GIANTRobOT42O Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Yeah dude that TP was sick. It went pretty quick too. I'm seriously thinking about gettin a bunch of her kits and make somethin super fat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted March 20, 2011 Author Share Posted March 20, 2011 I WILL get one of those Pagoda TPs. Yeah it sold really fast. I bought my El Cap like half an hour after the guy posted it. Gotta be quick. Are you planning on making a fat combo pedal or individual ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Okay, back in the olden days you mostly just had guitars and amps to mess with, but... I keep hearing "gear, gear, gear," and darned little on "technique." I find it both interesting and yet hard to understand. In other threads "we" all have agreed that give famous guitarist "X" any decent guitar and/or amp/guitar/equipment combination, he/she still will sound like themselves. So... is anybody concerned about technique other than to do what they think some famous folks are doing? I notice First Measure's note talks about "his own sound," and although he uses some "gear" to get "his" sound, he also speaks strongly about his own technique. I use a multi-effect pedal too, but it's largely to thicken the sound of the light strings I prefer - excluding the Leslie emulator I've used in group gigs to do B3 type parts. Just some thoughts, guys. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjay777 Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Never heard of the Hoof. Interesting name. lol Nothin wrong with getting gear your favorite artists have, but doesn't mean they will suit you well. I've found that out a few times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Never heard of the Hoof. Interesting name. lol Nothing wrong with getting gear your favorite artists have, but doesn't mean they will suit you well. I've found that out a few times. I'm probably most guilty, and as you stated I have ran into the "doesn't mean they will suit you well" situation.... My RR LPC is a great example. I was 16 years old with $1200 in my pocket and I just purchased the guitar without even playing it, but when I got home and started noodling on it, I found it very difficult to play and basically the guitar was shelved for 20 plus years. One thing about sig or limited gear offerings, is they have features you normally wouldn't find in standard options... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted March 20, 2011 Author Share Posted March 20, 2011 Okay, back in the olden days you mostly just had guitars and amps to mess with, but... I keep hearing "gear, gear, gear," and darned little on "technique." I find it both interesting and yet hard to understand. In other threads "we" all have agreed that give famous guitarist "X" any decent guitar and/or amp/guitar/equipment combination, he/she still will sound like themselves. So... is anybody concerned about technique other than to do what they think some famous folks are doing? I notice First Measure's note talks about "his own sound," and although he uses some "gear" to get "his" sound, he also speaks strongly about his own technique. I use a multi-effect pedal too, but it's largely to thicken the sound of the light strings I prefer - excluding the Leslie emulator I've used in group gigs to do B3 type parts. Just some thoughts, guys. m Well for example I said I got the Hoof to imitate Dan Auerbach of the Black Keys. When I play their songs I fingerpick as close to Dan's technique as I can. If there's one area where I have practiced poor technique and formed a lot of bad habits it's fingerpicking. But hey it sounds good and feels right to me so I don't care. I think it's just the nature of this forum to mainly talk about gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted March 20, 2011 Author Share Posted March 20, 2011 Never heard of the Hoof. Interesting name. lol The Hoof is sweet. Check it out. http://www.earthquakerdevices.com/devices/hoof.htm None of those demos are very good though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Another point to me... When I was a "kid" - as in, up to my 50s - and even now, other than web purchases, I just don't have access to a lotta "stuff." My guitars and amps in the old days were pretty much what I could afford for what I was doing - then a lotta swapping but never with more than "general type" in mind. Who else played whatever didn't mean much to me then or now. I dunno. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duende Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Another point to me... When I was a "kid" - as in, up to my 50s - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted March 20, 2011 Author Share Posted March 20, 2011 Yeah but I mean how would you even know what gear people used other than seeing bands live? Obviously I wasn't around at the time but... Now there are all kinds of forums and magazines that to give us GAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Where I lived back in the 50s, 60s, 70s... You mostly knew what people were playing by album covers and tv. At least, that's what you thought they were playing. So... Then a lot depended on what was available where you lived. A buddy came back from back east, Connecticut, I think, and had two Ricks one fall. Sheesh. There were some Fender amps, and I got my DR because it was loud enough. That's