Mixing politics and music, how do you feel?

[FirstMeasure]

 

We didn't revolt against England for free speech...it was about taxation without representation...we got free speech as the by product.

I'm guessing, but if you asked a group of 20 Minute Men why they were fighting for Independence, you'd get 10 different responses, each represented in the Bill Of Rights, and each summed up in one word......Opression.

[NeoConMan]

Clinton is responsible for NAFTA' date=' right? [/quote']

Both were a joke.

 

 

 

 

But it was Corperate America that Imediatly began outsourcing our industries. Patriotism be damned.

Ever wonder why so many American companies are headquartered in Delaware?

Ever notice that ships are flagged from Liberia or Panama?

Ever wonder why people put money in the banks of Switzerland' date=' The Bahamas or the Caymen Islands?

Favorable business conditions, lower taxation, privacy and security.

 

The Big Government has driven these companies to do so.

I'd be the LAST guy to take my Fortune 500 company abroad, but if the US gov't kept up their sh!t I would finally turn out the lights and get on my Gulfstream jet for greener pastures. And I'll be damned if Obummer is gonna fire MY CEO like he just did with GM.

 

Higher taxes NEVER work, neither do gov't bailouts

Never.

 

 

 

So obviously' date=' the top can't be trusted to trickle down to the American Bottom. [/quote']

Get the gov't out of the way and it will - just like water.

 

 

 

The Middle Class can't outsource' date=' they usually rely on the community in which they live for their livelihood, so it's in their best interest to feed the American Economy. [/quote']

Until you campaign on failure in a successful economy. Scare enough people (starting with the 2006 Congressional race) and sooner or later you'll get the recession you were predicting.

 

People will stop spending due to the fake "bad news" they keep hearing, then guess what?

The economy starts to slow down...

 

The Defeatocrats OWN this economy 100%.

Bush saw the train barreling down the track, knew he wouldn't be in office long enough to fight, so he simply let 'em go.

 

The Defeatocrats took all the rope the American people would feed 'em and hung themselves.

Class envy, White Guilt, and a sense of entitlement clouds the judgement of most Americans.

They can't see the wood for the trees, and Obummer is borrowing a big chainsaw from China in return for free firewood.

[KSG_Standard]

FirstMeasure there were many grievances agains the Brits, but it was Taxation without Representation that drove us to revolt...

 

This time line is drawn largely from the work of Richard B. Morris, in particular his Encyclopedia of American History.

 

1764

Sugar Act. Parliament, desiring revenue from its North American colonies, passed the first law specifically aimed at raising colonial money for the Crown. The act increased duties on non-British goods shipped to the colonies.

Currency Act. This act prohibited American colonies from issuing their own currency, angering many American colonists.

Beginnings of Colonial Opposition. American colonists responded to the Sugar Act and the Currency Act with protest. In Massachusetts, participants in a town meeting cried out against taxation without proper representation in Parliament, and suggested some form of united protest throughout the colonies. By the end of the year, many colonies were practicing nonimportation, a refusal to use imported English goods.

 

1765

Quartering Act. The British further angered American colonists with the Quartering Act, which required the colonies to provide barracks and supplies to British troops.

Stamp Act. Parliament's first direct tax on the American colonies, this act, like those passed in 1764, was enacted to raise money for Britain. It taxed newspapers, almanacs, pamphlets, broadsides, legal documents, dice, and playing cards. Issued by Britain, the stamps were affixed to documents or packages to show that the tax had been paid.

Organized Colonial Protest. American colonists responded to Parliament's acts with organized protest. Throughout the colonies, a network of secret organizations known as the Sons of Liberty was created, aimed at intimidating the stamp agents who collected Parliament's taxes. Before the Stamp Act could even take effect, all the appointed stamp agents in the colonies had resigned. The Massachusetts Assembly suggested a meeting of all the colonies to work for the repeal of the Stamp Act. All but four colonies were represented. The Stamp Act Congress passed a "Declaration of Rights and Grievances," which claimed that American colonists were equal to all other British citizens, protested taxation without representation, and stated that, without colonial representation in Parliament, Parliament could not tax colonists. In addition, the colonists increased their nonimportation efforts.

