rlajack1217 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Trying to decide which to get. A dot or a sheraton. I'm not a professional axe slinger just love sitting the porch and cracking out the blues. I'd really love to have an ES335 but that probably won't happen due to the cost. Unless of course I knock over a bank. So I'm down to chosing between a Dot or a Sheraton and I thought I'd throw it out to you guys. Sorry if this question has been posted before I'm new here and did see it when I searched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRizZ Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 They're both good - I like Sheratons though (well I have one for a start!) as they are an original guitar, not a straight copy of a Gibson. But as I say they are both nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlajack1217 Posted July 1, 2008 Author Share Posted July 1, 2008 I agree and the sheratons are a nicer looking guitar but the dots are cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Fit, finish, "Bling" factor...Sheraton, all the way! Dot's a good guitar, no doubt, but Sheri's are "the Bomb!" CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frpax Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Another vote for the Sheraton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcwillow777 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 I have both. I prefer the slimmer profile of the neck on my Sheraton. Several here have mentioned that the necks on their Sherrys are not slim. In comparison to my Dot, my Sherry neck is much slimmer. It is really a toss up for me. I have a Bigsby on my Dot, but not on my Sheraton. I swapped out the pickups in both and they both have the same pickups, so if they are both sitting out I will have a tendancy to grab the Dot, just cause I love the looks of a cherry Dot with a Bigsby. The Sherry does have more bling, but I prefer chrome/nickel hardware and I wished my Sherry had that. Some day I may change it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 I think you should consider two things right off the bat... the feel of the guitars.. the sheri will be a tad heavier.. the necks will be a bit different.. I've gotten used to my epi lp neck.. but the sheri neck is still my fave and to me the most comfortable to play.. If I had just one, that would count a little more for the sheri.. and tone.. the dot is going to be warmer and the sheri a bit brighter.. the cosmetics are way cool on the sheri but you are going to pay for that! (I got mine on sale.. you could look for used. but that argument hardly holds up since you could get a used dot, too) and one other thing that could be important.. pickup and control swaps in the dot are going to be a lot easier than in the sheri. (I dunno about recent sheris. the samicks, like mine, have smaller f holes and need mini pots.. but mini or not, it's still a fairly hard job compared to doing a dot.) consider the cosmetic importance and cost.. check the guitars for the neck and weight.. think about maybe wanting to change the sound later on.. and then make up your own mind based on the stars, how many mojo bags you can stuff in a volkswagon, which accent madonna has this week, and whether or not you'll get lots of chicks! Right now.. I'd vote for the dot. I love my blondie.. don't get me wrong. but they aren't made in korea anymore and I like the way samick was doing them. The dots I've messed about with at the stores were very nice.. looked good, played good, sounded very nice even dead stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlajack1217 Posted July 1, 2008 Author Share Posted July 1, 2008 Well thanks to all of you for your input. I believe I'm leaning towards a Sheraton but will take Twang advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcwillow777 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Twang is right about switching out the electronics in the Sherry. Mine is a newer one from the Saein Plant in Korea. I was able to get the full sized pots in it, but is was a tigher fit than in my Dot. And reaching the backs of some of the post to hole them while tightening the nuts was a little tricky, but doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRizZ Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Right now.. I'd vote for the dot.I love my blondie.. don't get me wrong. but they aren't made in korea anymore and I like the way samick was doing them. The dots I've messed about with at the stores were very nice.. looked good' date=' played good, sounded very nice even dead stock. [/quote'] That's a point I'd not considered - my Sheraton is a '96 Samick, and as Twang says they are really nice with beautifully slim necks. Out of all my guitars the Sheri has the best feel. Although I disagree on the point about changing out the pots in a Sheri. Mine is an older one with smaller holes and I was able to fit full size CTS pots in with hardly any trouble. You would never tell that the F hole was gently filed (only on the inside edge I might add) to fit them in, and I'd never tried anything like that before. Consensus so far is Sheri... although I have no idea what a Chinese one will be like... but I don't see why it'd be better or worse than the quality of a Chinese Dot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlajack1217 Posted July 1, 2008 Author Share Posted July 1, 2008 Ok so this is probably another silly question but was Epiphone once owned by Samick I've seen acouple of references to a Samick Sheraton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRizZ Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Ok so this is probably another silly question but was Epiphone once owned by Samick I've seen acouple of references to a Samick Sheraton. I am no expert, but I think that Samick is just one of the factories (from when Epiphones were made in Korea) that made guitars for Epiphone and is generally regarded as one of the better ones. But I am sure that others on here will be able to shed more conclusive light on this for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefferySmith Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Well thanks to all of you for your input. I believe I'm leaning towards a Sheraton but will take Twang advice. If you're not going for the Elitist version of either' date=' the prices are similar. I like the looks of the Sheraton over the Dot (the inlays in the fretboard are a plus). I have owned a Gibson ES 335 and an Epiphone Sheraton II Reissue, and I prefer the look and feel of the Sheraton. Have you considered the Casino? [u']THAT[/u] is the hard choice IMHO. I really like the feel of the Casino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefferySmith Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Right now.. I'd vote for the dot. I love my blondie.. don't get me wrong. but they aren't made in korea anymore and I like the way samick was doing them. The dots I've messed about with at the stores were very nice.. looked good' date=' played good, sounded very nice even dead stock. [/quote'] My Dot is from Samick, and it really has a solid, quality feel to it. I am turned off by mahogany necks, and the neck of the Samick Dot is like my old 335. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eor Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 keep in mind the dots have a hog neck and the sheratons have a 5 pc maple neck. or isn't it a maple/hog/m/h/m neck? either way, they aren't the same. you can also go for a dot studio which is even cheaper, but only has 1 vol and 1 tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesstringer Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Another vote for the Sherry from me. Mine is a Samick as well and there is no comparison bet=ween it and the Dots I have had through the years (and not kept). I like the slimmer necks on the Sherry and as stated by CB, the bling. Electronics are a consideration but can be managed. I know I'm prejudiced here, but overall, IMHO, the Sheratons are just nicer playing, looking, and sounding guitars all things considered. I also do like that it is a version of an original Epi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Another vote for the Sherry from me. Mine is a Samick as well and there is no comparison bet=ween it and the Dots I have had through the years (and not kept). I like the slimmer necks on the Sherry and as stated by CB' date=' the bling. Electronics are a consideration but can be managed. I know I'm prejudiced here, but overall, IMHO, the Sheratons are just nicer playing, looking, and sounding guitars all things considered. I also do like that it is a version of an original Epi.[/quote'] Your's is a nice one, John, as I remember! It's the one that used to be in your Avitar, ...a "natural," right? I saw a "Assembled in USA" one, on E-bay, natural with the frequensator! I sure was sorely TEMPTED! Mine is AIUSA, but sunburst and stop tailpiece! Be nice to have a "companion" for her, in "natural," though. Well...."Someday!" CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 the five piece sheri neck was a strong point for me.. the mahog necks bend easier and I tend to stomp around a bit. I'd have to file mine drastically to get full size pots in.. so I think they vary a bit, even from korea. but, for me, it's a moot point.. those alpha minis sound great so who cares? It's just the effort getting stuff in that's easier on the dot. and mine is about 15 years old. this thing has spent years at a time on the stand in my home. Looks brand new until you stick your nose on it. then it's just normal wear. I confess.. I've always wanted a black dot. being decrepit and all, I still think Roy Orbisons guitar looked fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlajack1217 Posted July 2, 2008 Author Share Posted July 2, 2008 Ok so it sounds like from all your input that a Samick Sheraton is what I should be looking for if I buy it used. How do I tell it's a Samick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlajack1217 Posted July 2, 2008 Author Share Posted July 2, 2008 Ok so it sounds like from all your input that a Samick Sheraton is what I should be looking for if I buy it used. How do I tell it's a Samick? Nevermind I believe I've answered my own question. Google's a wonderful thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbirchett Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I went through the same decision process recently. I looked a lot at the Dot Deluxe models that had a flamed maple veneer on the body, some had block inlays and some had gold hardware. What it came down to for me is that for me, however nice they were, the Dots were basically a copy of a Gibson 335 and just looked wrong. That headstock and the unbound neck bothered me on the 335. The Sheraton was an Epiphone model and, while there are differences between the current II model and the old ones that I saw back in the '60s, there wasn't the anachronistic mental conflict for me. I had the same issue with an '80 Deluxe Reverb that had the second generation blackface plate. It just looked wrong so I put one of the reissue plates on it. Not that I wanted people to think that it was a '60s model but it just looked wrong to me! On the other hand, I quickly changed out the pickguard on my Sheraton for a Black 335 style. Oh well, as Emerson said, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds ... " Also, don't be hung up on the Samick models. They are great but there is nothing wrong with my Unsung or with the Peerless ones either. I understand that some of the Samick models used non-standard sized parts as well. Great guitars tho'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabar Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 JRizZ said: I am no expert, but I think that Samick is just one of the factories (from when Epiphones were made in Korea) that made guitars for Epiphone and is generally regarded as one of the better ones. But I am sure that others on here will be able to shed more conclusive light on this for you! Right you are --- all my Epiphones were made by either the Samick or Peerless factories in Korea, and they are all exceptionally good. When Epiphone first moved their manufacturing from Japan to Korea in the early 80's, I believe Samick was the sole factory, with others added later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesstringer Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Your's is a nice one' date=' John, as I remember! It's the one that used to be in your Avitar, ...a "natural," right? I saw a "Assembled in USA" one, on E-bay, natural with the frequensator! I sure was sorely TEMPTED! Mine is AIUSA, but sunburst and stop tailpiece! Be nice to have a "companion" for her, in "natural," though. Well...."Someday!" CB[/quote'] Thanks, CB. Yeah, mine is a "blondie" like Twang's. It's funny that you mentioned it but I would love to have a VS companion to mine. I would also like it to have the frequensator though. Agh well, whn I hit the numbers ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesstringer Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Ok so it sounds like from all your input that a Samick Sheraton is what I should be looking for if I buy it used. How do I tell it's a Samick? I don't think that's necessarily what we're saying. I can'ts tell you much about the Sherry's made in the other factories as i have not owned them or checked other ones I've played to see where they were made. I just know i would not not part with my Samick Sheraton ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlajack1217 Posted July 2, 2008 Author Share Posted July 2, 2008 I don't think that's necessarily what we're saying. I can'ts tell you much about the Sherry's made in the other factories as i have not owned them or checked other ones I've played to see where they were made. I just know i would not not part with my Samick Sheraton ! Gottcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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