pretty much it. It was what I could find and what met the need. That's probably part of why I did so much guitar swapping, 'cuz I really found it hard to find a guitar that was comfortable and did what I thought I needed. Dumping the orange Gretsch and the Hagstrom 12 probably were pretty stupid, but frankly they're the only swaps I reeeeeeeally regret. Various electronic add-ons never really were a big deal for me. My first A-Es were, but again, they were what was available. The big change for me wasn't even so much moving around the country or traveling for work; it was the Internet and web "mail order" sites. Nowadays, if I were to become suddenly far better off than I am in economics terms, I dunno what I'd do because I don't really care to buy a guitar I haven't played. But wanting a guitar like Chuck Berry or whomever never really was an issue. I wanted a 12, I could find a 12 that I could afford... I got it. (That's before the Byrds, btw.) m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Yeah but I mean how would you even know what gear people used other than seeing bands live? Obviously I wasn't around at the time but... Now there are all kinds of forums and magazines that to give us GAS. YEP...that's the main goal! Commerce! The more GAS they generate, the less satisfied the consumer is, with what he'd got, already...as great, and worthwhile as it might be, and...the better for their "economy!" Selling, is...obviously, the ultimate goal. Keep us wanting that new "bigger & better!" But, of course, it's not just the music instrument business....it's SOP in America. We're a consumer based economy. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted March 20, 2011 Author Share Posted March 20, 2011 Oh yeah CB. I definately realize that. And I have to say it's pretty effective. Milod I'm definately in a time where I have a lot of that kindof information and in a place were I can get the goods easily. Definately a bad situation for my wallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Oh yeah CB. I definately realize that. And I have to say it's pretty effective. Milod I'm definately in a time where I have a lot of that kindof information and in a place were I can get the goods easily. Definately a bad situation for my wallet. Yeah, Dub...I (really) wasn't trying to overstate the obvious. But, I need to remind myself, of this, whenever the "GAS" hits! These forums generate more GAS, than over-ripe Sour Kraut, on a Saturday night. ;>) And, that's a LOT! LOL CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted March 20, 2011 Author Share Posted March 20, 2011 Haha yeah. We are all a bunch of adicts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Yeah... Me too... I've a cupla guitars - Epis - I probably wouldn't have without Gassing on this forum. <grin> OTOH, at the time I joined there were some personal options to consider too that really made me consider "guitar" priorities. While this sorta forum seems to increase GAS, frankly I'm not sure that it doesn't simply add possible choices for a guitar player's natural GAS to get to. For example, "in the day," I'd have been more likely to look at saving up cash for this or that big thing, a guitar or amp or PA - but now there are more $50-$100 sorts of things that attract a lotta folks - as in stomp boxes, replacement pickups, etc. I'd just say that it seems to me that "We" have to consider more what it is that we're truly likely to use in our pickin' and do more prioritizing. For example, why get a $125 stomp box if you've only got a practice amp and hope to be playing out? Why not get the bigger amp, then consider a stomp box - which inevitably will be somewhat different in sound than with the smaller amp. Bottom line is that there's more and better "stuff" out there, but that mostly means "we" simply have to be a bit smarter in what we spend our cash on. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Exactly. And, I for one, have been sorely disappointed in several "botique" (expensive) stomp-boxes, that ultimately didn't sound any better, or do any thing more, than my trusty old "Blues Driver," does. Didn't have a chance to "test drive" them, as I live hours away, from the nearest GC or my favorite dealer, so I took a chance, and did the MF thing. That's NOT to say, there aren't good, "expensive" or otherwise, botique effects, out there. I have a few, that I really love, too. But, ironically, One of my favorite "dirt boxes," at the moment, is one of Boss's oldest, and least expensive...The DS-1. So, yeah, being more diligent, in choices, is always a good idea....IF/When you can. ;>) CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted March 20, 2011 Author Share Posted March 20, 2011 I agree milod. CB what stomboxes have you been dissapointed with? I'm not one of those people that just hates Boss but I have to say I can't stand the DS-1. There are a lot of things I just don't like about Boss pedals in gereral but they have a few cool pedals. I also don't think more expensive = better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I agree milod. CB what stomboxes have you been dissapointed with? I'm not one of those people that just hates Boss but I have to say I can't stand the DS-1. There are a lot of things I just don't like about Boss pedals in gereral but they have a few cool pedals. I also don't think more expensive = better... A couple of Keeley pedals, and