 

1766

Repeal of the Stamp Act. Although some in Parliament thought the army should be used to enforce the Stamp Act (1765), others commended the colonists for resisting a tax passed by a legislative body in which they were not represented. The act was repealed, and the colonies abandoned their ban on imported British goods.

Declaratory Act. The repeal of the Stamp Act did not mean that Great Britain was surrendering any control over its colonies. The Declaratory Act, passed by Parliament on the same day the Stamp Act was repealed, stated that Parliament could make laws binding the American colonies "in all cases whatsoever."

Resistance to the Quartering Act in New York. New York served as headquarters for British troops in America, so the Quartering Act (1765) had a great impact on New York City. When the New York Assembly refused to assist in quartering troops, a skirmish occurred in which one colonist was wounded. Parliament suspended the Assembly's powers but never carried out the suspension, since the Assembly soon agreed to contribute money toward the quartering of troops.

 

1767

Townshend Acts. To help pay the expenses involved in governing the American colonies, Parliament passed the Townshend Acts, which initiated taxes on glass, lead, paint, paper, and tea.

Nonimportation. In response to new taxes, the colonies again decided to discourage the purchase of British imports.

"Letters from a Farmer in Pennsylvania to the Inhabitants of the British Colonies." Originally published in a newspaper, this widely reproduced pamphlet by John Dickinson declared that Parliament could not tax the colonies, called the Townshend Acts unconstitutional, and denounced the suspension of the New York Assembly as a threat to colonial liberties.

 

1768

Massachusetts Circular Letter. Samuel Adams wrote a statement, approved by the Massachusetts House of Representatives, which attacked Parliament's persistence in taxing the colonies without proper representation, and which called for unified resistance by all the colonies. Many colonies issued similar statements. In response, the British governor of Massachusetts dissolved the state's legislature. British Troops Arrive in Boston. Although the Sons of Liberty threatened armed resistance to arriving British troops, none was offered when the troops stationed themselves in Boston.

 

1769

Virginia's Resolutions. The Virginia House of Burgesses passed resolutions condemning Britain's actions against Massachusetts, and stating that only Virginia's governor and legislature could tax its citizens. The members also drafted a formal letter to the King, completing it just before the legislature was dissolved by Virginia's royal governor.

 

1770

Townshend Acts Cut Back. Because of the reduced profits resulting from the colonial boycott of imported British goods, Parliament withdrew all of the Townshend Act (1767) taxes except for the tax on tea.

An End to Nonimportation. In response to Parliament's relaxation of its taxation laws, the colonies relaxed their boycott of British imported goods (1767).

Conflict between Citizens and British Troops in New York. After a leading New York Son of Liberty issued a broadside attacking the New York Assembly for complying with the Quartering Act (1765), a riot erupted between citizens and soldiers, resulting in serious wounds but no fatalities.

Boston Massacre. The arrival of troops in Boston provoked conflict between citizens and soldiers. On March 5, a group of soldiers surrounded by an unfriendly crowd opened fire, killing three Americans and fatally wounding two more. A violent uprising was avoided only with the withdrawal of the troops to islands in the harbor. The soldiers were tried for murder, but convicted only of lesser crimes; noted patriot John Adams was their principal lawyer.

 

1772

Attack on the "Gaspee." After several boatloads of men attacked a grounded British customs schooner near Providence, Rhode Island, the royal governor offered a reward for the discovery of the men, planning to send them to England for trial. The removal of the "Gaspee" trial to England outraged American colonists.

Committees of Correspondence. Samuel Adams called for a Boston town meeting to create committees of correspondence to communicate Boston's position to the other colonies. Similar committees were soon created throughout the colonies.

 

1773

Tea Act. By reducing the tax on imported British tea, this act gave British merchants an unfair advantage in selling their tea in America. American colonists condemned the act, and many planned to boycott tea.

Boston Tea Party. When British tea ships arrived in Boston harbor, many citizens wanted the tea sent back to England without the payment of any taxes. The royal governor insisted on payment of all taxes. On December 16, a group of men disguised as Indians boarded the ships and dumped all the tea in the harbor.

