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#121 User is offline   Buc McMaster 

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 06:31 AM

View PostAllie, on 29 May 2017 - 06:02 AM, said:

Let me see if I understand the general consensus of this guitar...........


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Posted 29 May 2017 - 07:22 AM

 Allie, on 29 May 2017 - 06:02 AM, said:

Let me see if I understand the general consensus of this guitar. We now seem to pretty much all agree, other than myself...and my tech that has the guitar...that at some point in the guitars life the neck was removed by an unknown butcher(or more than just one?)and a few shims where placed in the dovetail joint, put back on and then the finish was touched up to the point that it equaled Gibsons original finish? if that was indeed the case, which I have every reason to doubt, the butcher should stick to finishing work. I know the crack in the side was a result of the tech removing the neck by putting pressure on th SM removel tool.I also know that it would be impossible to know that the neck joint had anything other than hide glue holding it on, which anyone would expect the neck to release when the threshold temp was achieved, this was clearly NOT the case. I also know with a near 100% degree of certianty that the neck had never been off of the guitar. Which leads me to believe this neck came from the original builder with the neck joint in the condition my tech discovered it. I also have every reason to believe this is a genuine Gibson guitar. I have held the guitar in my hands...a Lot...my tech has also had the guitar in hand..I respectfully disagree with the assesment here that the neck has been off the guitar, before this instance.

Essentially, it's all about one man and his guitar and his repair person. The rest of us may believe as we do, and you have the exact same prerogative. As Buc says, if you're satisfied, that's really all that matters☺
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Posted 29 May 2017 - 09:32 AM

I couldn't agree more [thumbup]
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Posted 29 May 2017 - 11:33 AM

View PostAllie, on 29 May 2017 - 06:02 AM, said:

Let me see if I understand the general consensus of this guitar. We now seem to pretty much all agree, other than myself...and my tech that has the guitar...that at some point in the guitars life the neck was removed by an unknown butcher(or more than just one?)and a few shims where placed in the dovetail joint, put back on and then the finish was touched up to the point that it equaled Gibsons original finish? if that was indeed the case, which I have every reason to doubt, the butcher should stick to finishing work. I know the crack in the side was a result of the tech removing the neck by putting pressure on th SM removel tool.I also know that it would be impossible to know that the neck joint had anything other than hide glue holding it on, which anyone would expect the neck to release when the threshold temp was achieved, this was clearly NOT the case. I also know with a near 100% degree of certianty that the neck had never been off of the guitar. Which leads me to believe this neck came from the original builder with the neck joint in the condition my tech discovered it. I also have every reason to believe this is a genuine Gibson guitar. I have held the guitar in my hands...a Lot...my tech has also had the guitar in hand..I respectfully disagree with the assesment here that the neck has been off the guitar, before this instance.

From all I've seen and Randy has shown to us in his videos the guitar in great detail, I'm of the firm belief that the guitar came, with all its defects (neck, inside cleats to support broken joint and sides, finish), straight "as is" from the factory.
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Posted 29 May 2017 - 12:45 PM

I have been reading this thread for a while now. I feel bad for Allie, who's guitar has turned into a nightmare. As usual, there are many here making quick and unfair comments about situations they know nothing about. 2 years ago a woman brought me her beloved Guild 12 String, it needed a neck reset. I used the same StewMac steaming tools Randy used, I could not see what he used for the steam, but I used a pressure cooker. Just like Randy's attempt my neck finally came off after some time of steaming and applying the upward force on the heel with the StewMac jig. It finally "popped" and just like Allie's guitar the neck came off and split one of the sides a bit. At the factory, they put the glue in the wrong place, none was on the tenon itself, it was on the part of the neck that meets the body's shoulders. The steam never really had a chance to get to this area and loosen this glue, so some of it was still glued to the mahogany side. It took a while but it was all fixed with very minimal evidence anything went wrong. I worked at Guild in the late 1980's, I was in final assembly, this guitar was from a bit later when Guild had changed hands so many times. Incidentally, I just found out from watching a Ren Ferguson video that Gibson had made a bid on Guild that was rejected. I never knew that. To think that I may have been working there while being acquired by Gibson makes me wonder about what may have been.


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 04:20 PM

To Allie: Were you aware that the repair technician in these videos smokes while working on the guitars? Did yours come back smelling like a casino?
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Posted 26 June 2017 - 06:27 PM

That's one smokin' luthier😄😅
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