NeoConMan Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 KC Police Fire at Backfiring Van Fri, Nov. 12, 2010 Two Kansas City police officers who thought they were being shot at from inside a van returned fire Thursday night. Only later did police realize that the van was actually backfiring and the man inside was not armed. He was not injured by the shots fired by police. Windows of the police car were apparently shot out by the officers as they exited the patrol car. The officers were dispatched on a report of shots being fired from a white van just before 6 p.m. Thursday on Gregory Boulevard near Interstate 435. When the officers got to the area they saw a white van parked on Gregory and pulled up near it. As they were getting out of the patrol car they heard the backfiring and fired their weapons. Police are continuing to investigate the incident. Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/11/12/2425221/kc-police-fire-at-backfiring-van.html#ixzz158kXjLHh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versatile Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 A salutory tale indeed :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryUK Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 The van must have been an old banger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner 13 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 every cop should only get one bullet...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted November 13, 2010 Author Share Posted November 13, 2010 What about us collectors/sport shooters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californiaman Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Sounds like a month of desk duty might in store for the bumblers. That and the shame of being the laughing stock of the entire department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted November 13, 2010 Author Share Posted November 13, 2010 That's one of those things I've discussed for YEARS in the various chemical or power plants I've worked in. The politically correct thing (supposedly to avoid liability) is to scrub all the names and details from official reports. When the report is distributed, you can't even figure out what the hell happened. FxCK that. Leave 'em in there if it's something that happened in public, with public employees. If those cops have trouble living it down - GOOD! If they cannot accept their mistakes and do their job to the best of their ability, let 'em go. Admitting you goofed, then explaining how it all went down is very instructional to all your peers. Aviation is the ONLY area I know of that sanitizes very little from their reports on accidents. You might not know the name, but you'll usually know the facts when the FAA is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky scott 29 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Sorta makes you wonder if it even happened at all? It is such a Barney Fife story.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted November 13, 2010 Author Share Posted November 13, 2010 I dunno. Got no reason to doubt it myself. Found it on a news website. Included the link. I'm no fan of urban legend bullsh!t for exactly the reason you state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 ... Aviation is the ONLY area I know of that sanitizes very little from their reports on accidents. You might not know the name, but you'll usually know the facts when the FAA is done. That's just it. The FAA don't own the planes, nor employ those involved. Here's a red letter day, NeoConMan is giving the thumbs up to a government entity, the feds, no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Truth be told NeoConMan, It's been a long, long time since I've heard a car backfire. Don't know if'n it has to do with the advent of the Cadillac converter or EFI, but I think the current engine designs have pretty much eliminated backfiring. It could be the cops never heard a car backfire, exspecially if they have more hair on their head than their ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Looks like they need backfiring vs. gunshot sound training now too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanMan Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Seems to be mostly at KansasCity.com, but here's a more detailed account by Tony Rizzo of the Kansas City Star, complete w/ picture http://www.kansascity.com/2010/11/12/2427505/backfires-from-broken-down-van.html Truth IS stranger than fiction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted November 16, 2010 Author Share Posted November 16, 2010 Truth be told NeoConMan, It's been a long, long time since I've heard a car backfire. Fuel injection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 "After Kansas City police shot at Phillip Ransom’s van, it was left with bullet holes and a shattered rear window." I only see on bullet hole, well that and the shattered rear window. Actually it appears to be a side window. Was the reporter even IN KC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Speaking of aviation and backfires, you should hear one coming from a jet engine. We had the #2 engine back fire repeatedly in Daharan Saudi Arabia. When I stepped off the plane I had several automatic rifles pointed at my head. :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted November 18, 2010 Author Share Posted November 18, 2010 Speaking of aviation and backfires, you should hear one coming from a jet engine. Spent 5 years running a quartet of General Electric 7FA gas turbines in a power plant. The more I learned about those massive beasts, the more I appreciated the flying ones built so lightly. Ours weighed 400,000 pounds before the generator was coupled to them. Turned only 3,600 rpm. Made 640,000 gross shaft horsepower 24/7/365 - with only three turbine sections. (17 stages in the compressor) A flame-out would shake the earth. I remember talking to old SR-71 guys about what was euphemistically called an "unstart" at altitude... Seen pictures, heard stories about aviation turbines destroying themselves. Amazing that there's ANYTHING left of the wing, let alone the turbine - considering their speeds and tolerances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Speaking of aviation and backfires, you should hear one coming from a jet engine. We had the #2 engine back fire repeatedly in Daharan Saudi Arabia. When I stepped off the plane I had several automatic rifles pointed at my head. :huh: Shouldn't a et them beans on the flight eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Didn't a commercial passenger liner just shuck an engine last week? What little I saw of it on TV surprised me the wing was still intact! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Spent 5 years running a quartet of General Electric 7FA gas turbines in a power plant. The more I learned about those massive beasts, the more I appreciated the flying ones built so lightly. Ours weighed 400,000 pounds before the generator was coupled to them. Turned only 3,600 rpm. Made 640,000 gross shaft horsepower 24/7/365 - with only three turbine sections. (17 stages in the compressor) A flame-out would shake the earth. I remember talking to old SR-71 guys about what was euphemistically called an "unstart" at altitude... Seen pictures, heard stories about aviation turbines destroying themselves. Amazing that there's ANYTHING left of the wing, let alone the turbine - considering their speeds and tolerances. I crewed on the KC-10s, they have three General Electric CF6-50C2 engines. Very reliable engine. We never could figure out what was wrong with that engine while we were in Saudi. It ended up getting replaced. I was told that the fire balls were very impressive. Oh man the SR-71 was an awesome bird. I had the pleasure of seeing one take off in RAF Mildenhall. One moment it was on the hammerhead, and in the next moment it was gone. All that was left was was a the largest roar I ever heard along with a small earthquake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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