 

1774

Coercive Acts. In response to the Boston Tea Party, Parliament passed several acts to punish Massachusetts. The Boston Port Bill banned the loading or unloading of any ships in Boston harbor. The Administration of Justice Act offered protection to royal officials in Massachusetts, allowing them to transfer to England all court cases against them involving riot suppression or revenue collection. The Massachusetts Government Act put the election of most government officials under the control of the Crown, essentially eliminating the Massachusetts charter of government.

Quartering Act. Parliament broadened its previous Quartering Act (1765). British troops could now be quartered in any occupied dwelling.

The Colonies Organize Protest. To protest Britain's actions, Massachusetts suggested a return to nonimportation, but several states preferred a congress of all the colonies to discuss united resistance. The colonies soon named delegates to a congress -- the First Continental Congress -- to meet in Philadelphia on September 5.

The First Continental Congress. Twelve of the thirteen colonies sent a total of fifty-six delegates to the First Continental Congress. Only Georgia was not represented. One accomplishment of the Congress was the Association of 1774, which urged all colonists to avoid using British goods, and to form committees to enforce this ban.

New England Prepares for War. British troops began to fortify Boston, and seized ammunition belonging to the colony of Massachusetts. Thousands of American militiamen were ready to resist, but no fighting occurred. Massachusetts created a Provincial Congress, and a special Committee of Safety to decide when the militia should be called into action. Special groups of militia, known as Minute Men, were organized to be ready for instant action.

 

1775

New England Restraining Act. Parliament passed an act banning trade between the New England colonies and any other country besides Great Britain.

New England Resists. British troops continued to attempt to seize colonial ammunition, but were turned back in Massachusetts, without any violence. Royal authorities decided that force should be used to enforce recent acts of Parliament; war seemed unavoidable.

Lexington and Concord. British troops planned to destroy American ammunition at Concord. When the Boston Committee of Safety learned of this plan, it sent Paul Revere and William Dawes to alert the countryside and gather the Minute Men. On April 19, Minute Men and British troops met at Lexington, where a shot from a stray British gun lead to more British firing. The Americans only fired a few shots; several Americans were killed. The British marched on to Concord and destroyed some ammunition, but soon found the countryside swarming with militia. At the end of the day, many were dead on both sides.

The Second Continental Congress. The Second Continental Congress convened in Philadelphia on May 10. John Hancock was elected president of Congress.

George Washington is named commander-in-chief. On June 10, John Adams proposed that Congress consider the forces in Boston a Continental army, and suggested the need for a general. He recommended George Washington for the position. Congress began to raise men from other colonies to join the army in New England, and named a committee to draft military rules. On June 15, Washington was nominated to lead the army; he accepted the next day. To pay for the army, Congress issued bills of credit, and the twelve colonies represented in the Congress promised to share in repaying the bills.

Bunker Hill. On June 12, British General Gage put martial law in effect, and stated that any person helping the Americans would be considered a traitor and rebel. When Americans began to fortify a hill against British forces, British ships in the harbor discovered the activity and opened fire. British troops -- 2,400 in number -- arrived shortly after. Although the Americans -- 1,000 in number -- resisted several attacks, eventually they lost the fortification.

live Branch Petition. Congress issued a petition declaring its loyalty to the king, George III, and stating its hope that he would help arrange a reconciliation and prevent further hostilities against the colonies. Four months later, King George III rejected the petition and declared the colonies in rebellion.

Congress Treats with the Indians. Acting as an independent government, Congress appointed commissioners to create peace treaties with the Indians.

Congress Creates a Navy. Congress began to plan for aggressive action against British ships stocked with ammunition. It authorized the building of four armed ships, and began to formulate rules for a navy. On December 22, Congress named Esek Hopkins commodore of the fledgling American navy. Soon after, Congress authorized privateering, and issued rules for dealing with enemy vessels and plunder.

Congress Searches for Foreign Aid. When a congressional committee began to investigate the possibility of foreign aid in the war against Great Britain, France expressed interest.

 

1776

"Common Sense." Thomas Paine moved many to the cause of independence with his pamphlet titled "Common Sense." In a direct, simple style, he cried out against King George III and the monarchical form of government.

