NeoConMan Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Many years ago, I got sick and tired of the all the Hollywood Celebretards spouting off stupid sh!t at awards ceremonies. Wasn't long before the musicians started following suit in the mainstream media. Years ago, when musicians shot their mouth off they were regarded as amusing curiosities by most people. By the nineties, the media began to give them a soapbox to stand on and people starting listening like they were actually hearing something profound. Clinton was on MTV (boxers or briefs) and we had Rock The Vote. FarmAid became Socialist Propaganda worthy of the Soviets, and then came September 11th. I finally made the choice to boycott any of the musicians who used MY record and concert ticket money to take the stage and then do their best to subvert the nation. Many of them, in my opinion and the definition of the law, are guilty of sedition - a few would have been jailed for treason 50 years ago. Jane Fonda changed all that, the Dixie Chicks made her proud I'm sure. Funny story that you will NEVER hear in the media, about 5 years ago Linda Ronstadt was giving a rare concert in Tucson and she started her rant about Bush and the war. Evidently it brought enough applause to make her think it was a good idea to continue.... Well, people started walking out (lotsa military around there) and found the ticket office was still staffed. They started demanding their money back en masse. Yep, that story never made CNN. (Later I met her nephew in a guitar shop in Tucson, I managed to piss him off real good!!!) Just for the record, I don't own a single Toby Keith disc, and only two by Ted Nugent that I bought 20 years ago. What does the political slant of your favorite musicians do for you, does it encourage you to buy their product? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grampa Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger. Not a complete sentence but it says a lot about the power of music in politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 The way I see it, my opinion is just as valid as the next person. Bono's opinion or Ted Nugent's opinion is no more important save for the fact that more people will ultimately know about it. One person, one vote, one opinion, one ticket to Heaven (or not). Nobody is better or worse than the next one. Don't really give a rat's azz how the artists feel. Won't make me buy their music nor will it make me burn their music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowdiddley Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I do pretty much the same as you Neo. If I hear them speaking politics, be it actors or musicians, it's the last time I want to hear them, ever! Needless to say, I don't watch many movies anymore, and there's several musicians that no l onger get played around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky4 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 The Rock the Vote thing is a joke. I remember Dave Mustaine covering the Democrat Convention for MTV. At that time he took so much drugs that he rattled when he walked. R.E.Ms Michael Stipe pushing for Clinton. Let's see...... I like REM.... and Michael Stipe likes Clinton..... so I'll vote for Clinton. Terrifying. No. I don't like politics in my music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstMeasure Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Sounds like you have a harder time seperating your Politics and Music than the Artist you rail against. Speak your mind and go down for treason? That's the reason we Revolted against England, remember? The First Amendment and all that. I have no problem listening to Ted Nugent, and John Wayne is one of my All Time Favorite actors, same with Jimmy Stewart, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with their Politics. My advice to you NeoConMan, and you can tell me to shove it up my Liberal Orifice if you want, is Let It Go, they're just Entertainers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swmcv2007 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I don't like songs that are overtly political. I like when the political meaning behind the song is hidden behind well constructed metaphors so that anyone can enjoy it. The Clash and Elvis Costello both did that very well in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger were artists with passion balanced by reason. Not my cup of tea, I disagreed with much of their stuff, but I'll give 'em their due. Speak your mind and go down for treason? That's the reason we Revolted against England' date=' remember? The First Amendment and all that. [/quote'] Feel free to disagree with me all you want. I expect that here, but you're jumping in the forum to make a big splash then telling me it doesn't matter at all? Either you're blissfully unaware of some of the statements made by some of these acts, or you're an anarchist at heart. Anything goes, eh? Yes, treason. By tying our revolt against England to this and then throwing the First Amendment in for flavor, all I can figure is that you've closed your eyes, held your breath and took five giant steps - only to find yourself on the dark side of the moon. Really stretching there. How do you feel about the Second Amendment? (Right to keep and bear arms) Just a little test question for you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Yeah I always figured once Bono got Ireland all fixed and living in harmony then he could work on the good old U.S.A. Until then shut up. I don't care if an entertainer speaks his mind or gives an opinion but these guys make millions off the good people of this country then tell us how awful we are. I haven't bought a CD of Springsteen, U2, or Mellencamp in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLiveSoundGuy Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 The way I see it' date=' my opinion is just as valid as the next person. Bono's opinion or Ted Nugent's opinion is no more important save for the fact that more people will ultimately know about it. One person, one vote, one opinion, one ticket to Heaven (or not). Nobody is better or worse than the next one. Don't really give a rat's azz how the artists feel. Won't make me buy their music nor will it make me burn their music.[/quote'] =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger. Not a complete sentence but it says a lot about the power of music in politics. Exactly. I thought of Guthrie immediately. Music has always been the voice of the poor, for justice, for equality, for peace, etc. Sometimes the right wing hardassed views on this music site surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 Sometimes the right wing hardassed views on this music site surprise me. Sounds like the entire world is hardass Right-Wing in your perception. Is there ANYBODY to the Left of you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grampa Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 The right to arm bears? That sounds dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callen3615 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Rage against the machine are pretty popular. I like em. But for the record they're socialist, and I dont like socialism. Its never worked, never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstMeasure Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger were artists with passion balanced by reason.Not my cup of tea' date=' I disagreed with much of their stuff, but I'll give 'em their due. Feel free to disagree with me all you want. I expect that here, but you're jumping in the forum to make a big splash then telling me it doesn't matter at all? Either you're blissfully unaware of some of the statements made by some of these acts, or you're an