gotomsdos Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Hi, friends here ! Just got a J45 TV, but super high action and suspicious tiny gap between soundhole and fretboard.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buc McMaster Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Buy them according to the string gauges you will use on the guitar, which means you should settle that issue first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Buy them according to the string gauges you will use on the guitar, which means you should settle that issue first. Like Buc says. The individual nut files should match the gauges of the individual strings you intend to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedzep Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Hi, friends here ! I'm buying a set nut files, but don't know what exactly gauges are suitable for J45 TV nut. One of friends here told that stewmac.com may be the best for nut files, so I visited it, got: ==== Standard widths: .010" thru .056" ==== Is this also suitable for J45 TV ? And exactly how wide (inch) are 6 gauges for 6 slots ? There's no access to seller responsibility or is it too much hassle to complain? It should, as others have said, be professionally set up because the string angle from nut to saddle as it relates to the fingerboard isn't something you can 'eye up'. I've done it 2 or 3 times but it was dumb luck. I feel for you, man. I'd be so pissed if I had to screw around with this after dropping a couple grand expecting to pick it up and play easy. You may want to shop around for a suitable replacement nut in case you crack the original or miscalculate filing depth. Maybe you can find one cut to comfortable specs that would just swap out and get you a usable string height. File toward the soundhole and have a garbage string or several to use at each increment to check for buzz..or excessive height. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotomsdos Posted March 2, 2012 Author Share Posted March 2, 2012 Like Buc says. The individual nut files should match the gauges of the individual strings you intend to use. All of 6 nut slots are shallow, cause too high actions at first fret (needless to say high frets actions), string 6 action is the highest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del Nilppeznaf Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Goto, have you done anything like this before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotomsdos Posted March 2, 2012 Author Share Posted March 2, 2012 Goto, have you done anything like this before? I only ever sanded saddle and filed bridge pins. I have no way out, returning it will cost me big money (double shipping fee and a tariff), give trouble to seller, and there is no qualified luthier, repairman and techman around me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParlourMan Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Can you take some pics so we can see it? If we can see the nut up close perhaps people can give you a better idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madman_Greg Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I suggest reading this from another forum http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=766160&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=365&fpart=1#766160 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedzep Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I suggest reading this from another forum http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=766160&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=365&fpart=1#766160 Thanks for that. Informative. Useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhanners623 Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 If you haven't already, make sure to check out some of Frank Ford's pages on nuts: http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Musician/GenSetup/Nuts/nuts1.html and http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Luthier/Technique/Setup/SetNut/setnut.html If you haven't done so already, Ford's page is one you should have bookmarked. You can learn much of what you need to know about guitars and how they are built and how they are repaired: http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/pagelist.html As much as I like reading Ford's pages, though, I'm reminded that there are very few repairs or "tweaks" on a guitar that I'd want to do myself. Leave it to the professionals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del Nilppeznaf Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Goto, I'm feeling for ya man... to wait a long time for delivery then cost of returning. You are in a bit of a jam. But I'm worried for you too. Just take a look at the link Madman_Greg gave ( great magazine/site by the way ) this is no straight forward job for the un-experianced . If there is no luthier or tech around to help you..what if it goes wrong.. worst case scenario you may damage your new J45 TV. Post some pic's please and let people here guide you on best advice. I'm not too sure but if all the strings are too high it may be better to sandpaper the bottom of the nut to lower it slightly.. using fine grade sandpaper and a truly flat surface. Be careful though, I once did this and took too much off leaving the high E rattling! good luck . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotomsdos Posted March 2, 2012 Author Share Posted March 2, 2012 Thank you all folks providing articles ! I'm reading them... I'm just planning to file the nut slots a little down, not remove the nut which is not my plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson101 Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 This will be interesting. Msdos you need to take some pics of before and after, I think you are in over your head but at the same time if you go VERY slow I think you can pull this off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madman_Greg Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 just a thought but can you buy locally a cheap throw away acoustic to learn how to do this we don't need to see a Gibby messed up on here please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotomsdos Posted March 3, 2012 Author Share Posted March 3, 2012 we don't need to see a Gibby messed up on here please Thank you, but No, no messing up. It's 2.5K guitar, It doesn't seem I'm rubbishing a 2.5K. I'll take huge care and patience to do it like cleaning my eyes, read enough tech articles.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 A similar situation here – just got a neck I want to put on a guitar, but found out it would be best to replace the nut on this thing also. So I'm Sherlock'ing back and forth for the right piece of black Tusq at the moment. Intend to find a fitting nut before sending the neck'n'guitar to the luthier. I see why you would be a bit frustrated, but no real harm in your camp. Make sure the nut you get is right then see if you can manage yourself. Hardest part will be to take off the old. Do some web-research and don't hesitate to ask before buying (I'm sure you won't). Go Gently Gotomdos - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotomsdos Posted March 4, 2012 Author Share Posted March 4, 2012 Hi, folks here Not only too high string height at nut, but also is its neck relief too high, I'll measure these heights after I receive my purchase of measurement tools. And more, there is a big pitch issue with the guitar. After I tune 6 strings to STD pitch, I find that there is a bit big difference between open note of string 1 and string 2 note at fret 5, etc...and so are almost all 6 strings (two of them are very obvious). these differences are very easy to listento, which makes chord A disharmonous, feel it's out of tune. So now I'm leaning to not make some setup to my new J45 TV, just keep it original, and return it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedzep Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Hi, folks here Not only too high string height at nut, but also is its neck relief too high, eyes told me it's over 1 mm (string 6 action at fret 1 is about 1.7-1.8 mm), I'll measure these heights after I receive my purchase of measurement tools. And more, there is a big pitch issue with the guitar. After I tune 6 strings to STD pitch, I find that there is a bit big difference between open note of string 1 and string 2 note at fret 5, etc...and so are almost all 6 strings (two of them are very obvious). these differences are very easy to listento, which makes chord A disharmonous, feel it's out of tune. So now I'm leaning to not make some setup to my new J45 TV, just keep it original, and return it. I'm with you on this. Like a new car with it's alignment off. You take it back 'til they get it right. I'll be curious to see what the retailer comes back with when you explain your position. Best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedzep Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Hey...if I'm not prying, where do you live? You make it sound like there are absolutely no musician resources available in your region. Too bad. A good luthier could set this guitar up for less than a hundred bucks here in the US. Maybe it's worth shipping it 'in country' to your nearest big town music shop, after you develop a phone relationship with them. Just grasping at possibilities in my sympathy for your situation, Gots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParlourMan Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I think he lives in China. Even still I would imagine the nearest large city would have some type of luthier.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I knew this was going to happen. Now we're being asked for advice on what brand sandpaper to use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotomsdos Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 I knew this was going to happen. Now we're being asked for advice on what brand sandpaper to use? Oh, thank you, coz of too high nut string height and too high neck relief, I'm leaning to returning it. I ordered nut files and sandpaper, but I'll use them on other cheap guitars after receiving them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Oh, thank you, coz of too high nut string height and too high neck relief, I'm leaning to returning it. I ordered nut files and sandpaper, but I'll use them on other cheap guitars after receiving them. Gotomdos I'm sorry to hear about that. but It's your money and you are clearly not satisfied . maybe if you upload photos of the nut we can be of better help . JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotomsdos Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Gotomdos I'm sorry to hear about that. but It's your money and you are clearly not satisfied . maybe if you upload photos of the nut we can be of better help . JC Oh, Thank you, stuff like action doesn't seem to be clearly seen on a pic, but I'll measure all heights after I receive a bit pro measurment tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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