there are variances in the Epiphone Sheraton headstock based on the year that it was made and the country it was made in). The one thing that caught my eye though is the color. I've never seen a burgundy colored Sheraton before. And if you look closely at the back of the headstock and neck, down to where it's set at the body, you can see underneath the finish that it has the 3-piece maple Sheraton II neck rather than the mahogany one piece necks that were use on the Japanese made Sheratons or Elitist Sheratons. Just an observation on that and I think the guitar looks re-finished (someone else mentioned a possible neck break). You can see that he shows the original pickguard and knobs (The new knobs are the black witchhats with silver caps...I like those; I have them on my Les Paul...with the marker points. That adds class). So he may have refinished his guitar from the way it originally was. The other wear and tear on the metal parts looks normal; so it's hard to tell if the paint job was just a personal choice of color change or to hide some cosmetic problems with the guitar. This is E-bay or as someone else intimated E-fake. Since you really can't try it out without buying it, I'd stay away from this one no matter how pretty it looks. JMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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