anarchist at heart. Anything goes, eh? Yes, treason. By tying our revolt against England to this and then throwing the First Amendment in for flavor, all I can figure is that you've closed your eyes, held your breath and took five giant steps - only to find yourself on the dark side of the moon. Really stretching there. How do you feel about the Second Amendment? (Right to keep and bear arms) Just a little test question for you.... All you have to do is go back over a couple of the old Gun Thread to find out I think I should be able to legaly own a Barret Light .50 if I want. Of course, Republican Ah-Nold said, No No. I think I should be able to own an "Assault Rifle", but Republican Pete Wilson said No-No. But now, on to the Topic at hand. The First Amendment allows us to say anything we want to, even if it is absolutly against the Conservative Moral Code. You can say the "President is a Criminal", and if you're wrong, you have the right to publicly Embarass yourself. I don't automatically agree with The Dixie Chicks because they're liberal, and I don't dislike Toby Keith because he's a Conservative. I don't like Toby Keith because he's a big Phony Bastard that's banking on Conservative Mid-Staters who will buy his crap because it makes them feel Patriotic, but he delivers monotone vocals with lackluster country chords. No talent. The dixie Chicks Embarrassed themselves by trying to be Bono on a Whim, but at least they can Entertain with Good Vocals and they really play thier instruments. As far as dismissing them as Entertainers with delusions of Grandure, they all are. Ted Nugent, John Wayne, Bono, Sean Penn, Toby Keith and Sheryl Crowe, they may get a crowd and try to give that crowd to turn to their political point of view, and if you can speak your mind and change someone elses, you've just experienced Democracy in Action. (Jane Fonda should have seen the inside of an American Court Room, but that's a different set of Circumstances than Melencamp getting too much Welfare for the American Farmer). I'll take what Karl Rove or Terry Terry McAuliffe say as informed and important, but what Tim McGraw or Billy Armstrong says, who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 So.... We agree? :-) Well stated FM. (Ahnold and Wilson are NOT Republicans. Only in California would they be considered as such.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuckomf Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I think that musicians should play music, and politicians should handle the politics. Once in a while there are issues that need to be brought to public attention, and I think musicians who spend 30 seconds talking to their crowd about topics that aren't all over the news are doing a good thing. I'm not a fan of the people who use their celebrity status to persuade the masses. I've always been told that it's impolite to talk about religion and politics. There are a few other subjects I'd throw in there too, like abortion and gay marriage. When I pay $50 to $100 dollars to hear live music, I'd appreciate it if the musicians would just stick to what they're good at. I went to a Jack Johnson show last summer, and expected to be pummeled with political messages. The only talking he did, though, was the "this song's about..." or "I wrote this one when..." followed by anecdotes that created a better understanding of his songs. All in all, it was a great show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyH Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Music and politics and America are very similar: Both are seldom based on reason, they are mostly based on emotion, and reality has little to do with either. They are two different fantasy worlds. One is a harmless entertainment and the other is a potentially dangerous set of delusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstMeasure Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Hey, we do! :-) Thanks Neo. (Maybe if your party wouldn't abandon California as a Lost Cause, we'd have some real Republicans here, and I wouldn't be so dissilusioned about them. I actually agree with much of what Republicans Stand for, Guns and Small Government, but it's them Not Backing Up their Talk that tuned me off. That and Trickle Down Economics.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djroge1 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I have a tendency to not buy or even listen to musicians once they get on their political soap box. There are a few exceptions - I've always been a nuge fan. But, I have not even listened to my Dixie Chix CD since they pulled their stupid political stunt a few years back. I hate the fact that Michael MacDonald publically backs the democrats though - I like his music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 Maybe if your party wouldn't abandon California as a Lost Cause' date=' we'd have some real Republicans here, and I wouldn't be so dissilusioned about them.[/quote'] Nobody is more pissed about them than me. I tell Liberals all the time "You think YOU'RE pissed of at the Republican party? You have no idea....." Grrrrrr....... Trickle Down Economics.) It won't trickle up, I don't care what the media is telling you. Only the federal gov't would expect water to run uphill, and the New Messiah is gonna prove it - let's see him walk on it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mick Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I like a good song I don't limit myself to only listening to music I agree with 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSG_Standard Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Sounds like you have a harder time seperating your Politics and Music than the Artist you rail against. Speak your mind and go down for treason? That's the reason we Revolted against England' date=' remember? The First Amendment and all that. I have no problem listening to Ted Nugent, and John Wayne is one of my All Time Favorite actors, same with Jimmy Stewart, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with their Politics. My advice to you NeoConMan, and you can tell me to shove it up my Liberal Orifice if you want, is Let It Go, they're just Entertainers.[/quote'] We didn't revolt against England for free speech...it was about taxation without representation...we got free speech as the by product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 Agreeing 100%? Rarely. Listen to the lyrics of just about any good rock song, and certainly country music. I rarely, if ever. do most of those things. Not anymore anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstMeasure Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 It won't trickle up' date=' I don't care what the media is telling you. Only the federal gov't would expect water to run uphill, and the New Messiah is gonna prove it - let's see him walk on it...[/quote'] Money's not water, it's money. It needs to be moving in order to make an economy flourish. The more employers we have in the Middle Class, the more American employees, that happens to keep more money in local Banks (so if the Large banks fail all our revenue isn't in so much jeopardy). It's been proven that while Trickle Down economics sounds good in theory, we can't rely on our Big Corperations to hire Americans. Clinton is responsible for NAFTA, right? But it was Corperate America that Imediatly began outsourcing our industries. Patriotism be damned. So obviously, the top can't be trusted to trickle down to the American Bottom. The Middle Class can't outsource, they usually rely on the community in which they live for their livelihood, so it's in their best interest to feed the American Economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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