The British Evacuate Boston. American General Henry Knox arrived in Boston with cannons he had moved with great difficulty from Fort Ticonderoga, New York. Americans began to entrench themselves around Boston, planning to attack the British. British General William Howe planned an attack, but eventually retreated from Boston.

Congress Authorizes the Colonies to Write Constitutions. In May, the Second Continental Congress adopted a resolution authorizing the colonies to adopt new constitutions; the former colonial governments had dissolved with the outbreak of war.

Congress Declares Independence. When North Carolina and Virginia empowered their delegates to vote for American independence, Virginian Richard Henry Lee offered a resolution stating that the colonies "are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States." A committee was appointed to draft a declaration of independence, and Thomas Jefferson was chosen to write it. On July 2, Congress voted in favor of independence, and on July 4, the Declaration of Independence was approved. Copies were sent throughout the colonies to be read publicly.

Battle of Long Island. After leaving Boston, British General Howe planned to use New York as a base. The British captured Staten Island and began a military build-up on Long Island in preparation for an advance on Brooklyn. Washington succeeded in saving his army by secretly retreating onto Manhattan Island. Washington eventually retreated from Manhattan, fearing the prospect of being trapped on the island, and the British occupied New York City.

Congress Names Commissioners to Treat with Foreign Nations. Congress sent a delegation of three men to Europe -- Silas Deane, Benjamin Franklin, and Arthur Lee -- to prepare treaties of commerce and friendship, and to attempt to secure loans from foreign nations.

The Battle of White Plains. British and American forces met at White Plains, New York, where the British captured an important fortification. Washington once again retreated, still attempting to save his army from the full force of the British army.

Retreat through New Jersey. Washington and his army retreated across New Jersey, crossing the Delaware River into Pennsylvania. Congress, fearing a British attack on Philadelphia, fled to Baltimore.

Battle of Trenton. On December 26, Washington launched a surprise attack against a British fortification at Trenton, New Jersey, that was staffed by Hessian soldiers. After one hour of confused fighting, the Hessians surrendered. Only five American soldiers were killed.

[Californiaman]

My favorite musician's political rants, positions and leanings, in "no way influence me".

If they want to spew their political crap during my concert experience, it pisses me off. I don't like it. I paid to get entertained, not indoctrinated or or preached at while they extoll the virtues of their favorite politician while railing about another.

I bought Californiagirl a copy of a Dixie Chicks CD back before their political activism, we don't listen to it.

While I do listen to Ted Nugent, because he's a good guitarist, I'm pretty much sick of his mantra too.

Entertainment is what I paid for. Plain and simple.

 

The strange thing about this is I believe we're all guilty of it to some extent. Here we are in the Gibson Lounge talking about musicians and their political beliefs.

 

We see it here all the time.

 

Hell KSG and Bubb aren't talking to each other anymore because of political, social, economic, and religious views.

 

Guilty.

[FirstMeasure]

FirstMeasure there were many grievances agains the Brits' date=' but it was Taxation without Representation that drove us to revolt...

 

This time line is drawn largely from the work of Richard B. Morris, in particular his Encyclopedia of American History.

[/quote']

I'm not disputing that, not at all. I'm just suggesting that History and the official Legal and political reasons that are in the Archives tend to ignore the reasons the Illiterate Foot Soldier was driven to the Mud of the Battle Field, shooting Nails out of his musket because the British Lashed his friend to death for Speaking against the local Governor in the Public Square.

[KSG_Standard]

Sounds like you have a harder time seperating your Politics and Music than the Artist you rail against. Speak your mind and go down for treason? That's the reason we Revolted against England' date=' remember? The First Amendment and all that[/b']....

 

I can only respond to what I read brother.

[FirstMeasure]

 

I can only respond to what I read brother.

That's a little petty, isn't it? I should have said, "One of the reasons..." But I can't believe you think Free Speech was simplly a By-Product of the Revolution.

[NeoConMan]

the Illiterate Foot Soldier was driven to the Mud of the Battle Field' date=' shooting Nails out of his musket because the British Lashed his friend to death for Speaking against the local Governor in the Public Square.[/quote']

You're down to the microscopic level now, overthinking it.