A Fulltone, one, as well. It wasn't that they were bad, at all...just not "so much better," that they had to cost that much. I think that was my "disappointment." But, live and learn. However...I DO like the Fulltone Fulldrive, that I have. And, too...it's all in what one wants, and/or expects, in a pedal. Maybe my expectations, are much less, than other's? I'm not really a "pedal" freak, anyway. I only use them, now and then, as the song might dictate, or...in the case of an OD pedal, because I cannot run the amp, at it's sweet spot, volume wise. I'm not saying that "Boss" pedals "rule!" Or, any such silly thing. But, I like the one's I have. It's interesting, too...that other's have either "Loved" or "Hated" the DS-1. LOL One described it, as "Thin and fizzy!" That is NOT a description, I would ever use, for that pedal. Maybe mine's different, or his was faulty? Who knows? But, again...it may be his perception vs my percieved need, too? ;>) CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Whilst still young (and poor!), I fell completely in love with the o-o-p Strat tones produced by the likes of Knopfler, Clapton and JJ Cale. I wanted to achieve that sound. By the time I had saved up enough for my first 'proper' guitar the 'Vintage' market was yet to appear and so it was I could buy a pre-CBS Strat and achieve that goal. Best decision I ever made. P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duende Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I think that it is quite a logical process to start with a sound you have heard from a musician you admire and then go from there.The difficulty (and breaking of the shackles) is being brave enough from this point, to question the sound you have. i.e. what would I do with this sound to make it more you? That goes for playing too - For example when you hear someone's interpretation of a piece, if you think deeply enough, there are lots of bits you will pick up on and think 'I wouldn't phrase that bit like that' etc I think this is a good healthy thing and not to be mistaken for arrogance, as you are saying you can play it 'better', but rather analysing it, so you can put your own creative stamp on it. The danger of buying signature gear and becoming so involved in what the artist would do/how he/she would play etc, is you miss out on the most fun thing about music which is celebrating bring unique! After all we all are!!! Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krock Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Cant say I've ever done it but thaqts probably because Im still young. I believe that instead of buying loads of pedals which sound like amps but never quite the same, you may aswell buy the real thing. It'll be much cheaper in the long run. Thats why I really want a silver jubilee. Although, Joe Bonamassa is a huge influence on me, maybe thats why I want it. Im not sure if its because I want to sound like him or because I just really love the sound of the amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted March 21, 2011 Author Share Posted March 21, 2011 Cant say I've ever done it but thaqts probably because Im still young. I believe that instead of buying loads of pedals which sound like amps but never quite the same, you may aswell buy the real thing. It'll be much cheaper in the long run. Thats why I really want a silver jubilee. Although, Joe Bonamassa is a huge influence on me, maybe thats why I want it. Im not sure if its because I want to sound like him or because I just really love the sound of the amp. You know who has lots of pedals? Joe Bonomassa. How is buying amps cheaper than buying pedals? That's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojoRedFoot Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Haha yeah. We are all a bunch of adicts. and enablers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FarnsBarns Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I don't think I've ever bought anything with another musicians name on it other than 2 Les Pauls. I've never owned any stomp boxes, I do have a cry baby and a Zoom modeler but I only bought that to use as a headphone amp and have only really used it in that capacity. I hardly ever use the cry baby either. I have three guitars right now. A Dobro and an R6 that I play and an €piphone Sheraton that had 10 year old strings on it (5 of them) until a few weeks ago when I was without my R6 for a while. If you have the right guitar and the right amplifier everything else is really just icing. Now icing is great as long as it's on a great cake. I teach/have taught a few friends, cousins, nephews etc to play guitar and there are some rules. They are not allowed to use effects (reverb excepted) until they can tell me exactly what piece of music they are going to use it for and why. They are not allowed a tuner until they can tune their guitar using a pitch pipe. They are not allowed strings lower than .010 until they can effortlessly, and accurately bend 1.5 tones around the 12th and then vibrato the bend. I think in today's instant gratification society, these measures help a begginer build the foundation before they get caught up in the must have pedal with some outrageous tones that make them think they sound good with power chords and a pentatonic scale under their belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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