midiman56 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Theres a smell of overreacting on this forum... Ya think? I dunno, I guess I should just keep my thoughts to myself ... but I'm constantly amazed how a guy can come on this forum, regardless of his background, education, experience, etc ... and presume to tell a company that's been around since the 1890's how to do business! Why is just voting with your wallet never enough for some guys? If Gison/Epiphone turns out some stinko guitar that you don't like ... DON'T BUY THE FLIPPIN' THING! ... They'll get the idea pretty quick. So far, it seems like they're doing okay to me. Do you think that if Gibson starts to fail that they're going to get some government bail-out to stay in business? No ... a guitar company has to live by its wits and try to anticipate what the public wants and will buy ... all while keeping costs and prices down and quality up. Let's face it, as Epiphone players we all want perfect guitars ... and we want them cheap! Suggestions are one thing ... and I think Epiphone would be foolish to ignore the group of avid players in this forum completely, but this nonsence of crying, "Gibson doesn't care about their customers!" every time we don't get precisely what we want is just silly. Of course they care ... they are in the business of SELLING GUITARS! Hungry/Angry/Petulant Cat ... I'm sorry that stomping off to another sandbox is your answer. For someone that seems so intent on having his opinions heard, you sure don't seem to take hearing other's too well. I hope they appreciate you over at Carvin ... or wherever you end up. Sorry if I ruffeled any other feathers in here ... I guess I have opinions too. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggs Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 +1 Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANGRYCAT Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Theres a smell of overreacting on this forum... Perhaps I did. I felt I was ignored (and you cannot deny that I was ignored, whatever the reason.) And I was angry, it's in my user-name, after all. But it was Midiman's responses that really got me. I didn't say anything to him at all to provoke him at all, I was calling out Jim R. Midi's comments what prompted my "withdrawal" from the forum. I mean, If that's how you guys feel about me I will not hang around and turn into a 'Cheeks' type of member. I'm opinionated and angry, but when nobody likes you, it's time to leave. I remember when people called this place the nicest forum on the net. Things are really gonna have to change for the better before I'll consider coming back. I'll take my ban like a man starting now. Well, there goes one of the handful of people I see eye-to-eye with on this forum anymore. That really means a lot to me man. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggs Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Perhaps I did. I felt I was ignored (and you cannot deny that I was ignored, whatever the reason.) And I was angry, it's in my user-name, after all. But it was Midiman's responses that really got me. I didn't say anything to him at all to provoke him at all, I was calling out Jim R. Midi's comments what prompted my "withdrawal" from the forum. I mean, If that's how you guys feel about me I will not hang around and turn into a 'Cheeks' type of member. I'm opinionated and angry, but when nobody likes you, it's time to leave. I remember when people called this place the nicest forum on the net. Things are really gonna have to change for the better before I'll consider coming back. I'll take my ban like a man starting now. That really means a lot to me man. Thank you. HC, You make a great contribution to this forum but, c'mon man, Jim (Midi) is really just stating obvious commercial sense here... Jim (Epi1) is not gonna walk into an ambush review (positive or negative) about another company's geet. That would just be dumb. Hang in here cause , if for no other reason, you still owe us a 'rant' about short scale basses! Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjael Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 -snip- Jim Hungrycat didn't need to heckle Jim-Epi. You don't need to back-seat moderate him either. Just saying, you could save a lot of time and effort by not getting so worked up about a comment one person makes to another that never involved you in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggs Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 My daughter just pointed out that it was a Full Moon last night (no reference to Mr Moon intended there). Perhaps we all just need to chill a little around this time of month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggs Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 LOL... but NAH, we love a bit of 'drama' on our forum... Just gotta ensure we kick in the 'respect effect' before taking our solos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midiman56 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Hungrycat didn't need to heckle Jim-Epi. You don't need to back-seat moderate him either. Just saying, you could save a lot of time and effort by not getting so worked up about a comment one person makes to another that never involved you in the first place. Why is it that only opinions putting Epiphone down are valid on here, Sajael? I was not moderating (blank)Cat here in any way, shape, or form ... just offering MY slant on the subject. You don't see me packing my bags and leaving because, "Nobody likes me!". If being a "Friendly Forum" means means never having (or expressing) a differing opinion, then maybe we won't be so "friendly" after all. Also, if the "comment one person makes to another that never involved you in the first place" were so private, maybe it should have been shared in a PM rather than out in the open for all to see. The way it was shared, it DID involve me as a member of this forum ... and prompted a response. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjael Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Why is it that only opinions putting Epiphone down are valid on here, Sajael? I don't know, Midaiman. Personally, that is something I have never experienced (here,) nor advocated. I was not moderating (blank)Cat here in any way, shape, or form ... just offering MY slant on the subject. You don't see me packing my bags and leaving because, "Nobody likes me!". I said back-seat moderating. You directed an angry rant at Hungrycat for expressing his opinion. <_< If being a "Friendly Forum" means means never having (or expressing) a differing opinion, then maybe we won't be so "friendly" after all. Also, if the "comment one person makes to another that never involved you in the first place" were so private, maybe it should have been shared in a PM rather than out in the open for all to see. The way it was shared, it DID involve me as a member of this forum ... and prompted a response. Jim Stop being paranoid. I made a simple suggestion, and even added an emoticon so that you would realise I wasn't trying to offend you. Let me get one thing straight; I don't condone rand()Cat's comments in any way - I know that that's the one guaranteed ticket to ban-city on any forum. I never told you not to express your opinion, I merely suggested you might save some time by not writing angry paragraphs about someone else's. This is the internet, remember; it's not worth getting upset over what someone you will never meet says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC59 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 I remember when people called this place the nicest forum on the net. Things are really gonna have to change for the better before I'll consider coming back. I'll take my ban like a man starting now. This IS the nicest forum on the net. This one thread deteriorating into near temper tantrums doesn't change that. Now if this becomes a pattern....that's another thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhead Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Well, it's been an interesting read, although it has gotten WAAAAAAY off base! But a good read none the less! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matiac Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I dig this forum, and I don't even own an Epiphone (any more =( ), I've always thought in the I-don't-know-how-many-years I've been here, there's always been a great bunch of people here who all have opinions that are expressed on a public forum...like Jim said, "for all to see". This thread has absolutely NOTHING to do with me, but it was there to read, so I read. And now I'm expressing my opinion, which is, I don't give a rat's a$$ what it's made of, if I hit the strings, and they make a noise that's pleasing TO ME, then it was money well spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggs Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I dig this forum, and I don't even own an Epiphone (any more =( ), I've always thought in the I-don't-know-how-many-years I've been here, there's always been a great bunch of people here who all have opinions that are expressed on a public forum...like Jim said, "for all to see". This thread has absolutely NOTHING to do with me, but it was there to read, so I read. And now I'm expressing my opinion, which is, I don't give a rat's a$$ what it's made of, if I hit the strings, and they make a noise that's pleasing TO ME, then it was money well spent. +1 Mat... 'cause that IS the whole story right there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axuality Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Are the Epiphone Les Paul Standards made of plywood also? I'm thinking of buying a goldtop for $499, but I thought LPs were separate blocks of wood instead of plywood. Anybody know? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fringe Lunatic Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Wow! What an incredibly weird thread, yet another senseless temper tantrum about why Epiphone doesn't make the guitar the way I want it made. While I agree on many common complaints (quality of electronics, etc.), I don't expect the company to do anything about it. And they haven't. In the 3 years I've watched this forum, despite all the complaints that have been posted, Epiphone guitars continue to be made pretty much the same way. But, there are myriad choices for guitars out there, many as good or better than Epiphone at a given price point. Perhaps the double-neck is something that few others make, but I can't for the life of me understand why the hell anybody would want one in the first place? If a given Epiphone isn't what you want it to be, don't buy it! Buy something else. Remember, Epiphones are really cheap Gibson copies, nothing more, nothing less. Would I buy another Epiphone guitar? Probably not, although I do feel that a few models offer tremendous value for the price. There are many Asian-made guitars out there, some good, some not so good. But I really like that I have choices. So do you. Are the Epiphone Les Paul Standards made of plywood also? I'm thinking of buying a goldtop for $499, but I thought LPs were separate blocks of wood instead of plywood. Anybody know? Thanks. And here is an example of the choices that are out there: http://www.rondomusic.com/al3010gold.html Has an ebony fingerboard, real abalone inlays, GraphTech nut, better electronics, and is $110 cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinTheHood Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Maybe we'd all be happy if they started making the 1275 out of basswood or agathis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karine_plays Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Remember, Epiphones are really cheap Gibson copies, nothing more, nothing less. I do have to correct you here ... Epiphone was a company that existed on its own at one point. Gibson bought Epiphone. While they do produce quite a few Gibson copies under the name Epiphone, there are also some guitar models which are unique to Epiphone, thus they are "something more". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I do have to correct you here ... Epiphone was a company that existed on its own at one point. Gibson bought Epiphone. While they do produce quite a few Gibson copies under the name Epiphone, there are also some guitar models which are unique to Epiphone, thus they are "something more". +1 I love it when people say the "they're just cheap Gibson copies" thing. Makes my skin crawl. People should buy whatever they want, at least get the facts straight first though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fringe Lunatic Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Okay, I stand corrected. Epiphones are cheap Asian copies of Gibsons AND cheap copies of old USA-made Epiphones. A la Seinfeld, not that there's anything wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaSTuS Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Wow! What an incredibly weird thread, yet another senseless temper tantrum about why Epiphone doesn't make the guitar the way I want it made. While I agree on many common complaints (quality of electronics, etc.), I don't expect the company to do anything about it. And they haven't. In the 3 years I've watched this forum, despite all the complaints that have been posted, Epiphone guitars continue to be made pretty much the same way. But, there are myriad choices for guitars out there, many as good or better than Epiphone at a given price point. Perhaps the double-neck is something that few others make, but I can't for the life of me understand why the hell anybody would want one in the first place? If a given Epiphone isn't what you want it to be, don't buy it! Buy something else. Remember, Epiphones are really cheap Gibson copies, nothing more, nothing less. Would I buy another Epiphone guitar? Probably not, although I do feel that a few models offer tremendous value for the price. There are many Asian-made guitars out there, some good, some not so good. But I really like that I have choices. So do you. And here is an example of the choices that are out there: http://www.rondomusi...al3010gold.html Has an ebony fingerboard, real abalone inlays, GraphTech nut, better electronics, and is $110 cheaper. You say that Epiphones are really cheap Gibson copies, then go to point out a very well appointed Agile that is $110 cheaper, wouldn't that make the Agile a really cheap copy, not the Epiphone. While many of Epiphone's models are based on Gibson's, they certainly aren't really cheap (or just plain cheap for that matter), as you yourself pointed out there are far cheaper alternatives. Good to see you are evolving though, in the course of three weeks you've gone from "don't drink the pots/switches cool-aid" (paraphrased), to last week's they are worth upgrading for reliability reasons, to now agreeing that they are poor quality electronics. Talk about a moving target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fringe Lunatic Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 You say that Epiphones are really cheap Gibson copies, then go to point out a very well appointed Agile that is $110 cheaper, wouldn't that make the Agile a really cheap copy, not the Epiphone. While many of Epiphone's models are based on Gibson's, they certainly aren't really cheap (or just plain cheap for that matter), as you yourself pointed out there are far cheaper alternatives. Good to see you are evolving though, in the course of three weeks you've gone from "don't drink the pots/switches cool-aid" (paraphrased), to last week's they are worth upgrading for reliability reasons, to now agreeing that they are poor quality electronics. Talk about a moving target. Perhaps "less expensive" would have been clearer to you than "cheaper" As for the last paragraph: The Kool-Aid position is in disagreement that replacing those components will improve the overall tone of the guitar, and did not state one way or another my opinion about their overall quality or reliability, which is questionable. "Moving target", or open-minded? I know better than to dig my heels in, because there's always something new to be learned. Epiphone, Agile, Washburn, Jay Turser, etc. are all after the same market segment, although the Gibson company has the marketing advantage of owning the Epiphone name. And that's all it is, just a name, and you pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaSTuS Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 and did not state one way or another my opinion about their overall quality or reliability, which is questionable. It must have been an impostor who, on 14 Jan wrote "Some members may recommend that you replace the innards with CTS parts. It's not a bad idea for reliability reasons" in this post: http://forum.gibson....post__p__835414 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fringe Lunatic Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It must have been an impostor who, on 14 Jan wrote "Some members may recommend that you replace the innards with CTS parts. It's not a bad idea for reliability reasons" in this post: http://forum.gibson....post__p__835414 OMG! I've been caught! Oh, the shame. The humiliation. I don't know if I can live with myself. Go back to your sandbox, kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaSTuS Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 And this "If changing the pots, switch and jack is done for reliability and somewhat more precise tone/volume control, I can see that" in this thread: http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/61516-casino-electronics-upgrade/page__view__findpost__p__833400 Seems you don't even remember your own musings as well as some others, the onset of senility is only a short walk for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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