Must be all those SoCal Liberals rubbing off on you.....

:-)

 

 

The man standing right beside him had a personal story too, as did every soldier.

What mattered was the objective - repelling the enemy and establishing freedom and liberty for himself, his family and his fellow man.

 

Don't get too bogged down in the minutae, you'll lose sight of your target.

[FirstMeasure]

You're down to the microscopic level now' date=' overthinking it.

Must be all those SoCal Liberals rubbing off on you.....

:-)

 

 

The man standing right beside him had a personal story too, as did every soldier.

What mattered was the objective - repelling the enemy and establishing freedom and liberty for himself, his family and his fellow man.

 

 

[/quote']

Thank you for restating my point, but I'm not the one overanalyzing it, KSG's the one who said I was wrong about why we had a Revolution against England. And what does the politics of California have to do with anything? Why do you keep playing that Joker Card?

[NeoConMan]

Because the state is full of Jokers - and illegals....

:-)

 

Please don't tell me you think California is normal. All that sh!t 'trickles down' into Arizona and I can't stand it.

Have you ever lived anywhere else?

 

That's the most fxcked up state in the nation by far, only New Jersey and a few other NE states even come close.

 

Sorry, but it's true.

[dem00n]

Did you know snails bite their dicks off to reproduce...

[FennRx]

celebrities are entitled to their opinions...even to use their status to broadcast their views. i dont base my opinions on what mellencamp or ted nugent says....if you do, you're an idiot- left or right.

 

i prefer politics to be in the music itself. RTL, MOP and AJFA by Metallica are heavily political albums and are some of the best music (if you like metal) ever written. surprisingly though, politics is something Lars actually doesnt seem to talk about. lol

[FirstMeasure]

Because the state is full of Jokers - and illegals....

:-)

 

Please don't tell me you think California is normal. All that sh!t 'trickles down' into Arizona and I can't stand it.

Have you ever lived anywhere else?

 

That's the most fxcked up state in the nation by far' date=' only New Jersey and a few other NE states even come close.

 

Sorry, but it's true.

 

[/quote']

Normal? No, there's nothing Normal about living in the 7th largest Economy in the world. Nothing Normal about living in a State that gets the Blame for what's wrong in Arizona. Nothing Normal about having Two Senators represent 36,553,215, while Two Senators from Wyoming represent 493,782. Nothing normal about living in a State Resposible for the Numbers in these reports

 

http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr139.pdf

 

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_state/gsp_newsrelease.htm

 

Oh, and before you get into the Bad Driving Crap. You see more bad drivers from California on the Interstate because theres mre people from California on the Interstate. Arizona has 6,500,180 people, We border each other and we have 30 million more people than AZ, we therefore have 25 million more bad drivers than AZ. BTW, I wen to Vegas a few weeks ago, and the worst Drivers I encountered were from Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas, but that's ok, because they're in unfamiliar territory and driving poorly because of it, I won't blame the State on the Plate.

[myspace.com/jessenoah]

dont you guys know, musicians can see into the future, its called foresight.....

 

 

 

 

[KSG_Standard]

That's a little petty' date=' isn't it? I should have said, "One of the reasons..." But I can't believe you think Free Speech was simplly a By-Product of the Revolution.[/quote']

 

Hey FirstMeasure,

 

I wasn't trying to be petty, and it certainly is not a petty point as to what brought about the revolution. The King of England was TAXING the colonists to death to pay for his wars, and that got the colonists in an uproar. The King then forced the colonists to house British troops in private homes, and then the King tried to take away the colonist's guns.

 

There were colonists that were pissed off about the lack of free speech, but they still said what they wanted to for the most part and wrote what the wanted to anonymously. There were some colonists that were pissed about the lack of religious freedom, but they practiced what they wanted to privately. There were some colonists that were pissed about a lot of things, but it CLEARLY was the heavy handed taxes that drove people to begin the revolution and the anger was compounded by the attempted seizure of the colonist's guns. I am a big proponent of free speech, but that was not the driving factor for the revolution.

