Burty459 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Afternoon all, I have been asking around and this also seemed a good place to ask. I just got a Low serial number January 2017 les paul custom standard plain top, but on investigation I found the tenon in the attached photos. any thoughts on this? feels solid, looks awful, but other than that the guitar is a beauty. That joint just doesn’t sit right though. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I bought an SG last year that had a pretty sketchy neck joint. Returned it pronto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 There are metric tonnes of Les Pauls without that "problem". I put problem in quotes because some would say it is not a problem, others, including my great friend and our best guitar guy in three states who passed on last year would tell me to: Send It Back. Good luck. rct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Are you able to return it and do something else? While I don't think it's a deal breaker, it's probably going to haunt you know that you know it's there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) Well we know the same guy that built Burty's built BB's guitar. I don't think Burty's is as bad Double B's. I would keep it. Edited March 4, 2020 by Big Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 32 minutes ago, Big Bill said: Well we know the same guy that built Burty's built BB's guitar. I don't think Burty's is as bad Double B's. I would keep it. I think the one BB had was after a 2 pitcher lunch... THAT was bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 They have more light in the plant now so they can see better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, kidblast said: Are you able to return it and do something else? While I don't think it's a deal breaker, it's probably going to haunt you know that you know it's there. Not to mention the old guy like me using his thickest glasses and good eye will see that. That'll make selling or trading interesting. rct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) Something doesn't look right there. Exactly what model is this supposed to be? You said it's a "custom standard", do you mean Custom Shop Standard, and if so is it supposed to be a R8? The gap between the end of the fretboard and the neck p/u is not right. Also, I don't see nibs. Do have some pics of the front and back of the headstock ? Edited March 4, 2020 by Black Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burty459 Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 4 hours ago, badbluesplayer said: I bought an SG last year that had a pretty sketchy neck joint. Returned it pronto. Wow, THAT came out of a Gibson factory?! That is horrendous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burty459 Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Black Dog said: Something doesn't look right there. Exactly what model is this supposed to be? You said it's a "custom standard", do you mean Custom Shop Standard, and if so is it supposed to be a R8? The gap between the end of the fretboard and the neck p/u is not right. Also, I don't see nibs. Do have some pics of the front and back of the headstock ? This is a 2017 Custom Shop les paul standard plain top, low serial, likely repurposed 2015/16. the gap is apparently a more accurate trait, the plastics etc are all true historic and I have been told that it may be a repurposed plain top true historic from 2015. As it’s early 2017 it’s not part of the production run. Still not right though. Edited March 4, 2020 by Burty459 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyB Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Totally not right. I would return it, if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burty459 Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, RandyB said: Totally not right. I would return it, if possible. Unfortunately I got it used and didn’t notice it straight away, it’s mine now I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Does historic plastic make it sound better. Marketing guys are the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Burty459 said: This is a 2017 Custom Shop les paul standard plain top, low serial, likely repurposed 2015/16. the gap is apparently a more accurate trait, the plastics etc are all true historic and I have been told that it may be a repurposed plain top true historic from 2015. As it’s early 2017 it’s not part of the production run. Still not right though. I've seen lots of R8's from that era and they don't have that gap. Also, the neck binding looks thick, way thicker than a Custom Shop historic. Looks very odd. I'd be interested to see pictures of the headstock (front and back) and the control cavity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burty459 Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Does historic plastic make it sound better. Marketing guys are the best. Yeah, sounds older, the plastic is more brittle, acts more like glass so the vibrations at the higher frequencies transmit from the strings to the body with more ease, ergo, better tonal response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Burty459 said: Yeah, sounds older, the plastic is more brittle, acts more like glass so the vibrations at the higher frequencies transmit from the strings to the body with more ease, ergo, better tonal response. Are you messing with me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Are you messing with me? I hope so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, Big Bill said: I hope so.... I thought so. I do love a good joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burty459 Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, Black Dog said: I've seen lots of R8's from that era and they don't have that gap. Also, the neck binding looks thick, way thicker than a Custom Shop historic. Looks very odd. I'd be interested to see pictures of the headstock (front and back) and the control cavity. Yeah, I have an R9 that is immaculate. That’s a 2008, I thought with these later ones being so well regarded I’d take the pop. Not the best choice or just unlucky, unfortunately it is what it is. I’m going to get the feeler gauges in there shortly to see how deep it goes. it is a custom shop, I’ll try add some more pictures but I need to reduce the file size as it won’t let me add them straight from my phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burty459 Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Are you messing with me? Hahaha yes, of course I am. I don’t buy into all that stuff, I just like to know what’s going on with my guitars and this year in particular seems to have had its fair share of quirks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burty459 Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 6 hours ago, kidblast said: Are you able to return it and do something else? While I don't think it's a deal breaker, it's probably going to haunt you know that you know it's there. Unfortunately not, I think it’s like you say, I know it’s there. Under further inspection, it seems quite long but shallow, I think there is a v shape and it contacts the body rout as it should further down, the other side isn’t so bad, I’m sure there is plenty of wood contact in there, I may just leave it be. I did read that on older instruments and in some cases newer ones, they left a gap for ease of installation, not sure I’m buying that though, I think this just a little sloppy, not as sloppy as the SG though. Looks like an angry beaver set that neck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFord Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Nothing a good dollop of hot hide glue won't cure. Just slather it on there with a trowel if you've got one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) Call Mark he is Head of Brand (I think that is his title) he will sort it all out with his leather jacket on. Edited March 5, 2020 by Sgt. Pepper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burty459 Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 10 hours ago, SteveFord said: Nothing a good dollop of hot hide glue won't cure. Just slather it on there with a trowel if you've got one. I have seriously considered this but have no idea if it’s a good idea or not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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