Casino4Life Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Ok I am new to the forum, and am having problems with my '05 Korean Casino staying in tune, and figured what a better place to go that an Epi forum. I was thinking of having Grover Rotomatics put on, those seem to be the right choice for Casinos, does anybody have any other suggestions? '05 Epiphone Casino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsForrest Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 As a noob to these forums myself, I'll share what I have learned. Tuners are seldom the root of tuning problems. Even crappy tuners normally hold tune just fine if used right. More common problems are the nut, over-wrapping the strings and improper intonation. The nuts on these guitars are typically not great. The strings can stick in them in slots that are cut too deep or too narrow. When stringing the guitar, try not to have more than about two winds on the tuners. If the intonation is off, it can be in tune when fingering near the nut but be out of whack on the high frets. Not that there's anything really wrong with swapping out tuners, I put Schallers on my Casino, it just is likely not to cure your tuning problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjtalon Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Lubricate the nut slots with graphite (even pencil filings) or Teflon lube. BUY GOOD STRINGS and like Its mentioned the string to peg procedure is paramount ! Locking the strings !! http://www.wagonermusic.com/stringhowtoforweb1.jpg http://www.guitarchordsmagic.com/how-to-string-a-guitar.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad1 Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 As a noob to these forums myself' date=' I'll share what I have learned. Tuners are seldom the root of tuning problems. [b']Even crappy tuners normally hold tune just fine if used right. [/b]More common problems are the nut, over-wrapping the strings and improper intonation. The nuts on these guitars are typically not great. The strings can stick in them in slots that are cut too deep or too narrow. When stringing the guitar, try not to have more than about two winds on the tuners. If the intonation is off, it can be in tune when fingering near the nut but be out of whack on the high frets. Not that there's anything really wrong with swapping out tuners, I put Schallers on my Casino, it just is likely not to cure your tuning problems. I agree with everything you said, except one point. If you have old, "crappy tuners", then they will often need to be replaced. As older tuners begin to wear out they begin to increase something called "backlash". Backlash is the amount of freeplay felt when a peg is turned in the opposite direction before the string post starts moving. You want to ultimately have "0" backlash. You also want to make sure the posts don't move without turning the tuning key. This of course can change the pitch. If you bend strings a lot this can make a guitar go out of tune easily. These worn out tuners are usually on older model guitars. But I have found some really cheap, NEW guitars that had such "crappy" tuners that I changed them right away because the guitar wouldn't stay in tune for 5 minutes. After the tuner change the guitar played great. But I have to say Mr. ItsForrest, for a newb, you seemed to have learned pretty fast around here, and you gave a pretty good answer as well. I just thought I would add my dos cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 epi tuners aren't going to have backlash for a long time. but that's a good point. You see this a lot on open geared tuners that have age on them. the cog get dirty.. the dirt is actually crunching away at the metal in the shaft and the cog and it wears it right out. if you have open gear tuners.. clean those suckers. you can feel the slop on some tuners, even when new. another common thing is guys don't stretch the strings out.. they all give quite a bit when new.. pull up at the neck pup.. and around the 8th fret or so.. on each string.. tune.. repeat.. tune.. repeat.. that ought to do it for the newness. just pull an inch or two.. TWANG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digger Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Strange I have a Korean Casino and the tuners are terrific. Mine is "U" '06 model....I do prefer the bigger ones however. I have replaced the plastic nut with a bone nut and it even stays in tune nowadays. Dig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 The Kluson tuners on my 1970 ES-330 have no backlash. My 2001 Casino has Grovers. I had tuning problems on all my guitars until I found about about putting pencil lead in the grooves of the nut while re-stringing. I got this advice from the customer service rep at Gibson/Kramer when I had my Kramer/Focus guitar. BTW, I use D'Addario strings. Insights and incites by Notes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jusjamroc Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Personally I would say that the tuning pegs that come with the standard Epiphone casino's don't hold a tune that well. especially if you play a lot of bends. I have tried everything, i have tried various sets of strings, i have made sure that the intonation is well set and have fitted big bends nut sauce. I think that the standard model tuning pegs are simply not very well made, and have a bit of slack in them. Haven just recently brought a new PRS acoustic that has PRS tuning pegs that are really well made and tight. I can notice a massive difference in how the PRS keeps its tuning when compared to the Epi Casino. I believe it is definitely the tuners. So I would say replacing the tuners would really be useful for people who like to have their guitar stay in tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 A point of consideration is what year what model of Casino you have as they came with different tuners.. Epiphone Wiki / Casino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I've had 50 year old Gibsons with original Tuners & no Tuning issues... I agree that it's likely something other than the Tuners.. Strings, Nut, Graphite, Intonation, etc. Correct everything else first... Then Tuners as a last resort... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkMakai Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 I just swapped my Cort/Manson Matt Bellamy MBC1 for a 2021 Epiphone Casino Coupe. I love the Coupe, except for needing to tune every morning. The Cort never, ever, ever fell out of tune within a week - even after hard playing. I was worried, until I read that this is a common complaint. Considering all the things to love about the Epi, I suppose it‘s a small price to pay… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinch Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, MarkMakai said: I just swapped my Cort/Manson Matt Bellamy MBC1 for a 2021 Epiphone Casino Coupe. I love the Coupe, except for needing to tune every morning. The Cort never, ever, ever fell out of tune within a week - even after hard playing. I was worried, until I read that this is a common complaint. Considering all the things to love about the Epi, I suppose it‘s a small price to pay… Do you stretch the strings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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