 

It's interesting that today, the government is trying to tax the citizens to death again (i.e., Cap and Trade, the Cigarette Tax and the changes to the tax code) and there are a good many in the government today that want to disarm the civilian populace as well....Is it a wonder that so many Conservatives and Libertarians are so pissed off?

[KSG_Standard]

...Oh' date=' and before you get into the Bad Driving Crap. You see more bad drivers from California on the Interstate because theres mre people from California on the Interstate. Arizona has 6,500,180 people, We border each other and we have 30 million more people than AZ, we therefore have 25 million more bad drivers than AZ. BTW, I wen to Vegas a few weeks ago, and the worst Drivers I encountered were from Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas, but that's ok, because they're in unfamiliar territory and driving poorly because of it, I won't blame the State on the Plate.[/quote']

 

 

Come on EVERONE knows that the North Carolina drivers are the worst drivers in the world...

[The Mick]

 

 

Come on EVERONE knows that the North Carolina drivers are the worst drivers in the world...

 

I just learned that is true.

[FirstMeasure]

 

Hey FirstMeasure' date='

 

I wasn't trying to be petty, and it certainly is not a petty point as to what brought about the revolution. The King of England was [b']TAXING[/b] the colonists to death to pay for his wars, and that got the colonists in an uproar. The King then forced the colonists to house British troops in private homes, and then the King tried to take away the colonist's guns.

 

There were colonists that were pissed off about the lack of free speech, but they still said what they wanted to for the most part and wrote what the wanted to anonymously. There were some colonists that were pissed about the lack of religious freedom, but they practiced what they wanted to privately. There were some colonists that were pissed about a lot of things, but it CLEARLY was the heavy handed taxes that drove people to begin the revolution and the anger was compounded by the attempted seizure of the colonist's guns. I am a big proponent of free speech, but that was not the driving factor for the revolution.

 

It's interesting that today, the government is trying to tax the citizens to death again (i.e., Cap and Trade, the Cigarette Tax and the changes to the tax code) and there are a good many in the government today that want to disarm the civilian populace as well....Is it a wonder that so many Conservatives and Libertarians are so pissed off?

You're right, I was just in Heavy Defence mode (Political Def Con 4). It was definitely Taxation without Representation that sent the colonist to the Gun Locker.

 

and I didn't know about the North Carolina thing. a little wieght off the Californian's Back.

[NeoConMan]

California is NOT normal, and pointing to ANY politician out there besides Duncan Hunter is pure folly.

Add to that the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals where the most idiotic rulings are handed down.

It's also the most overturned Court in the nation.

 

 

 

The Left Lane Enigma.

That seems to baffle people with California plates.

 

On the interstate, they drive in the Left lane only.

No matter the speed (45 or 95), weather conditions, traffic levels.

When there are only two lanes to choose from, you'll have to break the law and pass them on the Right.

Then they speed up.

 

I reserve the right to talk sh!t about California - I was born there.

 

Oh, and compare California to Texas as an economic, agricultural, technical and energy state.

You'll be hoping for a San Andreas 'event' to give you an excuse to bow out.

 

The size of California's economy?

Just how healthy is that economy?

They've had economic and revenue issues almost every one of the last thirty years.

Looks pretty bleak out there now....

 

Don't worry, that way of thinking has infected Washington DC like The Plague.

You're no longer alone in fiscal Purgatory, we're all going to hell with you now.

 

California always saw themselves as trendsetters...

[bscott]

Many years ago' date=' I got sick and tired of the all the Hollywood Celebretards spouting off stupid sh!t at awards ceremonies. Wasn't long before the musicians started following suit in the mainstream media.

 

Years ago, when musicians shot their mouth off they were regarded as amusing curiosities by most people.

By the nineties, the media began to give them a soapbox to stand on and people starting listening like they were actually hearing something profound. Clinton was on MTV (boxers or briefs) and we had Rock The Vote.

 

FarmAid became Socialist Propaganda worthy of the Soviets, and then came September 11th.

 

I finally made the choice to boycott any of the musicians who used MY record and concert ticket money to take the stage and then do their best to subvert the nation. Many of them, in my opinion and the definition of the law, are guilty of sedition - a few would have been jailed for treason 50 years ago.

 

Jane Fonda changed all that, the Dixie Chicks made her proud I'm sure.

 

Funny story that you will NEVER hear in the media, about 5 years ago Linda Ronstadt was giving a rare concert in Tucson and she started her rant about Bush and the war. Evidently it brought enough applause to make her [i']think[/i] it was a good idea to continue....

 

Well, people started walking out (lotsa military around there) and found the ticket office was still staffed.

They started demanding their money back en masse.

Yep, that story never made CNN.

(Later I met her nephew in a guitar shop in Tucson, I managed to piss him off real good!!!)

 

 

 

Just for the record, I don't own a single Toby Keith disc, and only two by Ted Nugent that I bought 20 years ago.

 

What does the political slant of your favorite musicians do for you, does it encourage you to buy their product?

 

 

They have as much a right as anyone else to voice an opinion and we have just as much right to ignore or counter their statement(s). Only because the media has developed this cult of celebrity do we hear about what they have to say.

Also - I can think for myself. I can read from different sources about an issue and formulate an opinion. I don't want or need anyone speaking for me.

[KSG_Standard]

 

They have as much a right as anyone else to voice an opinion and we have just as much right to ignore or counter their statement(s). Only because the media has developed this cult of celebrity do we hear about what they have to say.

Also - I can think for myself. I can read from different sources about an issue and formulate an opinion. I don't want or need anyone speaking for me.

 

=D> =D>

[FirstMeasure]

California is NOT normal' date=' and pointing to ANY politician out there besides Duncan Hunter is pure folly.

Add to that the Ninth [b']Circus[/b] Court of Appeals where the most idiotic rulings are handed down.

It's also the most overturned Court in the nation.

 

 

 

The Left Lane Enigma.

That seems to baffle people with California plates.

 

On the interstate, they drive in the Left lane only.

No matter the speed (45 or 95), weather conditions, traffic levels.

When there are only two lanes to choose from, you'll have to break the law and pass them on the Right.

Then they speed up.

 

I reserve the right to talk sh!t about California - I was born there.

 

Oh, and compare California to Texas as an economic, agricultural, technical and energy state.

You'll be hoping for a San Andreas 'event' to give you an excuse to bow out.

 

The size of California's economy?

Just how healthy is that economy?

They've had economic and revenue issues almost every one of the last thirty years.

Looks pretty bleak out there now....

 

Don't worry, that way of thinking has infected Washington DC like The Plague.

You're no longer alone in fiscal Purgatory, we're all going to hell with you now.

 

California always saw themselves as trendsetters...

 

 

 

You can talk all the Snit you want, It just makes you look like your comfortable with being wrong. The fact that you're wrong and your Blanket Statement are inflamitory and mean spirited, make you look Bitter. And why would you compare Texas' economy toCalifornia when I compared it to Arizona and Wyoming? Texas has a large Economy, too, and it's in pretty bad shape, just like the reast of the country. I guarantee you California will be spearheading us out of this Recession.

 

I have little respect for someone who runs from a problem, I'll stick around and do my part to make My City, My County, My State, and My Country the best possible place I can. You just keep running to another State, maybe they'll take care of you.

:-)

[NeoConMan]

I have little respect for someone who runs from a problem

Me?

I left Kalifornia when I was 8 months old.

 

 

 

 

I'll stick around and do my part to make My City' date=' My County' date=' My State, and My Country the best possible place I can.[/quote'']

So, you haven't lived anywhere else and California is normal for you.....

Good luck with all that 'doing your part' stuff, I'm not sure how effective that is out there.

In Texas and Arizona, I've always been active in the community and have results to show for it.

 

 

 

 

You just keep running to another State' date=' maybe they'll take care of you.

:-) [/quote']

Keep running? Who's running?

I'm lucky, I can live where I want. That's why I moved here.

Coulda been any state in the nation (including yours) but I chose Arizona.

[Homz]

:-

 

I'm almost there just a few more souls and I get a new toaster.

[FirstMeasure]

Well Neo, you're King again....

{Edited for Sanity}